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Well shit. Good thing I never upgrade the firmware on my P1S, but I better find a link or torrent for Orcaslicer before it's too late it seems.

Edit: Still available to download from their github and their website
 
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What other alternatives do I have to Bambu for something that just works out of the box but is not run by the MSS.
 
You'd almost appreciate getting into 3D printing on the janky crap that either forced you to git gud or filtered you out to the point you'd be capable of DIY'ing a Voron or something totally new if needed rather than starting off straight into Bambu's ecosystem and never even developing basic troubleshooting skills.
I was trying to help someone a few weeks back with a print issue on their A1 and after months of use on that printer they had legitimately no clue what a slicer even was, they only ever used their phone to print.

It's quite sad that the number of "capable" people in 3D printing is on a downward slope, and that those who were recommended Bambu as a "just werks" machine get more and more raped as time goes on, not less. It's like watching marlin to Klipper but in reverse for Bambu, you lose improvements over time not gain them.

If I ever had to buy/make a new printer it's comforting that there are still people coming up with weird ideas like these
There was another video with a guy who riveted a frame together from aluminium profile but I can't find it because YouTube search sucks balls
 
You're MDNWU said:
Well shit. Good thing I never upgrade the firmware on my P1S, but I better find a link or torrent for Orcaslicer before it's too late it seems.

Edit: Still available to download from their github and their website
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The base OrcaSlicer fork is still up and fully compatible with Bambu printers on LAN mode (for me). The fork that was taken down impersonated the user agent string of Bambu Studio so the user could remotely connect through Bambu's cloud servers, but I am not sure on the specifics (Citation needed).
The LAN version of Orca has worked well for me, especially after the recent updates (full access to auto pressure advance tuning, motion control, heaters, camera, start and stop, filament management for AMS and a few others) and just requires toggling an "enable developer mode" setting in the printer UI.

The offending code that made the bugmen mad:
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Bambu's Official Response - "Setting the record straight on Cloud Access and Community":
https://blog.bambulab.com/setting-the-record-straight-on-cloud-access-and-community/

Smoke Manmuscle said:
What other alternatives do I have to Bambu for something that just works out of the box but is not run by the MSS.
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Honestly its slim pickings. Think of what kind of things you are going to make and the features you absolutely need (good multimaterial, enclosed chamber, is the nozzle common?, can it print engineering filaments). Then either find an off the shelf Chinese unit that runs Klipper internally, settle for a Prusa core one at twice the cost and half the features or consider a kit printer (they aren't too hard if you find someone to make the ABS parts and buy a complete component kit).
I can't think of any specific, up to date recommendations as its a case of "fuck you, i've already got mine" but I wish you the best of luck in your search.
 
I want something that works out of the box because I have worked with everything from the basic bitch printers all the way up to million dollar SLM printers for exotic metals. I have a home machine shop and am looking at it as another tool to expand what I can do. I don’t want to spend 6 months of fighting before I can print as I don’t get much time in the shop as it is.

Printing engineering materials and enclosed are my 2 big ones. Looked at a snapmaker as the laser and small CNC head seems like it would have potential but they are not required.
 
Molokroid said:
You vill print only ze 3D models you download from their website (that requires an activated account) using their slicer software in their own white-labeled RFID tagged filament
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It's not that bad yet, I use third party stls and my own filament all the time.

BotulismSandwich said:
It's quite sad that the number of "capable" people in 3D printing is on a downward slope, and that those who were recommended Bambu as a "just werks" machine get more and more raped as time goes on, not less. It's like watching marlin to Klipper but in reverse for Bambu, you lose improvements over time not gain them.
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And all these just werks people are printing articulated dragons to sell at craft fairs.

CaptainAutism69 said:
Sold my P1S today, bought a H2C. Bambu may be chink slop, but it just works and is cheaper than Prusa sooooo....
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I wanted a H2C but there's a few things stopping me:

1. Cannot mix and match nozzles. I can't print a wall at .2 and the infill at .6. this is not unique to the H2C, all off the shelf multiple toolhead cannot do this.
2. Vortek takes about 40 seconds per change of nozzle due to various factors. They brag about how it only takes 8 seconds for the nozzle to heat up but why should I care if it takes 32 seconds for the filament to arrive from the AMS? That being said, looks like the H2C is the only semi multiple toolhead printer that can handle more than 4 colors.
3. Rapidly developing market. Snapmaker got to market first and Bambu played catch up, Flashforge and Sovol are both releasing multiple toolhead printers soon.

I'm looking at the Eufymake E1 now which is a weird sort of resin 2.5d printer.
 
Ordovický said:
Only reason I have bought core one is that their factory is like 5 km away from my home. I should have bought something different.
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When I was looking at my first printer, I went to their place, thought I could just buy one and walk out...nope...10 day wait for shipping. OK. Then I went home and saw I could buy a P1S for less than the basic MK 4, and it had the AMS, enclosure, camera and light, all of which were optional extras for the Prusa. And I don't have to build the bloody thing and eat Haribo.
So yea, not into Prusa.
 
I currently have a Creality K2plus and a Prusa Core One. I got the Creality filament switcher(CFS) but never installed it, between poor OrcaSlicer support and the twichy filament roll-back system. Then when I got the Core One I had the INDX discount, but I'm not likely to spend $1000 on it. I'm waiting for my next printer for an INDX or INDX-style system when I upgrade the "big" printer. Currently Voron, Prusa(which is getting less Open-Source by day) or Sovol(which I guess is just Creality wearing an Open-Source hat).
But for now they both serve their purpose, fully disconnected printing where it melts plastic and makes it into shapes.
 
For plug and play machines, in order of my own personal experience and overall reliability:
  • Prusa
  • Sovol
  • Qidi
  • Snapmaker U1
I've heard positive things about the modern Creality coreXY but I've never really been a fan. Otherwise, get a secondhand X1 Carbon and load X1 Plus onto it.

If you want to build your own then it expands quite a bit. With some of the recent bills and proposals in the US it might be worthwhile considering building your own. Voron is great, Rat Rig is expensive but seems really reliable (and I love their cable management), and VzBot has a cult around it. The nice part about the kit printers is you can always add things like a chamber heater if you decide you need it at a later date. The Qidi Plus4 chamber heater is extremely easy to wire into an existing Voron.
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
When I was looking at my first printer, I went to their place, thought I could just buy one and walk out...nope...10 day wait for shipping. OK. Then I went home and saw I could buy a P1S for less than the basic MK 4, and it had the AMS, enclosure, camera and light, all of which were optional extras for the Prusa. And I don't have to build the bloody thing and eat Haribo.
So yea, not into Prusa.
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Building that printer was far worse expirience then i expected. And I got 3 broken parts in the box and had to way another month.
 
Molokroid said:
I honestly do not think Bambu will give an inch on this issue as opening their machines to 3rd parties is antithetical to everything they have done so far.
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Part of the issue is that
Ordovický said:
Building that printer was far worse expirience then i expected. And I got 3 broken parts in the box and had to way another month.
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LDO/Sovol are better but not great, sometimes they still fuck up the aluminum frame/rail. But the current pricing is not great imho. AT this point I'd rather just grab a cnc router and make my own.
 
Battlefield42 said:
Louis did the Louis thing
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1jhRqgHxEP8https://github.com/FULU-Foundation/OrcaSlicer-bambulab
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The original title was more direct. "Hey Bambu Lab: come sue us". From my listening to MATI and Josh's legal battles, asking someone to sue you is not always in your best interests but Louis more than likely has the legal teeth and clout to back his demand.
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The R*dditors have picked up on the controversy https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/1tb66sd/bambu_lab_3d_printers_never_again/

Mix of responses. Some are saying they will never ever ever buy Bambu again but a decent portion are saying "yeah they suck but they make good products no one else can compete with so i'm not gonna do anything".
This lines up with personal experience and what I see in my industry, where more and more companies have at least one Bambu in the corner somewhere and the technical guys have one or two at home for personal projects.
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Good summary of the controversy from their point of view
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The main thing people seem to be specifically mad about is that BL built their machines on open-source projects and then slammed down the gates to prevent giving back to the original projects and further prevent new projects from interfacing with their printers.
A valid thing to be mad about, but unlikely to move the needle on any meaningful change. China already does not respect copyright law so asking them to consider opening their code and firmware to work with other random "unauthorized" projects licensed under a toothless copyleft system out of the kindness of their hearts will surely go well.
 
Molokroid said:
The original title was more direct. "Hey Bambu Lab: come sue us". From my listening to MATI and Josh's legal battles, asking someone to sue you is not always in your best interests but Louis more than likely has the legal teeth and clout to back his demand.
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Jeff Geerling weighs in
Hacker news
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Molokroid said:
A valid thing to be mad about, but unlikely to move the needle on any meaningful change. China already does not respect copyright law
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No China only respects the IP people with party connections or large multinationals they can't face down (ostensibly). The way to protect IP in China is trade secrets or GB (ISO like standards org)
Let me explain to you how patents work in china (I have applied for before on behalf of someone/myself).

There are three routes of enforcement in China. The PSB (police), the MSS (Spooks), and the Army. The army doesn't play with the likes of us because they just copy everyone shit and use it for free themselves.

1) Any thing applying for a patent in China (or part) is automatically subject a 6 month, "classified" review called a confidential/national security screening.
  • IF you don't have the Guanxi or backers, they find way to try and take your IP with their friends.
  • Filing abroad immediately invalidates your patent in China perpetually, and subjects you to a penalty of up to life in prison with article 111 of 泄露国家秘密 as "unauthorized distribution of state secrets". Oh and it can be retroactive.
2) Chinese patents do not give a shit (relatively speaking) about theoretical ideas. modifying the idea just a little bit will basically be accepted.
3) Some folks will copy you regardless, and when you go after them the local government will just either say they can't find them, dare you to go after them, or just gulag you (if ruralish). Gets worse the further outside of Tier 1s and is really bad in the northeast/west.

GB is better because its like a more effective patent, because there is only one gov agency explicitly authorized to certify the method, and the examiners.
 
Defo not getting a Bambu for my next printer. Only got my P1S cuz my friend sold it super cheap to me. Bambu is only popular cuz they have all the extra bells and whistles on an affordable printer cheaper than most of the competition. I could honestly live without most of the stuff on the P1S and be fine.
 
Tbh i always though bambu was like the printer for people who dont want to know how a printer works.
Like I've never felt like I was missing out on a really cool feature that they have that my Sovol doesn't. It's been churning out good quality prints for a very long time and my Ender 3 worked well enough for even longer. Meanwhile I have extended family who bought a Bambu for their kid like last year and that shit is breaking every other week in ways I've never heard of.
Dare I say Bambu always gave me the vibe of gentrification in 3D printing.
 
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