💰 Grifter Boogie / Boogie2988 / "Francis" / Steven Jason Williams - Fat, Rapidly Declining Divorced "Nice Guy" Middle-Aged Youtuber, Former Edgy Porn Blogger, lied about having cancer and being molested. Cohost of fake drama show "Lolcow Live (LCL)". Just WILL NOT die.

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VenomPlug said:
Boogster will get sad and depressed, more eating, more whining, bitching, blameshifting, guilting, and sad pathetic death, maybe on Livestream even.
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Sinners Sandwich said:
The common misconception here is that Boogie is nice. Hurr durr he is such a nice landwhale!

He isn't. Just look at the divorce bullshit.

He is manipulative, lazy and can't stop shoving crap into his mouth. I don't want to know what his poor wife has to endure.
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Like I said, still catching up on the thread.
 
The Uncanny Ex-Men said:
I legitimately don't understand how kids can look at boogie and say that he's an inspiration.
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They don't see him as overweight manipulative manchild that he truly is, they see his numbers, all the cool toys and vidya, McDonald's five times per day and they think it's the way to go, so they enable him. When they grow up (those who aren't exceptional, that is) they will see thru his fatlogic, lies, excuses, selfishness, realize how stupid and childish this way of thinking was and say: "wow, I want to become the exact opposite of this guy". When Fat Francis drops dead (and let's be honest, surgery is not going to magically fix him. It might fix his gut a bit but his head is a separate issue, as serious as his weight) they will collectively pat themselves in the back and say "I've made the right decision".
 
The Uncanny Ex-Men said:
I legitimately don't understand how kids can look at boogie and say that he's an inspiration.
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Because they're kids and kids are stupid. Kids, and a lot of adults, seem to think it's virtuous to enable people instead of helping them with tough love. Boogie will hold you emotionally hostage if you let him. He's concocted the perfect long-form version of audience assisted suicide. His plan is working to perfection (he's dying).
 
So I've caught up, and read about the divorce announcement on stream. My gut wants me to be generous and say that he didn't set out to sic trolls on his wife to think of leaving him, and that he just blurted it out to the stream because he's the kind of guy that overshares everything, like pictures of his bruised ass crack. But the doubling down on being called a "cuck" on Reddit and prioritizing that over blackmailing his wife... he strikes me as a selfish manchild with tunnel vision.

I can't really work up the kind of ire that others have for him in this thread, though. I do think that he tries to be nice to people, but he also lacks any kind of impulse control, and like a lot of children of abusive parents, he implements a lot of abusive tactics on people in his everyday life, likely without having a clue what he's doing. I don't think he's mean or consciously manipulative, but he's definitely a coward, he's selfish, he's willing to brown-nose vile people to protect himself, and, oh yeah, he's fat. That too.


I would very much like to see him lose weight and start standing up for himself more, go to therapy, all that jazz. I think what's frustrating, at least for me, is that I don't think he's 100% a lost cause, and that he is capable of change. But he would have to want it. I feel like surviving a heart attack or having a near-death experience would be the only thing that would actually make him serious about turning his life around for the better. Otherwise he'll just keep coasting along and likely die from overeating.

Yeah, yeah, call me optimistic. I do try to see good in people sometimes.

ERROR_ENTRY said:
I can't believe I didn't realise this sooner but Boogie definitely has dependent personality disorder.

Dependent personality
Dependent personality characterized by: Overt need for social approval, reassurance, and affection. Dependents are willing to give up their own ambitions to serve others and fulfill their needs. Often referred to as "needy" personalities, even by people with little psychological knowledge, dependents are temperamentally docile, noncompetitive, and passive. They have a strong need to belong and be accepted and they have a hard time making demands of others or delivering bad news.

Passive-adaptation with Other-nurturance: The dependent personality is passive, takes few independent initiatives, and is mortally afraid of conflict. He happily submits to dominant individuals and relinquishes his own wishes to satisfy those around him. Others consider him a pushover who is 'too nice for his own good.' If male, he is the quintessential 'nice guy' who can't get the girl. If female, she is the prototypical abused girlfriend who is too 'good for her boyfriend,' but also 'too weak to leave him.'

Sensitivity to praise and blame: The dependent personality is very sensitive to praise and rejection and can experience anxiety if others do not express their overt acceptance, appreciation, and approval of him.

Downplayed resourcefulness: The dependent is modest and comes across as innocent, naive, and even somewhat helpless. These qualities endear him to other people and prompt them to feel protective of him, as if they were his older sibling or parent. However, appearances can be deceiving, and not infrequently the dependent is much more competent and resourceful than he seems. Indeed, even a dependent who excels in his profession and is a benefactor to his community may downplay his resourcefulness in an effort to have others assume the ultimate responsibility for his actions. In response to admiring questions about his achievements, the dependent may become uncomfortable and purposefully push his modesty and feigned naivety to an extreme in an effort to deflect admiration (and by extension, responsibility).

Submission / introjection: Most people maintain opinions of their own as a matter of course, but with the dependent this is not so. The dependent looks to more dominant individuals in his life for cues on what to think and how to behave. In romantic relationships, he forfeits his individuality and seeks to align himself with the opinions and expectations of his partner. To avoid conflict and confrontation, the dependent internalizes the opinions of his partner and eventually comes to believe that these really are his own opinions. Outsiders therefore size up the dependent as an extension of the partner - an empty shell with whom it is impossible to do independent business.

A string of abusive relationships: Dependent personalities are prime candidates for ending up in abusive relationships with antisocial, narcissistic, or sadistic partners. But even with a non-abusive partner, any latent derogatory tendencies in the partner's psyche will eventually be brought to the forefront of consciousness by the dependent's contempt-inspiring submissiveness. For this reason, it is often easy to sympathize with the dependent, placing all of the blame on the shoulders of the abusive partner. Yet the majority of people who do so never stop to consider the dependent's contribution to the state of affairs.

Severity spectrum: The dependent spectrum stretches from cooperative (normal) to clingy (abnormal) to dependent (pathological).
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That sounds like Boogie to a T. Like, textbook case.
 
We live in a world where individualism and social virtue are more important than helping each other out and self improvement. Some people are dumb enough to think boogie just has "the disease of obesity" and just see his YouTube success.

Kids today are taught individualism is a virtue to the point dunning kruger runs rampant even more so than past generations. Kids don't know they are retarded because everyone tells them they're winners and special. So they assume every emotion they get is fact and that's where all these crazy opinions come from. Especially with women around college age. But I digress.

That goes well beyond the scope of boogie but explains why he has followers. Why there are people that look at him and aren't disgusted and tell him to fuck off and fix himself and come back.

Nobodies problems are their own fault including boogies obesity.
 
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I don't know what's more cute, the fact he thinks people actually want to see this, or the fact he thinks he's going to live long enough to actually do this.
 
Picaninnyfreeze said:
We live in a world where individualism and social virtue are more important than helping each other out and self improvement. Some people are dumb enough to think boogie just has "the disease of obesity" and just see his YouTube success.

Kids today are taught individualism is a virtue to the point dunning kruger runs rampant even more so than past generations. Kids don't know they are exceptional because everyone tells them they're winners and special. So they assume every emotion they get is fact and that's where all these crazy opinions come from. Especially with women around college age. But I digress.

That goes well beyond the scope of boogie but explains why he has followers. Why there are people that look at him and aren't disgusted and tell him to fuck off and fix himself and come back.

Nobodies problems are their own fault including boogies obesity.
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If they're such individualists, why are they all BernieBros? Individualism requires self-reliance and independence.
 
Sinners Sandwich said:
The common misconception here is that Boogie is nice. Hurr durr he is such a nice landwhale!

He isn't. Just look at the divorce bullshit.

He is manipulative, lazy and can't stop shoving crap into his mouth. I don't want to know what his poor wife has to endure.
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He's nice insofar as he's a pushover who hates conflict and wants to be on everyone's good side (Sarkeesian debacle prime example). He's the kid who gives his friend his brother's action figure because he really wanted it.
 
VenomPlug said:
Seems like Boogie's operation might get delayed or even better: cancelled. His tests look like shit and his heart doesn't qualify. But there's still hope, folks! Right?

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Cardiologist? At this point it should be a fucking zoologist.
If operation gets cancelled you know what it means: Boogster will get sad and depressed, more eating, more whining, bitching, blameshifting, guilting, and sad pathetic death, maybe on Livestream even.
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Problem is his heart is probably fucking huge. I forgot to mention that. When you get obese, your heart works harder. But heart muscle doesn't replicate (which is why timing is so important in heart attacks. Once these cells die, they die for good). What it does do, however, is expand. Its like working out a muscle. They grow bigger and bigger. The heart's chambers, however, do not. This means that the heart can hold less and less blood. Blood gets circulated slower. This doesn't only matter for fatigue and energy, but Boogie can go into shock easily during surgery because his heart simply cannot transport oxygen around fast enough. With anesthesia and trauma that can happen during surgery, its a recipe for disaster. That's why he had to shop around.

It'd be a lot healthier for him to cut his caloric intake, take some benzos, and get the surgery when his heart has to do less work. But it just doesn't seem like he has the desire to do it. However, it is his life to do as he wills. He just doesn't have the desire to do it. The surgery isn't a magic cure either. You still have to eat less.
 
This still isn't making sense; I'd appreciate it if someone could explain a theory on what's going on with Boogie.

Did his wife "float" (because there was an argument, or because she's a feeder) the idea of leaving, so Boogie brought it up as a way of destroying her online/blackmailing her into staying? This would make him such a shit that I find it hard to believe. It would also make him categorically stupid, which he doesn't seem to me.

The alternative, his truth, doesn't make any more sense. If Boogie was suffering from paranoia and anxiety (which to be fair isn't impossible on an extremely restrictive diet whilst being fucked up enough in the head to eat yourself into a vegetative state) and "misinterpreted", he seemed awfully calm on that live stream for someone having their life ripped from under their feet.

I imagine those who believe their wife is leaving them are a lot more panicked. Unless of course this has been going on for a while.
 
Ethel Mertz said:
This still isn't making sense; I'd appreciate it if someone could explain a theory on what's going on with Boogie.

Did his wife "float" (because there was an argument, or because she's a feeder) the idea of leaving, so Boogie brought it up as a way of destroying her online/blackmailing her into staying? This would make him such a shit that I find it hard to believe. It would also make him categorically stupid, which he doesn't seem to me.

The alternative, his truth, doesn't make any more sense. If Boogie was suffering from paranoia and anxiety (which to be fair isn't impossible on an extremely restrictive diet whilst being fucked up enough in the head to eat yourself into a vegetative state) and "misinterpreted", he seemed awfully calm on that live stream for someone having their life ripped from under their feet.

I imagine those who believe their wife is leaving them are a lot more panicked. Unless of course this has been going on for a while.
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I'm in camp a. It was a preemptive move to call her bluff. This also explains why he was so calm. It was passive aggressive. And boogie has a long history of that.

I'm not calling you a dumbass or anything but if you don't believe it you've never been in a relationship with someone like that. They'll half call bluff half sabotage to be the one to do it. It's masochistic in a way. He doesn't want her to leave he's emotionally and physically dependent. But if she's showing one sign of doubt he makes a video putting it out there.

No it doesn't make sense. Inside the mind of a stable person that is.

I don't believe Francis is purely character. I believe he's a pure form of a portion of his mind. A spoiled kid who will trash his room and favorite toys if mom says no seconds. Twisted masochism that somehow gives a sense of winning and making a point in his own mind.

I don't want to power level so I'll just say I have a lot of experience with "boogies"
 
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Picaninnyfreeze said:
I'm in camp a. It was a preemptive move to call her bluff.

I'm not calling you a dumbass or anything but if you don't believe it you've never been in a relationship with someone like that. They'll half call bluff half sabotage to be the one to do it. It's masochistic in a way. He doesn't want her to leave he's emotionally and physically dependent. But if she's showing one sign of doubt he makes a video putting it out there.

No it doesn't make sense. Inside the mind of a stable person that is.

I don't believe Francis is purely character. I believe he's a pure form of a portion of his mind. A spoiled kid who will trash his room and favorite toys if mom says no seconds.

I don't want to power level so I'll just say I have a lot of experience with "boogies"
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I'm in no way suggesting that calling the bluff is unlikely for anyone. It just seems, for him, that calling it in front of everyone on the internet reveals him to be such a shit that I can't fully believe it. Could just be nostalgia; I used to like the guy a lot, so believing he could be that mean spirited and pathetic is hard.

If it is a preemptive move, it's sealed his fate of her leaving; and I don't believe a man of his age, who seems as sharp as him, could be so dumb. Then again, now that I write that, it would seem the act of a desperate man, which he is.
 
Ethel Mertz said:
I'm in no way suggesting that calling the bluff is unlikely for anyone. It just seems, for him, that calling it in front of everyone on the internet reveals him to be such a shit that I can't fully believe it. Could just be nostalgia; I used to like the guy a lot, so believing he could be that mean spirited and pathetic is hard.

If it is a preemptive move, it's sealed his fate of her leaving; and I don't believe a man of his age, who seems as sharp as him, could be so dumb. Then again, now that I write that, it would seem the act of a desperate man, which he is.
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But that's the beauty of being passive aggressive. All his fans that will give him benefit of the doubt take it at face value. It only has that deep stabbing meaning to her.

And any friends that see the video and text her "omg you guys are separating??"

Shit is calculated. You're right. He's not an idiot. He's just messed up.

Edit: better way to put it. It's all about power. These types will burn the world if it means things happen on their terms. The child smashes his favorite toys when mom says no to something because it's a means of control. Power is more important than anything. Boogie was definitely bullied (admitted) and probably had abusive parents (fat kid). That's where Francis and this behavior comes from.
 
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