Blah blah blah retarded lap of text, I google lensed it and the character, Mary Kim, is literally from a manhwa called LOOKISM, that centers around some kinda glowup magic. As far as I could find its basically the plot of The Substance, where the main dude literally has 2 seperate bodies he switches conscience between, one ugly one hot, and its all about social commentary about meeting korean beauty expectations and dark aspects of Korea in general.
Complaining about there being 'glow ups' in the dedicated glow up fantasy and criticism comic is, if not fetishistic, at the very least retarded. This is actually one of the most well known korean mangas and has been adapted multiple times already.
The fat chick apparantly canonically got bullied into weight loss surgery and general plastic surgery (because Korea) and gets triggered about anything concerning her weight now while in her new body. Its SUPPOSED to be a crazy amount of difference, her new body is supposed to look fake asf, and anyone mindlessly criticising the artist bc omggg fat to skinny!!! without considering there might be a real reason behind it is a moron.
Complaining about there being 'glow ups' in the dedicated glow up fantasy and criticism comic is, if not fetishistic, at the very least retarded. This is actually one of the most well known korean mangas and has been adapted multiple times already.
No, actually that makes it more reasonable, the whole point in that case is that you're not supposed to like the glowup, they're rather doing what the author wants them to do. I mean if they're mad at the author then ya that's silly, but I didn't see any digs towards the author. Just digs at the change, which apparently, you're supposed to take digs at. You weren't supposed to like Sue in The Substance after all, she's supposed to be repulsive despite her conventional attractiveness. I'm getting similar vibes from this.
Its SUPPOSED to be a crazy amount of difference, her new body is supposed to look fake asf, and anyone mindlessly criticising the artist bc omggg fat to skinny!!!
But they didn't criticize the artist, they said "I'd stop reading after this change", that's the feeling the change is supposed to invoke. If anything they're complimenting them, lol.
That does make sense though, when I saw her I thought "Wow she looks like a basic bitch from a manwha", I guess she is lol.
In an attempt to get things more on topic, have this. I know Tess Fowler has a thread, but it’s still fuckin dead even after some defibrillator shocks.
This is an excerpt from a memoir she’s writing by the way. That’ll be fun!
I can hardly be considered trad and I make art that gives me hope of positive, beautiful Western societies free of obesity and non-whites, so I never draw fatties and shitskins in my serious pieces. Physical flaws like acne will of course still exist in such a society, but adding focus to flaws in a work that's meant to uplift beauty and inspire hope detracts from its purpose.
In an attempt to get things more on topic, have this. I know Tess Fowler has a thread, but it’s still fuckin dead even after some defibrillator shocks. View attachment 8984364
This is an excerpt from a memoir she’s writing by the way. That’ll be fun!
But they didn't criticize the artist, they said "I'd stop reading after this change", that's the feeling the change is supposed to invoke. If anything they're complimenting them, lol.
Except as far as ive seen there was no real change because her fat form was her in flashbacks. And shes also an extremely minor character anyways. Jumping the gun like that is in fact a very sjw thing to do.
And cmon, going 'wah wah id stop reading!!1!' is very clearly supposed to be critical of the work itself. If you stop reading something just because a fat character got skinny you never cared about the work/plot/characters in the first place and just the fact it has fatties in it. I didnt stop watching Bojack Horseman when the 1 human female character became a chubster. These are twitter users, stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Literal reply on the post btw
Sidenote, at least the earlier chapters actually have a sorta interesting if ugly artstyle compared to the usual manhwa slop.
In an attempt to get things more on topic, have this. I know Tess Fowler has a thread, but it’s still fuckin dead even after some defibrillator shocks. View attachment 8984364
This is an excerpt from a memoir she’s writing by the way. That’ll be fun!
And cmon, going 'wah wah id stop reading!!1!' is very clearly supposed to be critical of the work itself. If you stop reading something just because a fat character got skinny you never cared about the work/plot/characters in the first place and just the fact it has fatties in it.
Not rlly. There's a lot of things I liked where I went "Omg I almost stopped reading", either as a joke or cause there was a change that happened that ya I didn't like but made sense for the story. Like Peter's mind getting washed in Allegiant, like it makes sense not mad at the book for that, but damn. There's many reasons to stop doing something that don't mean you hate the thing.
I'm not saying none of them have a fetish, just that I don't think you have to have a fetish to dislike the change to the extent that they do, lol. That's leaving out the fact that if they did have a fetish I wouldn't even care, besides from it being so public, but I'm just saying I could see disliking this change and not having a fetish. Especially since afaik the point is to dislike the change.
This style was better, if only they kept with this. Expressive and kind of like symbolic almost. The "attractive" ones still look ugly with their expressions, showing that good looks mean nothing to an ugly heart.
I'm shocked so many people in this thread agreed with me, I thought I'd get my ass whooped, lol. But ya, no, if you can only draw conventionally attractive perfect people, that ain't skill. Anyone can draw... Idk, Paris Hilton. Who do people find hot nowadays? Either way the idea that something's "SJW art" just cause they dared to draw something outside of such a... Restrictive box is crazy to me. Anyway, here's some eyebleach, some great art of a plus sized girl I found on Pinterest. The style's very fun and expressive and she's drawn to look appealing and plus size in a way that feels more pin up than fetish
The point is that the people fixating on the state of her body at all and making tweets about it are either gooners or professional whiners. (And yes, I think the same goes for people who go into dramatics about a character gaining weight too, you can stop reading but announcing it to the class isnt any less pathetic just bc its anti-woke). You will never find a normal, well adjusted person in one of those comment sections. The person that said he'd stop reading has an ahego avatar and claims to have 11 wives in his bio, ffs.
(Also, for visual variety fat characters are better, sure, but concerning realism I dont think I actually had ANY fat chicks and maybe 1 fat dude tops in my graduating year of about 100 people. Some of them did balloon the moment they hit college tho.)
Granted, I dont rlly care about 'original' sjw-style art unless its particularly ridiculous because its at least orginal, so if some/all of their ocs are fat or black, whatever. With the ones that are fanart, on the other hand, that change major aspects of the original design, its always very clear that its most likely either some kind of race/weight/trans/etc-fetish, virtue signalling, or just a manifestation of deep insecurity about their own body that they're in denial about, because why the hell else would they go out of their way to change the design like that?? Especially if its done in a combo.
(Gotta love the giant hoops (regular Jinx doesnt even have piercings) and stripper nails on this one lmao, had to make sure she was capital B Black)
Like this one isnt that bad anatomy wise, but drawing a gunt where there wasnt any (and then drawing another character getting horny over it) is still weird. Especially in a franchise that literally has other female characters who are actually fat.
Like who is making these?? Whats the audience for this? Not anyone normal, thats for sure.
The point is that the people fixating on the state of her body at all and making tweets about it are either gooners or professional whiners. (And yes, I think the same goes for people who go into dramatics about a character gaining weight too, you can stop reading but announcing it to the class isnt any less pathetic just bc its anti-woke). You will never find a normal, well adjusted person in one of those comment sections. The person that said he'd stop reading has an ahego avatar and claims to have 11 wives in his bio, ffs.
(Also, for visual variety fat characters are better, sure, but concerning realism I dont think I actually had ANY fat chicks and maybe 1 fat dude tops in my graduating year of about 100 people. Some of them did balloon the moment they hit college tho.)
Idrc either way, I think people are free to keep or stop reading stuff for whatever reason. Personally
Hm, maybe it's an area thing, I remember a lot of fat gals and guys in my graduating year. Plenty of different races too, and I went to a good school. Not to brag
Granted, I dont rlly care about 'original' sjw-style art unless its particularly ridiculous because its at least orginal, so if some/all of their ocs are fat or black, whatever. With the ones that are fanart, on the other hand, that change major aspects of the original design, its always very clear that its most likely either some kind of race/weight/trans/etc-fetish, virtue signalling, or just a manifestation of deep insecurity about their own body that they're in denial about, because why the hell else would they go out of their way to change the design like that?? Especially if its done in a combo.
Hmmm, combos do TEND to have ulterior motives, though tbh honestly sometimes it's just hc. Or maybe even it rather makes more sense, I mean, Knuckles is an Echidna but a lot of people interpret him as black cause... Ya. Or when people redesigned that one chick from Genshin to be fat, that made sense, cause how tf is she 120 lbs when her whole thing is being a fatass that always eats.
I am kinda split here, I do think people should be allowed to enjoy their favorite characters however they want, ESPECIALLY since at the end of the day they're figments of imagination. But it is true some people aren't enjoying rather very subtly proselytizing.
Like this one isnt that bad anatomy wise, but drawing a gunt where there wasnt any (and then drawing another character getting horny over it) is still weird.
... Not really? Idk, I'm not liking all these rules. You can make a white character black, you can make a black character white, you can make a fat character skinny, you can make a skinny character fat. I thought it was SJW's who had all the rules dictating what you were allowed to conceive in your head.
When is art ever for people who are normal? Lol. If your art is aimed at the average, your doin it wrong.
The people making those ones you sent? People who wanna see that white haired chick fat, or they just think she's fat. Honestly from the screenshot you posted I thought she was lol.
I have an issue with people trying to slide fetish pieces where they don't belong under the guise that it's just "Progressive art" but this is not that, this is loud and proud "I get off to fat girls, just so ya know". Nothing like those yuri fetishists that claim their art is just "Lesbian pride" or those AGP's that claim their art is just "Trans pride"
That's because it's related to my day job. I'm not creating or referring to generated art. And if you went through my post history to negrate everything like your fellow Redditors, you'd see I'm not defending AI hype and its worshippers in that thread.
I'm shocked so many people in this thread agreed with me, I thought I'd get my ass whooped, lol. But ya, no, if you can only draw conventionally attractive perfect people, that ain't skill. Anyone can draw... Idk, Paris Hilton. Who do people find hot nowadays? Either way the idea that something's "SJW art" just cause they dared to draw something outside of such a... Restrictive box is crazy to me.
This thread has always skewed more progressive than the rest of the forum because of the art focus. Most artists are progressive. I think we all can agree that not all art featuring conventionally unattractive things is SJW art, which new posters get corrected on constantly, but all SJW art is conventionally unattractive. Anyone who has been around progressive artists long enough knows the change that happened in the mid-2010s where their cutesy but amateurish anime character drawings unexpectedly turned into blobs of fat brown ghouls. At the same time, the same artists started moralfagging about "diversity" and "underrepresented bodies", scolding other artists for choosing to draw conventionally attractive light-skinned characters in comfortable settings. I've witnessed many former artist friends cave in real time. It destroys critique systems because everyone is too afraid to address that the shit-colored obese elephant in the room is a visual assault, and you get useless "critiques" from these people who are more interested in how many fat/colored/crippled/faggot/tranny characters are in your work than boring old white man things like "technique" or "composition".
I'm not saying that you're secretly working for the SJWs' interest, but they're piggybacking your argument to guilt artists into "diversifying" their art. I still stand by the principle that artists should be as narrow or broad in what they want to create as they like, and never fold to social pressure if art is their uncompensated hobby. There is no reason to fill your free time with getting bullied into doing work you don't like by mean girls online.
Ya, but I don't think it's a progressive view inherently. A lot of progressives are like weird pedo-adjacent who only want to draw short skinny flat-chested women with massive eyes, the whole "I'm just drawing my proportions" thing lol. Like Isaac Blooms/AscendingAbel.
Anyone who has been around progressive artists long enough knows the change that happened in the mid-2010s where their cutesy but amateurish anime character drawings unexpectedly turned into blobs of fat brown ghouls. At the same time, the same artists started moralfagging about "diversity" and "underrepresented bodies", scolding other artists for choosing to draw conventionally attractive light-skinned characters in comfortable settings. I've witnessed many former artist friends cave in real time
Like I said, no one should be forced to draw anything. I'm not advocating for people being cancelled if they refuse to draw some brown fat guy, but if they can't that's objectively not being good at their skill. Idk what else to tell you, if you can't do a pretty basic thing in your skill... It's not a skill? And that's not bad?
It destroys critique systems because everyone is too afraid to address that the shit-colored obese elephant in the room is a visual assault, and you get useless "critiques" from these people who are more interested in how many fat/colored/crippled/faggot/tranny characters are in your work than boring old white man things like "technique" or "composition".
I'm not saying that you're secretly working for the SJWs' interest, but they're piggybacking your argument to guilt artists into "diversifying" their art.
I still stand by the principle that artists should be as narrow or broad in what they want to create as they like, and never fold to social pressure if art is their uncompensated hobby. There is no reason to fill your free time with getting bullied into doing work you don't like by mean girls online.
I agree, I never said this was wrong. For like the 5th time, there's nothing wrong with being a bad artist. There's nothing wrong with being bad at anything! I guess unless you're a life saving surgeon?
I think the issue and where you think we disagree is that you hear "Bad artist" and think that means "Morally bad", when I mean "Skillfully bad". If I can only boil eggs but can't fry them, I am a bad cook. NOT a bad person. There's NOTHING wrong with being bad at something! Most people are bad at at least 2 things! If someone only wants to draw buff aryans OR 500 lb muslims then they're a bad artist, but there's literally NOTHING wrong with that and they're allowed to. Doubly so if they're not being paid/are a hobbyist. Like I said, I'm not that good of an artist myself. I've got range but I rarely use it, which is fine! Do whatever you want for eternity or whatever tumblr niggas say.
No one is saying its not allowed, just that its usually a clear indication of a fetish, race obession, mental illness or desire to virtue signal. Theres nothing particularly creative about 'x character but theyre black/fat' (or 'but they have giant boobs') and the motivation to drastically change a design usually doesn't come out of nowhere.
The 'draw a miku from your country' trend was very fun bc they put her in actual cultural inspired clothes and used it as a way to showcase their culture to the internet. Brazillian Miku is easy to understand the reasoning behind. 'Miku but shes fat and black' on the other hand (especially when the outfit is the exact same) is just boring, strange and kinda lazy honestly.
You cant really 'headcanon' a skin colour or weight for a character that already has a canon human design, thats just ignoring canon altogether. 'Headcanons' are just not explicitly confirmed by the source material, not in direct contradiction to it.
Like this ridiculously curvy interpretation of a flat ass raggedy ann doll is allowed to exist, but im also probably right to assume the creator is a big ol gooner with a taste for chubsters from it.
And that the person behind this admittedly nice drawing has a fixation with skin colour because they went out of their way to change it and nothing else like the outfit. Less obvious than the fat thing but its still safe to assume their reasoning behind making this is probably sjw-related.
Also that blonde chick looks like THIS in the show, no mistaking her weight.
While the average fanart turns her into a austistic fat lesbian, which is their right but also very telling about what kinda person the artist is.
No one is saying its not allowed, just that its usually a clear indication of a fetish, race obession, mental illness or desire to virtue signal. Theres nothing particularly creative about 'x character but theyre black/fat' (or 'but they have giant boobs') and the motivation to drastically change a design usually doesn't come out of nowhere.
Ya, there is nothing especially creative about it. That's what I'm saying though, if someone acknowledges that there is nothing especially creative about it then I don't see how that's a fetish. it usually IS a fetish if they're like "SEE I MADE THE CHARACTER BETTER!!!" but if it's just "I made Ragatha fat cause I want her to be fat" then. That's about as honest as it gets.
And that the person behind this admittedly nice drawing has a fixation with skin colour because they went out of their way to change it and nothing else like the outfit. Less obvious than the fat thing but its still safe to assume their reasoning behind making this is probably sjw-related.
Funny cause I think the fat thing is LESS obvious, Ragatha's a farmhand and a mom like figure, her being fat feels like it really tracks. Her being black, I guess tracks insofar as the mom trauma?
Like this ridiculously curvy interpretation of a flat ass raggedy ann doll is allowed to exist, but im also probably right to assume the creator is a big ol gooner with a taste for chubsters from it.
Logic doesn't track for me, nah. I don't see how turning a skinny person fat equals immediate fetish. That Ragatha has a pretty normal body type for a fat woman and the focus is on her putting on a dress, not how ourhghg big n' fat she is. This reads as someone who just sees Ragatha as fat, for whatever reason (Her being based on a toy that came exclusively with a wide body, her being a farmhand, just cause they wanna idk.). Of course people can do this for fetish, not denying that, but I can't imagine looking at THIS
And immediately thinking "OMG, GOONER! They made her fat, it's cause they wanna jerk off to it!"
This is more so an obvious fat fetish
The belly wiggle lines says it all.
I think @femboy fart huffer said it best... Holy fuck I can't believe I just said that lmao. Either way I can't imagine a reality where you have to mark your art as mature content cause you made a skinny girl fat, lul.
I'm not denying that the situations you're presenting are possible, just that your assumption that the situations ARE going on have little evidence imo. Like this sort of covert EPI fetish shit DOES exist, I just don't think you have a good eye for it.
It's also important to note that someone can have a fat fetish and draw a fat character and that not be porn, like how someone can be a BDSM fetishist but draw a girl in a corset and not be currently deliriously horny.
Twitter user is complaining because Tomodachi Life game still refers to her as a woman despite picking "non binary".
She is complaining because her pronouns are she/her but doesn't want to be called a woman because it makes her uncomfortable.
Some comments are calling her out on this but despite not wanting to be called a woman, she calls herself a magical girl on her Twitter bio. 20 years old btw.
Other users are confused as to why she doesn't want to be called a woman but is ok with she/her pronouns. Replies are of course shit like "Hermaphrodite people exist"! and one user stats "Pronouns =/= gender. No such thing as "female pronouns". These people are the most insufferable people on the planet.
Funny cause I think the fat thing is LESS obvious, Ragatha's a farmhand and a mom like figure, her being fat feels like it really tracks. Her being black, I guess tracks insofar as the mom trauma?
Except the fat ragatha is still her as a 100% doll, with doll hands and thread stitches, and its very abnormal for a ragdoll to have big ol honkers or a phat ass. Theyre supposed to be soft but blocky and completely lacking sexual characteristics, and the canon design fits that, but the fanart not so much. Giving a character from a pg13 franchise massive titties just because the ragdolls are often wide (and they usually have those proportions bc they resemble toddlers btw) is still gooner tier even if its not drawn in an obviously disgusting way.
Like cmon. What single other reason would there be to make a sexless ragdoll from a show for 12 yos, not even transformed into a human, not just chubby but extremely curvy with her whole cleavage out if not for sexual reasons?
And the 'innocent' drawing you posted is still suspicious because of the unnecessary amount of definition on the gunt, when the dress wouldve covered it just fine instead of being needlessly sucked in by a fupa like its a black hole. The weirdly defined gunt is literally the main hallmark of covert fat fetish art.
Like, clothes straight up just dont work that way. Its literally anime titty clothing logic but on a gunt instead of tits or ass, and artists do it with tits/ass purely bc they find it hot, 0 other reason.
(And black ragatha clearly isnt supposed to be 'her human life' either since she still has a fucking button for an eye, just a humanoid version of her circus design except black for some reason.)
Except the fat ragatha is still her as a 100% doll, with doll hands and thread stitches, and its very abnormal for a ragdoll to have big ol honkers or a phat ass.
Ya, I noticed that. Their circus forms translate a bit to their human forms, and uh yeah it is abnormal. Just like how it's abnormal for a rabbit to be purple, or a chess piece to have eyes, idk? I'm at a bit of a loss for words cause this is definitely an attitude towards fiction I've only seen from SJWs.
??? TADC isn't PG-13??? Sure the swears are censored, but there's still a lot of them each episode. Along with sex and gore talk, and... Maid talk *shivers*
I don't know what to tell you. Ragatha is the most human looking person here, ergo people interpret her having breasts. If you're fat, you tend to have larger breasts. Like I said, I'm at a bit of a loss for words, this is feeling reminiscent of r/mendrawingwomen.
Like cmon. What single other reason would there be to make a sexless ragdoll from a show for 12 yos, not even transformed into a human, not just chubby but extremely curvy with her whole cleavage out if not for sexual reasons?
>Extremely curvy
I'm not seeing the extreme curves, if you search up "Fat woman" on Google, that's about the body type you'll get.
Also why would someone do this? Idk, why did Don Bluth reinterpret Eve to be fat? Why did Lauren Faust remake Mars to be fat? Why did Darko Dordevic remake Catty Noir to be fat? Cause they're all flicker gooners?
I can't give you the entire list of why someone would do this outside of sexual gratification, all I can do is confirm there is indeed a list.
I never knew I'd see the day where ballooning someone up was considered sexy, lol, back in my day that was desexualizing someone. Times change ig.
And the 'innocent' drawing you posted is still suspicious because of the unnecessary amount of definition on the gunt, when the dress wouldve covered it just fine instead of being needlessly stretched out by a fupa.
Edited it properly, it's cause it looks off if you don't signal where the torso is, it makes her chest look unnaturally short and her legs unnaturally long. You're allowed to signal where the torso is cause it's a cartoon.
Anatomy aside, this is not reason to get "suspicious". Fat people are NOT this sexy, bro.
A lot of this is having "Why does Bayonetta fight in heels?" energy tbh.
>Just confused
Lemme explain it for you, it's a game. A family game no less. I'm giggling at imagining her shutting off her switch after being called a wingwoman like
Sorry, but you have to be in very active denial to NOT get this.
(Spot the damn subreddit name. Literal weight gain hentai. Characterised by overly exaggerated gunts visible in full even trough clothes.)
Also TADC is quite literally rated pg13 or 12+ on netflix in most countries, the movie is rated pg13 in the US and the fanbase is 99% children. And even when the show is kiddie shit making softcore porn with the characters having big tits and asses not present on the og design is still fine! Posting it on a non-nsfw reddit pretending its regular fanart instead of jerk fodder a bit less so, but denying that it IS gooner shit at all is just downright bizarre. Even the subreddits themselves dont try to pretend that most of the ragatha fanart on their sub isnt just smut.
Theres 0 reason to 'interprent' a boobless ragdoll as having big 'boobs' outside of thinking shed be hotter with big boobs (and thats ok to think), because the only ragdoll with tits ive ever seen was a diy sexdoll made by a schizo prisoner. No one ever tries to deny that adding big exaggerated anime tits to the flatchested splatoon squids is purely for pornographic reasons. Complaining that these drawings are being made at all or that people like them is sjw, but you dont have to completely ignore reality either.
Like, its softcore porn. And drawing softcore porn is fine. Every second piece of fanart on the internet is softcore or regular porn. But if you draw softcore porn and then choose to also change a character to be fat in your obvious porn drawing, then its safe to assume youre just as attracted to the gunt you added as to the cleavage you added.
Lauren Faust redesigning her OWN character that she designed in the first place to be 10% more thick (with no gunt) is completely different from pulling this shit with someone elses design (and putting them in a sexualized context while you do it) and you know it.
