Malpractice cases require that the plaintiff can prove there was a deviation from the standard of care that directly caused the poor cosmetic outcome. Because troon surgery is all super secret techniques which vary between surgeons, it’s difficult to establish what “the norm” is and whether the doctors did something outside of that norm or failed to do something they should have done.
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The butchers of GRS Montreal have another dank pit carved into someone's son to offer us a glimpse into, but be very wary of looking too deep - legend has it that sometimes when you look inside, you can sense something else watching you...
Recognised that one instantly. Here's the original post ITT:
[EDIT: Sorry, didn't read further up enough. The original post ITT was an image. The quoted post above is a description that the poster included afterwards]
I always appreciate an update anyway, since it's been two entire years.
This chick was 219lbs (99kg) and 5'2" (157cm). The surgery was doomed from the start, even without the surgeon treating the skin like fabric. It's always exceptionally obese pooners who thinks that the doctor telling them to lost weight is transphobic, and not because there's aesthetic consequences for this kind of surgery.
It always makes me lol when people start screeching that a doctor telling them to lose weight before a surgery is bad and fatphobic. NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT IT'S SO YOU DON'T SUFFOCATE YOURSELF ON YOUR OWN ADIPOSE TISSUE WHILE UNCONSCIOUS. That and having to cut through several inches of fat means you have to be sedated even longer than usual. Horrifying to realize how many dimwits treat surgery like magic instead of being put into a carefully monitored drug coma and cut open.
It always makes me lol when people start screeching that a doctor telling them to lose weight before a surgery is bad and fatphobic. NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT IT'S SO YOU DON'T SUFFOCATE YOURSELF ON YOUR OWN ADIPOSE TISSUE WHILE UNCONSCIOUS. That and having to cut through several inches of fat means you have to be sedated even longer than usual. Horrifying to realize how many dimwits treat surgery like magic instead of being put into a carefully monitored drug coma and cut open.
It always makes me lol when people start screeching that a doctor telling them to lose weight before a surgery is bad and fatphobic. NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT IT'S SO YOU DON'T SUFFOCATE YOURSELF ON YOUR OWN ADIPOSE TISSUE WHILE UNCONSCIOUS. That and having to cut through several inches of fat means you have to be sedated even longer than usual. Horrifying to realize how many dimwits treat surgery like magic instead of being put into a carefully monitored drug coma and cut open.
Only thing I can think of is that the tissue distributes differently when you’re lying down vs. when you’re standing up due to gravity, making it difficult to know what the final results will be like once the patient is up and walking. Surely there must be a way to estimate this before stitching everything back together?
That’s why pre-surgery the surgeon does his markup lines while the patient is standing up. The surgeon will pull the skin up and down and try to pinch the skin together, then draw the lines as close to where they think the cutting lines can join. These are the lines they start cutting to. This is one reason why BMI comes into play for plastic surgery. If the surgeon can’t fold the skin together, they can’t make an accurate markup.
I've heard feminists explain why calling a woman's vagina a "hole" is anatomically incorrect, but nothing has driven that home for me like the up-close view of stinkditches we get in this thread. They really are just...holes. Am holes, if you will.
I've heard feminists explain why calling a woman's vagina a "hole" is anatomically incorrect, but nothing has driven that home for me like the up-close view of stinkditches we get in this thread. They really are just...holes. Am holes, if you will.
There more and worse pics of her nipples going black on the GFM, also of incisions falling apart and getting all gooey and gross. A real greatest hits of bad mastectomy problems, and some unusual ones like the scarring that comes in at a fucking right angle like the corner of a book.
You just reminded me of Tyler Perry's Medea, who planned to see "the Statue of Limitations" while on her trip to NYC.
Why are so many of these mastectomies botched?
Many of us have seen fairly-decent results on elderly cancer survivors in our own families.
I figured they'd look the same, but these young women all have deep scars, lopsided nipples and necrosis.
Is it that young people don't feel the need to take care of themselves as carefully as older cancer patients, or is this a whole different class of surgeons doing this?
You just reminded me of Tyler Perry's Medea, who planned to see "the Statue of Limitations" while on her trip to NYC.
Why are so many of these mastectomies botched?
Many of us have seen fairly-decent results on elderly cancer survivors in our own families.
I figured they'd look the same, but these young women all have deep scars, lopsided nipples and necrosis.
Is it that young people don't feel the need to take care of themselves as carefully as older cancer patients, or is this a whole different class of surgeons doing this?
I'd bet both, mixed with a good bit of just not giving a fuck. Everyone feels bad for Grandma With Cancer, wants her to have a good outcome, and usually she has a lot of social support to make sure she can rest and heal well after surgery. She's also not typically a heavy drinker/smoker/etc like a lot of trannies. My great-grandma had cancer when I was a kid and the entire family reconfigured our lives to make sure she had people taking care of her, getting her to appointments, getting her foods she could eat, cleaning for her, all the shit that a society does for actually valued members.
The surgeons doing this bullshit know several things: this is elective, experimental surgery so they can get away with cutting corners and not get sued; they're getting paid either way; the vast majority of their patients don't have anyone who gives a fuck enough to make sure they follow post-op instructions; and that they don't have any other employment prospects. Plastic surgeons who are good at their jobs and who have other options don't go into these surgeries.
On the trannies' end, I think it's a mix of the comorbidity of Gender Dumbfuck Syndrome, the overall bad hygiene of your typical tranny, not having anyone around to make sure they take care of themselves/eat healthy foods/follow instructions/don't lift shit, a desire to show off their mutilation that means they take off the bandaging way too soon, and the bad health a lot of them are in due to diet/drug/alcohol use
okay, now this is driving me crazy. What would be the name for the empty part of the cup? When I try to look it up, I keep getting "volume," which is not what I'm asking. Is there a dedicated word for the space to be filled by liquid?
okay, now this is driving me crazy. What would be the name for the empty part of the cup? When I try to look it up, I keep getting "volume," which is not what I'm asking. Is there a dedicated word for the space to be filled by liquid?
Many of us have seen fairly-decent results on elderly cancer survivors in our own families.
I figured they'd look the same, but these young women all have deep scars, lopsided nipples and necrosis.
Is it that young people don't feel the need to take care of themselves as carefully as older cancer patients, or is this a whole different class of surgeons doing this?
The surgeons who do mastectomy to treat cancer or prophylactically (in the case of BRCA1+ patients who are nearly certain to get it) are different from the self-pay surgeons who do reductions for normal women for reasons of comfort or cosmesis, are different from the troon surgeons who haphazardly lop tits off obese pooners for relatively low public insurance reimbursements.
>TIFs refuse to associate with butterflies because they are seen as too stereotypically feminine
>the more colorful butterflies are the males
>female butterflies prefer their males to be colorful
>tmw you are the gigachad thundercock of your species but the hairless apes keep calling you a faggot
My theory is that a lot of it comes down to greedy predators wanting in on the the Gold Rush of a lucrative industry (and yes, it remains lucrative even as transgender acceptance has started tanking). I'm no statistician and have only been doing cursory research in my off time, but in the United States alone, trans-related surgeries as an industry made an estimated 2.49 billion dollars in 2025 and and is projected to make some pretty exorbitant moolah in the next decade, with some sites believing it to potentially make nearly 6 billion dollars per year.
(If anyone wants to fact check my numbers, here are my sources. I haven't read them in-depth and statistics are not my strong suit, so they may come from less than stellar places. In which case, preemptively: my bad.)
So how does this tie in to the botching of mastectomies? Traditionally, mastectomies due to cancer are different as they require surgical oncologists as well as plastic surgeons to come in and 1) clean up all of the cancerous and potentially cancerous tissue, which ensures less of an uneven texture overall because these women wind up straight up flat, and 2) stitch things back up to ensure patient comfort and dignity.* The kinds of plastic surgeons drawn to this work are often specifically reconstructive plastic surgeons.
*As a side note, there are some surgeons who ignore the requests of patients to leave them flat and give them loose tissue in the presumption that these patients may want implants later on which leads to a similarly goofy result as a lot of TiFs. This is a legitimate concern and a very good example of medical misogyny as a phenomenon, and there was even an article about it a few years ago on The Washington Post (A), for those curious.
Moving on: reconstructive plastic surgeons are the kinds you expect to find repairing cleft palates, people whose faces were blown off during failed suicide-by-shotgun attempts, animal attack victims like Charla Nash, that kind of stuff. It is still a form of plastic surgery, but these kinds of surgeons seem to be drawn to more altruistic endeavors and don't really focus on making patients "perfect" as much as they prioritize the patients being able to live comfortable lives. For them, if patients can achieve decent function, that's the main goal, and these doctors are held to higher standards because of such an objective. I mean, think about it, if your granny got an axe to the face from some lunatic at the 7-11, you'd be fuming if she came out with a hackjob like the shit we see in this thread.
However, for truly cosmetic mastectomies - like the ones pooners get - this is a surgery anyone with surgical expertise can do, and the surgeons who fell under the umbrella of Cs-get-degrees are not going to be dissuaded from making money just because they weren't the best in class. Not only that, but these patients also rate far higher levels of satisfaction for far worse results, so between low expectations, the titanium legal shield of informed consent and taking out-of-pocket payments on a routine basis (thus bypassing any insurer going "What the fuck are you doing, you idiots?" and making a solid paper trail enforcing any sort of standard be followed), it's luring a lot of unsavory and untalented people with little empathy to take a crack at it for easy money. After all, if you were a shark and smelled blood in the water, wouldn't it be foolish not to swim toward it?
TL;DR: These money-hungry surgeons see a patient pool made up of eager idiots willing to spend thousands of dollars because they think that without these procedures, they will literally die; knowing that they are well-protected legally and will always have someone stupid enough to ignore their reputations and take their chances anyway, these docs want in on the action before the well dires up.
Woof, that was super tizzed of me. I accept any corrections on my assumptions, by the way; take my thoughts with a grain of salt because I have a relatively shallow understanding of this field of medicine.
Anyway, thread tax time. I think I saw that Null wants us to make mention of things being NSFW under spoilers, so obviously as a disclaimer, don't read this post at work unless you A) work from home or B) are self-employed and can do whatever you want; the rest of you wageslave workpig shlubs, however, should sit this one out until you're at least in the privacy of a loo.
The psuedoclits on many a stinkditch are one of my personal favorites to laugh at, if just because there's something karmic about crotch-rubbing bonobos expecting rolling waves of female orgasms to wash over them when they're left with total nubbins. This guy is a great example, because his sincerely looks tacked on with a glue gun. Fair-Eggplant-9201 (Dr. Langner; vaginoplasty) Link | Archive
This is how my vagina looks 3 weeks after PIV at Uniklinikum (University Hospital) Leipzig, Germany. The surgeon was Prof. Dr. Langer. I know its looks a bit weird. But keep in mind this is only Stage 1. I have a canal and a clit, which sit up there. All the outer stuff, like the Labias, will be done in the Stage 2 surgery.
Humility is not a common emotion among trannies (among other such feelings like "empathy," "reasoning," "skepticism" and "respect for women and children"), so it comes as no surprise when this troon thinks that just because a revision is a simpler procedure that it means he can get back into action without any sense of hesitance. However, the human body does not enjoy being taken for granted, and now he risks developing a hole where he did not intend. Goopygum (Dr. Fahradyan; vaginoplasty revision) Link | Archive
I got my revisions fairly recently, mostly to deal with some excess tissue from the original surgery back in Jan 2023. And I definitely haven't been as careful or restful as I should be during this recovery round as I was before. I guess it being a revision and not as disabling made me feel like I could do more activity than was recommended. But you can see that there are loose stitches right above the canal, that's where a large portion of the surgery was focused and it caused the wound to open up quite a bit like a small hole almost.
I only recently noticed this when I put a flashlight and mirror up to it to see and it is certainly freaking me out a little. I read other people's experiences with open stitches and I recognize it as typical dehiscence. I know the general idea behind this scenario is to keep the area dry and allow it to heal on its own. I contacted my team about it but it hasn't been enough time for them to respond yet. I assume they will tell me the above and that they can't restitch it or anything for reasons of possible infection getting trapped. It just got me anxious about dilating and moving around. Is there any advice you can give me for this experience? I would greatly appreciate some words of encouragement and help alleviating my fear that I'll get stuck with a blizzard looking hole above my vagina.
It's easy to become desensitized to results when you're in the SRS thread steward biz, so when you see a result that isn't necrotic, actively bleeding, mysteriously shaped or straight up botched, you tend to think, "Is it worth it to post?" And for two reasons, the answer is yes: 1) because even good results are not natural, and 2) even if this MTF's particular results aren't a horrorshow, you're bound to laugh at how such a stupid procedure looks on the rest of his silly looking body. Bi_Bi_Bitch_422 (Dr, Bank; vaginoplasty) Link | Archive
So I'm just about at the one year mark and all in all I'm very happy with how she's turned out!
That being said, I do get a free revision within the next year and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on what I should ask for? I'm already planning to ask about a clitoral hood, as well as some loose skin from where swelling went down and a couple places where the skin didn't quite reconnect properly (really difficult to see on the photos).
But that's kind of all I have. Is there anything else I should maybe bring up?
Thanks Ps, I already know about the granulation and have been in contact regarding its persistence.
Ding dong > ditch: a TiM wants some advice on how to proceed about fixing the actual, for-real ditch he got in place of the noodle and meatballs his mother once cooked for him in her womb. Now I know we call all of them ditches, but... no, for real this time, this is the kind of ditch you might find a cheese-eating high school boy dead in with a mind full of chemicals. Convenient when a tranny comes with a grave pre-installed, eh? Ok_Bear_8691 (Dr. Mijuskovic; vaginoplasty) Link | Archive
I‘ve had my SRS done in Europe but I‘m not satisfied with how it looks. there’s a couple of things (it’s very „gaping“, weird tissue around the bottom, inner labia not connected all the way down, etc.) I don’t like about it that my surgeon didn’t address in my aesthetic revision.
does anyone know any good surgeons that do good aesthetic revisions?
There are two outcomes for facial feminization procedures, which tend to be either in the camp of "Changed fucking nothing" (such as in the case of notorious gooner Kevin Gibes) or "You look like a corpse that didn't come back quite right." Good news for OP: you do look different! Bad news: you should be cast as the reanimated son scratching at his parents' door at the end of The Monkey's Paw. overcomesthedarkness (Dr. Bahar Bassiri Gharb; facial feminization surgery (FFS)) Link | Archive
If there's anything that makes it hard to keep my head free of top-hats, it's knowing all of the stupid kinds of surgeries these jackasses get completely covered by other people. Take this instance in which a brick shithouse got a couple of measly inches shaved off of the Tetris block he calls his body, which he admits in the comments was covered completely and totally by Blue Cross Blue Shield Premera. Keep in mind that out of pocket this completely cosmetic procedure costs between $5,500 to $15,000, and is typically pursued by biological women. But hey, troons don't have privilege! AdvertisingMoney1124 (Dr. Chaudhry; rib remodeling with 360 liposuction) Link | Archive
Hi, I went to Dr Chaudhry and got 6 Ribs fractured on each side, 360 lipo on Stomach, Back, Arms, and Chin. Boobjob, then fat injection to Hip Dips and Undereyes. Not gonna lie the healing days 1-3 had me praying to die lol def a 8/9 out of 10. Day 4 was a 5/10 and ever since then it’s just been a concurrent 4/10 which is really good. I’m extremely happy with my body even week 1. I will say however people do NOT talk about the weird things you will go through within the first week. You literally fart out your dick because your air is trapped, my tonsil got so swollen to the point it was hard for me to nap one night bc I kept suffocating on it, the pain of your first shower is insane but the relief after is sooooo good. Also make sure you def have those stool softeners and take them religiously bc the gas build up is awful and painful. Also majority of it will be up to you to truly research and learn about everything because unfortunately it’s a self learning process. Make sure to also ask what all your getting because I didn’t even know they did leg lipo on me but apparently they did it in my inner thighs which I wasn’t really wanting or knowing I was getting lol. Currently 28 inches from 30 without waist trainer which is really good considering I’ve lost 2 inches in the first week so I’m already extremely happy with it !
Latter-Commission504's last appearance in the thread with her measly little metoidioplasty was over a year ago, so obviously we're due for an update, and guess what? The abhorrent stitching we laughed at all the way back then, in our season in the sun, has not gotten better! In fact, this current problem of hers is due to a revision she pursued... after the first time her stitches began to come undone only 10 days post-op last year. Lads, don't you hate it when your nuts keep trying to leave your body? Last Post Link | Archive
Bearer of the curse Non-binary_prince has undergone a third revision for the monstrosity that lies beneath her waistband, and with each and every procedure, her results become more twisted and Cronenbergian. If anyone is a great example of the constant carousel of surgery you'll be trapped on if you pursue any sort of ""gender affirming care"", it's this chick, because Christ alive, every photo I see of her body gets worse and worse. Also, if she doesn't pay close enough attention, she pees on the floor instead of the toilet! Very affirming, I'm sure. Last Post Link | Archive
I had to have the drain replaced and the twilight anesthesia really messed with my head but it is draining much better now.
Swelling is decreasing very quickly, finally. First pic is barely 12 hours apart!
Urethra appears healed, urination is great. Did a void trail for the first time: the inject saline to your bladder through the foley catheter until you can’t hold it and then pull the tube. Gave me options but I just peed into a big cup. Big emotions still (as in I’m scheduling therapy a lot and started an anti depressant, I think having so many anesthesia events so close together had an impact) but I am satisfied with the meta results right now although there are two places on my scrotum that I am hoping heal correctly and are still affected by swelling.
Also, just found out I can aim better than before the revision which several of yall said was likely, so thank you everyone who said so! But I am peeing on the floor in front of the toilet if I forget when sitting.
Poon bark: the scabs left behind on this li'l dood's arms are so dark and crusty, one might mistake them for pine bark nuggets used for mulch, though the rest of her arm graft is surprisingly well-colored. Curiously, rather than the typical graft taken from the upper thigh, OP had hers taken from her buttocks, which makes me wonder if that's the way to get a more even scar. Nevertheless, what really matters is that she doesn't care if she has a hairy dong for now even though it almost looks in need of a comb. averagetransguy_ (Dr. Rubin and Mr. Christopher; radial forearm-flap (RFF) phalloplasty with urethral lengthening) Link | Archive
It’s now 6 weeks and 3 days, all pretty much healed. I had stage 1 RFF phalloplasty surgery and urethral lengthening, they took a skin graft and main artery from my forearm to create the phallus and then took a skin graft from each butt cheek (so that my buttocks was even) and used that for the forearm graft. I’m now waiting for my local appointment to have a total hysterectomy and bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy and then I’ll be back in London for Stage 2, which is when they’ll stitch me shut, connect the new urethra to the old one so that it’s connected to the phallus and do the burial. I’ve not had any issues with the phallus or the skin graft on my forearm, it’s only been the left buttocks incision that split after the staples came out at 21 days. The hole has gotten much smaller and there’s not much ‘slough’ left in it, so it is getting better. Just takes longer in that area as the skin is constantly being moved/stretched. But the arm is almost healed, I have to use a medical honey and sea weed dressing on the dark areas just to help pull them off so that it can heal like the rest of the area. I have full sensation in my fingers/hand, the movement is nowhere near back to normal but that’s not to be expected yet. Doing daily exercises to build up the strength. Feeling very exhausted/fatigued still, which they said is normal. I also suffer with daily chronic migraines, which doesn’t aid my recovery, but powering through! Extremely happy with my size, it is perfect for me and suits my body well
Side note - Yes, my phallus is hairy, but I’ll be having hair removal once I’m cleared too. My arm wasn’t very hairy and my surgeon didn’t feel I needed to have any hair removal prior to surgery. So I’ll be having it during my recovery. And the dark blue area at the underside/base of my phallus is my tattoo.
If anyone has any questions, I shall do my best to answer!
This post is long enough, so you're all getting just one story to end this post on.
I do so despise when troons 'n' poons I'm tracking wind up banned, such as with li'l dood tempohclock, because I love to watch their post-op downward spirals; alas, we will simply have to savor the last post she made before losing her account in which OP resents the chode she had her chacha chewed up for to such an extent she actually told her surgeons she would kill herself if it didn't get bigger over time. Last Post Link | Archive
Content Warning: Depression, suicide, heteronormative sex and concepts of virginity Being trans male often means compromising on a lot.
I have lost my entire childhood. I have missed out on romantic and sexual relationships. No matter what, I will never be able to properly ejaculate, get hard naturally, or impregnate a woman. Size was the one thing I told my surgeon I would not be willing to compromise on. I am NOT ok with anything below average. I want to be above average to compensate for all the functions my dick will never be able to do.
I wanted 6.5 but my surgeon said they wouldnt go 6 or above because no ED can reliably support that. I explicitly said I want 5 or up or abort the surgery. I asked to get as close to 6 as possible and they gave me a GRAFT that is 5.75 but that in no way guarantees it’ll be anywhere near there.
I woke up with 3.5 inches propped up vertically. It is 4 inches at a 45 degree angle at 2 weeks post op.
They lipoed my thigh so they could do double tube ALT. I like the girth but if it stretches and gets longer it will also get skinnier…
Fuck my life. The PA told me it would actually shrink with time, which isnt entirely true, but it made me spiral quite a bit.
I expressed my distress to my team. The lead surgeon comforted me and said give it time and itll be closer to 5.75 as it heals.
It comforted me for a bit but the more I look at people waking up 5 inches and above, I cant feel fucking okay with it. It looks so tiny. It isnt nearly thick enough to support getting properly longer.
I plan to give it the year to heal but knowing there is nothing that can be done if it heals under has severely affected my happiness. I genuinely refuse to live with below average.
I cant be happy like this but I cant do a redo. I cant do electrolysis again, fuck up my good remaining leg, go through the stress of it. I already lost my childhood to being forced in the closet and I am hitting mid 20s. I dont want to lose my 20s too. I want to have “normal” heterosexual sex. I think I am barely a step above a virgin because I never had PIV sex that involved flesh on flesh, strap ons and prosthetics to me dont fully count, honestly - that is my personal definition and varies by person, I know I personally am so exhausted with my body that I am okay ending my life if it doesnt get bigger.
I even told my surgery team that. Dont try to call the cops on me because I am not at current risk to myself and youd just make my life more miserable and I will then actually do it.
I know that sounds dark but I believe that is my eight to decide. If it doesnt get better when it heals, that is my right to choose quits, and I will.
EDIT: Im not saying it CANT get better but I am just expressing how unhappy I will be if it doesnt. I dont want people to tell me to accept an outcome I dont want, please. I am looking for hope
Genuinely did not realize there was a dick anywhere in that. Looked like two extremely strange and detached balls slapped onto a pubic bone.
Side question: Who on earth is convincing these delusional assholes that they'll ever pass with their pants off? If their tit chop/addition goes Perfectly those can at least be within the range of human normal but the dogs and ditches always look wrong, even when they're supposedly the 'best possible outcome'. Also ngl if my vagina was as gaping as these are I'd be so ashamed of my whoring ways and also freaked the fuck out over what I'd done to break those muscles
Best guess, at least for trannies? Combination of poor sex ed leading most people's understanding of female anatomy to come from porn, and porn does not exactly give you an idea of what vulvas look like "at rest" or have any regard for the natural variation in them. Anyone can take a look at things such as the Gynodiversity project and compare them against even the most "passing" of horror-holes and realize that they will never measure up, but it's not really widely regarded as necessary knowledge in general.
I won't post the entire PDF page by page here since it could derail easily into people gawking at nature-made pussy like a bunch of schoolchildren, but here's a couple pages that you can use against any tranny that shows up to claim that that even gynecologists can't tell the difference.
As for pooners, I have absolutely zero idea how any of them are remotely satisfied with their results. The best ones I've seen look like realistic dildos: odd proportions, strange texture and we know for a bonafide fact that they don't function the way natal penises do.
For both parties, though, much of it is the sunk cost fallacy and pinning all of their future happiness on a dream; to admit that they were sold a fantasy is brutal enough, but imagine giving up your ordinary, tactile, functioning genitals to pay for it. Thus, it behooves them to believe with their hearts and souls that they can pass as the other sex, because confessing otherwise risks both ostracization and emotional despair, and these are not stable people.
Funny enough, this actually gives me a good excuse to share a different post I meant to include in one of my compilations, as even troons 'n' poons have observed a discrepancy in terms of outcomes... Link | Archive
[–]growflet It's easier to trim something down than it is to build something up.
That's the core of everything. Also, selection bias. I suspect the surgeries are better than you might think.
[–]MimusCabaret
Considering the amount of cis and trans people that shit on phallo results there are very few completed phallo images available to the public at large. Mostly what you see is half done work - the finished product looks as real as a vaginoplasty.
-edited for spelling, damned autocorrect
That for sure, but it also is much more drawn out and complicated process. Assuming someone has no major healing problems beyond common complications and no financial barriers, they can have a cis passing penis if they go through all the steps. Not everyone does, though. It’s a lot to go through. Some of us decide to stop before completing those other steps because where we’re at is good enough to alleviate dysphoria and further surgeries/treatments just aren’t worth it.
Most pictures you see of these things are early stages, because that's when people are going to doctors and such.
It's months later before everything is fully healed, and who is going to go back into the doctors for genital photos to be posted on the internet?
Basically nobody.
While it might be good advertising for the surgeon, who wants pictures of their genitals posted on the internet, forever to be used as an advertisment?
Basically Nobody.
Same is true with vaginoplasty and any other surgery like FFS, etc.. because no one wants that comparison on the internet forever. Especially if there's anything not perfect, because the internet being what it is, any flaw in the results or picture is going to be held up by anti-trans people as an excuse.
Imagine being trans and seeing your before and after pictures in the hands of conservatives mocking you?
So the real answer is that you CAN see these things sometimes, in private, during a consultation with the surgeon, with physical pictures in a binder that cannot be reposted everywhere. If you do an online consultation, it's unlikely for you to be shown pictures - due to privacy concerns, sharing the pictures online can mean that they get reposted.
This is why you also CAN see pictures of trans men with shirts off after top surgery, because it's socially acceptable for men to have shirts off. You can likely find a hundred pictures of that in a minute. And many trans men like being able to do that first the first time.
[–]DisWagonbeDraggin Probably because phalloplasty requires more stages to reach the “final” result compared to vaginoplasty
[–]Technical-Ad6355
More difficult, there's a reason it has to be split into multiple stages.
[–]Guava_Budget i wonder if the trans community will ever stop comparing and shitting on these intense surgeries. people talk about them as if real people don’t go through this lengthy, difficult process. this rhetoric is played out and tired
[–]EchoNB
I suspect you might not have looked for fully healed people who goy phalloplasty done. The penises created with phalloplasty can look identical to a circumcised penis.
[–]TheAnnoyingWizard Have you actually looked into healed post-tattoo phallo in any way? They 100% pass as natal penises
Also its not "less researched" ffs the surgery was developed around the 1950s, itd nearly 100 years old
, but I’ll be having hair removal once I’m cleared too. My arm wasn’t very hairy and my surgeon didn’t feel I needed to have any hair removal prior to surgery. So I’ll be having it during my recovery. And the dark blue area at the underside/base of my phallus is my tattoo.
