Orkeosaurus
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It's going to be a backhoe job at the least.
💰 Grifter Boogie / Boogie2988 / "Francis" / Steven Jason Williams - Fat, Rapidly Declining Divorced "Nice Guy" Middle-Aged Youtuber, Former Edgy Porn Blogger, lied about having cancer and being molested. Cohost of fake drama show "Lolcow Live (LCL)". Just WILL NOT die.
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Shugo
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Cake or not, imagine this guy's mindset where he's thinking about the future after this surgery, he's thinking about changing his whole life for the better, he's thinking about living for 10 or 20 or 30 more birthdays after he loses all this weight after surgery.
What does he start fantasizing about? His next birthday cake. Not living to see another birthday, or celebrating his birthday again with his dear friends, but the cake for his birthday.
BugOut
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I'd put money on Boogie already popping pain pills at this point. For years now, in fact.
A man at his size is likely taking opiates daily for chronic pain. Chronic pain comes with the territory of weighing 500+ at age 40. He's probably on those, something for sleep, maybe something for anxiety, and an anti-depressant too. Combine these with food addiction and you have a man who really needs to look himself in the mirror, if he wants to see any improvement in his life. Regardless of money, fame, or social support networks - it's an uphill battle.
He'll be lucky to get through the surgery, reign-in his medications, start exercising and repairing the 40 years of damage he's done to his body and endocrine system. Forge healthy habits and hobbies etc. All while maintaining a viewer base. It's not impossible.
The easier route is to just "own" it - live fat and die fat.
But if I had to bet on Boogie in 5 years:
A man at his size is likely taking opiates daily for chronic pain. Chronic pain comes with the territory of weighing 500+ at age 40. He's probably on those, something for sleep, maybe something for anxiety, and an anti-depressant too. Combine these with food addiction and you have a man who really needs to look himself in the mirror, if he wants to see any improvement in his life. Regardless of money, fame, or social support networks - it's an uphill battle.
He'll be lucky to get through the surgery, reign-in his medications, start exercising and repairing the 40 years of damage he's done to his body and endocrine system. Forge healthy habits and hobbies etc. All while maintaining a viewer base. It's not impossible.
The easier route is to just "own" it - live fat and die fat.
But if I had to bet on Boogie in 5 years:
- Still has half his audience of fawning devotees.
- Weighs 300 lbs, and is slowly gaining weight.
- Wife has left him for greener pastures, with a good chunk of change. But he'll play it off as 'mutual.'
- Still plays games (terribly! nobody ever mentions it, but god damn, he is awful at gaming...), streams, and plays "nice guy" but the facade has worn thin, and he's much grumpier on camera than currently/in the past.
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Think off it this way: if he insults you, then dies of heart failure before you can retort, that means he got the last laugh you sucker.
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Before anyone accuses anyone of lying, here's what I see as the more likely scenario. I think the above scenario where the surgeon wants another cardiologist consult is what's going on. Remember 500 lbs is the threshold for doing the surgery. After working hard he just made it to borderline case. Something he likely doesn't quite grasp. In his mind he made it. In his doctors mind he has just barely reached marginal or borderline status. That doctor is going to be very very conservative about this. The slightest blip in pre surgical testing will require someone else to sign off. So if he threw a slight arythmia during his EKG, back to the cardiologist he goes. Granted it could just be from his insane diet of the past few weeks. They want to make sure there isn't a blockage or anything persistent going on there. This is fairly normal. Surgery gets postponed due to this every day. The surgeon is in a tough place with Boogie. At this point without intervention his long and medium term prognosis is poor. So it's probably do the surgery or watch him die. But no surgeon wants him dying on his table, or as an aftereffect. That tends to be bad for business. Bariatric Surgery has an incredibly high after surgery fatality rate. It is far and away the most dangerous elective procedure in modern medicine.
The problem is the patients, often much like Boogie here, have unrealistic expectations. They are often psychologically troubled and tend to fixate on the short term goals without fully processing the larger goals requirements or process. In this case "I get below 500lbs and I get the surgery" somehow misses that that is the minimum threshold, and a bunch of other things need to line up to even consider that still extreme risk. It's not "it's safe to do surgery at 500 and below!" It's "doing it at or above 500 is almost certain negative outcome (death)". For the stress eater/food addict they are pretty clearly wired for immediate satisfaction or relief. Hence the tantrums when they bump up against these little caveats. Hopefully he has the good sense to stick with his doctor and continue on plan. Too many snowflakes start doctor shopping at this point, looking for one that is willing to try. Often selectively editing pieces of their medical history to encourage this. It's never a good thing.
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You guys got it wrong, no digging is needed, they'll just lay him on the dirt and he'll sink in on his own. Checkmate, physics.
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He's mentioned on his channel that he's a terrible person, but his fans don't like him being himself on streams vs. his YT uploads. He blamed his fans for him being a "nice guy", when he knows that the illusion being broken to the masses would affect his wallet.
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Inb4 "I was HACKED" video(uberwolf0 is boogie's reddit account)
>"Go fuck yourself and kill yourself!"
>"People forget i browse 4chan for decades!"
This man is 42 years old
Orkeosaurus
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I think it's worth mentioning the "cum in their mothers' pussy" refers to 13 year olds at the oldest, considering 4chan is 2004. Not a very responsible way to talk about his underage fans.(uberwolf0 is boogie's reddit account)
>"Go fuck yourself and kill yourself!
>"People forget i browse 4chan for decades!"
This man is 42 years old
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I always thought they should take a page from Winnie the Pooh and lock them up in a room with a tiny door for an exit and they don't get to go out until they can fit through it.
Fatties always say this bullshit, like they're somehow in some magical lard singularity where their body just spontaneously creates mountains of fat out of nothing.
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Boogie reveals the truth about himself because he knows he's laid enough groundwork that his fans will think he's joking or being self-deprecating. Maya Angelou said that when a person tells you who he is, believe him. Boogie indeed is not a nice person.
If you've ever dealt with a person with weight issues like Boogie, you learn very quickly that they are, under all the jovial, jolly, fat person bullshit, vicious to their very core. Deprive a fat person of food and you will find yourself on the receiving end of either a victim-fueled whine fest or the punching bag for extremely cruel but ultimately impotent fury. Boogie, if he has been following the liquid diet, is no longer able to medicate away his personality deficiencies with food. He no longer able to numb out. As this process stretches on into the August, he will become progressively angrier and nastier.
He'll post "I'm soooo sowwy for being mean" videos and his dopier fans will sop it up because they have no experience with food addicts or because they are similar addicts themselves and don't want to confront their own failures if they point out Boogie's. But make no mistake - Boogie is a foul and miserable man. His liquid diet is likely breaking his wife's will to live. He cries on camera but he screams when it's turned off and all those screams are directed at her. There is a reason so many relationships break up after WLS. Sometimes it's because the healthy partner had a vested interest in keeping their spouse fat for power, control or sexual reasons. Sometimes it's because they see their fat partner for who he is, finally - a rage-filled little boy who finds no depth too low to sink when venting anger and frustration.
Boogie's weight loss may be the end of his career if he doesn't get intensive therapy to deal with his anger or if he cannot control himself online.
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He's said in the past that he's not allowed opioid/narcotic painkillers due to his food addiction, even shown off the jug of ibuprofen he has to take for his chronic back issues instead.
If he's paying out of pocket for the surgery, isn't it more a matter of finding a doctor willing to operate rather than satisfying the requirements of the current one?
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eequalsmc2
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The end looks inevitable, doesn't it? I find it amusing that the trajectory of most YouTube "celebs" and lolcaws follow the path of Greek tragedy: transcedent rises followed by swift downfalls, often as a result of their own hubris and flaws. I think it's especially ironic for Boogie because so much of his persona is due to his obesity, which is physically/mentally killing him but at the same time socially/finacially supporting him. His Francis character is funny because he's fat idiot. He is a "unqiue" YouTube star because of his weight, and people are genuinely and morbidly curious at seeing a 500 pound man survive.
Deep down, I think he knows that if he does become skinny - or even become your typical average overweight nerd - then it means the end of his YouTube career, because he'll lose his appeal to the audience.
It will be interesting to see how he handles post-surgery, especially if he is able to recover. Not once did I hear him say what his plans are for post-surgey, which is vital for a process as impactful as Gastric Bypass. He's gonna have a rude awakening when he finds out that it's actually much harder to lose weight with the surgery than without.
Exactly this. In his first announcment video I vividly remember him saying that he was finally able to "convince" a surgeon to operate on him. In a sense, he's been traveling around from one site to another until someone told him what he wants to hear.
At the same time, Boogie's such a delicate case that I think even the most agreeable of Doctors will get cold feet on surgery day. As many others have said, you don't want to operate on a 500 pound man period, especially with one of the most riskiest procedures today. Hospitals and Doctors are businesses too, and they analyze risk-reward models just as companies do with their products. A patient like Boogie is especially hard to take on as a case, especially since it's way too easy for him to die in operation.
Ultimately, I believe that for a doctor to agree to do Gastric Bypass on Boogie the reward (aka how much Boogie is paying) must outweight all these factors. Hell, they might have even forced Boogie to withold insurance and take no liability if he dies on the table. Now would you still trust the kind of Doctors who agree to this type of thinking?
Deep down, I think he knows that if he does become skinny - or even become your typical average overweight nerd - then it means the end of his YouTube career, because he'll lose his appeal to the audience.
It will be interesting to see how he handles post-surgery, especially if he is able to recover. Not once did I hear him say what his plans are for post-surgey, which is vital for a process as impactful as Gastric Bypass. He's gonna have a rude awakening when he finds out that it's actually much harder to lose weight with the surgery than without.
Exactly this. In his first announcment video I vividly remember him saying that he was finally able to "convince" a surgeon to operate on him. In a sense, he's been traveling around from one site to another until someone told him what he wants to hear.
At the same time, Boogie's such a delicate case that I think even the most agreeable of Doctors will get cold feet on surgery day. As many others have said, you don't want to operate on a 500 pound man period, especially with one of the most riskiest procedures today. Hospitals and Doctors are businesses too, and they analyze risk-reward models just as companies do with their products. A patient like Boogie is especially hard to take on as a case, especially since it's way too easy for him to die in operation.
Ultimately, I believe that for a doctor to agree to do Gastric Bypass on Boogie the reward (aka how much Boogie is paying) must outweight all these factors. Hell, they might have even forced Boogie to withold insurance and take no liability if he dies on the table. Now would you still trust the kind of Doctors who agree to this type of thinking?
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He's likely not paying out of pocket. At least not if he has any insurance. he is far enough over the thresholds of normalcy that it would be considered a "medical" issue and not simply an elective procedure. Wasn't that part of his ranting regarding Trump and Obamacare recently? If the ACA falls he might lose his guaranteed pre-existing conditions coverage? Many insurance plans will cover bariatric surgery because long term it is cheaper than the steady deterioration and co-morbid medical issues of the morbidly obese. Think of it this way. No insurance plan will pay for a Boob Job. That's purely elective. But no insurance plan will Not pay for reconstruction following breast cancer. It's a mater of medical need.
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He said on stream that the current doctor gave him a better price, I think ~$20k, because he was paying out of pocket. I assumed that's why he got so upset at the "pay for my healthcare" meme. Not positive though.
BlueSpark
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Someone on the Sam and Tolki subreddit (a gossip/meme subreddit for talking about speedrunners/internet personalities) proves Boogie is lying about his weight loss:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SamandTolki/comments/6pmwm7/fact_checking_boogie/
Also, here's another thread you guys might be interested in (it's a few days old) talking about Boogie taking down videos that show discrepancies in the weird excuses he made about that drama with his wife:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SamandTolki/comments/6odq1i/boogie2988s_separation_stream/
The thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SamandTolki/comments/6pmwm7/fact_checking_boogie/
Also, here's another thread you guys might be interested in (it's a few days old) talking about Boogie taking down videos that show discrepancies in the weird excuses he made about that drama with his wife:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SamandTolki/comments/6odq1i/boogie2988s_separation_stream/
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Interesting...
If Boogie indeed is paying out of pocket, one wonders why. He has insurance. One reason someone would pay out of pocket when insurance could cover it is because insurance companies make a lot of demands on bariatric patients before approving them for surgery. They must attend sessions with a dietician, group therapy to learn new coping mechanisms, physical therapy to get them moving again and they must lose a certain amount of weight before the surgery, and that's in addition to any demands the doctors have. Paying out of pocket permits Boogie to avoid the requirements of insurance patients.
I also cannot believe he cost-compared. This is not a car purchase.
Orkeosaurus
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I don't think he really has any gravity of the surgery either, considering he's talking about going on vacation right after and whining about missing burgers.
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Having insurance doesn't always mean it's the best price, but it can help dramatically. Hospitals themselves have huge range of prices based on everything from what they feel their value is, to how much the surgeons get paid, to how much the contracted price of instruments and implants they buy are. The cost for a total hip, for example, can fluctuate sometimes $30k or more in cost between hospitals within 20 miles of each other. The caveat there is that one hospital might only be on an Anthem network, the other might only be on Humana's, so you could be stuck with a hospital with a much higher cost for any procedure because your current plan is only accepted there.
Doctors do often offer discounts for out of pocket, though. It depends on his doctor though. If this surgeon is hospital staff at a big chain, then there's no way you're getting an OOP discount. If the guy owns his own practice and has admitting privilegs at multiple hospitals, or if he owns / works in his own surgery center, than he certainly could. Not taking insurance means they don't have to file for insurance, which means he either saves all the time filing for the payment and waiting for and refiling when it gets fucked up or denied for wrong codes.
Because he's so obese, Boogie's insurance might have an astronomical limit before he'd hit his OOP maximum for the year so 20k in a payment plan might actually be the cheaper option for him in the long run.[/quote][/QUOTE]