AO3 is 53% female +[x]% genderspecials (likely women)
Well, yes. But how many of them are those mythical majority of women who write straight couple fics? If you look into statistics of Ao3 the gay is twice if not thrice the size of the straight ships and the straight ship category is shared by both male and female writers.
Yes. There are more male gooners writing now than before, although they usually branch out into visual novel stuff.
Heated rivalry begs to differ. The book/comic section always had a section for this kind of thing. Gay fanfiction used to be printed in magazines before the internet. "Interview with a vampire" writer and similar women like her were also around before. I would say, the phenomenon *was* rather underground at the beginning but it grew and grew, especially with internet coming into picture. The image of it being this innocent online underground phenomenon is what lets these women play the victim, claiming their community must be therefore harassed for no reason.
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A community survey with methodology explained (Archive) was conducted by a turbowoke AO3 poweruser with more fine-grained gender breakdowns (who constantly apologizes for treading on fragile woke toes with the question phrasing and demographic breakdown, even sneeding about responses that said "sex not gender" on the gender identity question lol).
I consider this a weird double standard in favor of women as well, because if a straight man said he liked Heated Rivalry or whatever fagslop the fujoshis are gooning to right now, he would raise eyebrows too. The male logic of sexuality is very simple: being into any sort of faggotry means that you are not straight. Prison gays and gay4pays may be granted an exception, but this is still debatable. If a man desires traps or troons or anything that isn't a true and honest female with tits and a vagina when female options are available, he s a sexual deviant. Male sexuality also disregards self-identification and only considers biology, meaning that a man attracted to a no-HRT he/they pooner with her tits and pussy intact is still straight, while a man attracted to a she/her troon with the girlcock intact is not.
The AO3 survey contained another alarming statistic: 90% of the userbase, which is 97% female and 68% white (79% if mutts, spics and kikes are included), identifies as LGBTQ+.
Fujoshis are gender non-conforming tomboy girls who feel uncomfortable with stereotypical gender roles, and don't want to imagine women in their fantasies because women remind them of female gender roles or Fujoshis are heterosexual women who want to see two hot guys instead of one hot guy - does not explain why yaoi is so feminine and aligns perfectly with heterosexual gender rolesFujoshis are gender-conforming girly girls who feel inadequate when they think of Stacy, and prefer to write her out of their fantasies - does not explain why they can't be like BookTok and write relatable plain jane female self insertsFujoshis want to be NLOG - does not explain why they participate in a subculture full of other girls just like them
stamp of approval. Homosexuality is both the least intrusive of the woke leftist relationship ideals and (in the 1990s-2000s when fujoshism was gaining ground) an easy filter for fellow progressives because conservative women hated fag ships. At first, fujoshis simulated heterosexual relationships by making the shorter guy girly, emotional, and taking it up the ass. Then troonism arrived, and once fujoshis realized that gender non-conforming heterosexual (relative to their birth sex) trannies occupy a very high position in the oppression hierarchy, they had their Fujoshit is popular in MENA and Southeast Asia. You can't convince me these regions are all superwoke and superleftism.
In a conservative region, the intrigue of fujoshism is the taboo relationship. The "Our love is illegal" trope. Not relevant in regions that blow smoke up the collective asses of the LGTV+. But the ideological theory also applies somewhat to conservative regions based on how a lot of SEA fujoshis come from wealthy English-speaking backgrounds (relative to the average SEAmonkey) and are exposed to a lot of Western discourse. If you're poor in a MENA/SEA shithole, you're not reading and writing fanfiction on the internet.
That might've been the case at one point, but we've had excellent female characters in certain IPs - Studio Ghibli is one example - so now it's a matter of fujos simply not interacting with them because they don't like them. They will admit they are jealous or threatened by the woman and will not read wlw because it focuses too much on the female experience. The things they hate in "hetslop" they will heartily consume in omegaverse, for example.
Yaoi and yuri has its start in Japan and China is actually big on yaoi ships, regardless of the CCP's ban on AO3 and the production of said products. Thailand also has a market of BL dramas, but as you can imagine, only the pale ones sell, lmao.
Fujoshi-ism started in Japan in 1970s and started in America in 2000s. No girl who wrote fanfiction and jerked off to hetalia was bullied by woke leftism into doing this when hetalia was the "current thing".
This honestly might explain why LGBTQ yaoi/yuri stories are bigger than straight stories. I discussed this in the Serious LGBTQ discussions thread but will say here. The center argument for why "queer" stuff is so big right now with people like this is because its a "trend" but here's the problem. How long has this trend lasted? It feels like its been going on for over 10 years now. I mean I've herd that Covid lockdowns didn't help because that's also where transgender identification rose, but even still I feel like the whole being "queer" has evolved into something that's more than a trend. I've seen people change the definition of queer to where its now define as being "Cool, rebellious, a logical thinker, and different" and its like these people are adopting the LGBTQ as something that you aren't born into, but an alternative cool life style. Its pretty much become a new kinda religion to them. To these people above, I truly believe that they've brainwashed themselves by social justice to where they've convinced themselves that straight ships are "oppressive, anti LGBT, etc" and have to queerify a ship, unless you're seen as a "heretic". I've seen this in real time where this one Twitter user I follow claimed to be a "cis, straight, white boy" and loved this one popular straight ship. Nowadays, he identifies as a demiboy and he now trans the straight ships to make it queer because his followers most likely convinced him of how "boring" the straight ships are. Dude even uses terms like "Hetslop" for any new straight ships despite the fact that he still claims to be straight.
This statistical anomaly within a white female supermajority paints a clear picture: AO3 and everything associated with it is a model example of social failure caused by destructive ideologies driven by female peer pressure. I would like to propose a Unifying Autistic Theory of Fujoshis originating from this principle to explain the explosion of fujoshism itself in the 21st century.
MENA regions especially North Africa have lots of hidden pederasty and Southeast Asia doesn't need comments. Still not woke however.
I was focusing on cultures that had already accepted and embraced faggots in the analysis. For cultures that hadn't, such as pre-2000s America and pre-2010s Japan, the motivation was the taboo of an illegal relationship.
Straight couple fics are not being written by men. Straight shippers are mostly women, just as Harlequin romance readers or Hallmark watchers are mostly women. The non-shipping gen fics are mostly written by women or girls, too.
If this is true then that means Fujos are kind of similar to other people really into stuff like incest. The community of the players and the author of the coffin of Andy and LeyLey provides some good evidence for this.
I think it is worthwhile to comment on the different elements present within pornography here. A sexual fantasy doesn't have to just contain one thing it can appeal to multiple elements of attraction.
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I think you're missing forest for the trees. The motivation is that male on male is hot for straight and bisexual women. That's it.
There is a support to the claim with the statistic provided by @Iodine with which I can't argue against.
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A few users had already mentioned it, but yaoi as a phenomenon starts it's roots in countries that are instead insanely traditional, with stricter chokehold around how women and men must behave. Mainly Asian countries, early 70s in it's modern understanding, through fanfiction and fan circles around media with mainly male cast and very limited or sexist female depictions. The slash fanfiction in west also has similar starting with fanfiction around media like Star trek (while outstanding with representation for it's day, the narrative is dominated by male characters while the female ones often are used for sex appeal). That is to say, the dreaded woke West had also been (and still is in places, with wokeshit highlighting said places. Not addressing or debating sense, mind you, but *highlighting* through mistakingly showing restrictive sexist stereotypes as something liberating) traditionalist around gender roles at the time.
Following your logic of debunking theories, if that was solely the case, why couldn't these fujoshit women be into the opposite sexed dynamic of forbidden lovers instead? You would say that's because to an average fujoshi woman there are no cases when realistically a man and woman couldn't be together in the modern world, but the imagination/reality are endless with possibilities and all sorts of situations. They aren't as interested in forbidden love between women either, usually depicting lesbians as a happy couple on the background. And do you think western fujoshi wouldn't name a similar reason to like yaoi? It's like their cliche response, no matter the country
This is a fantastically excellent point about what I wouldn't call necessarily the cause but definitely the mechanism of the Fujoshi impulse. It especially gets interesting when you think about this in the context of teenage girls having trouble figuring out how to integrate sexual attraction and relationships into their lives successfully. In a way even the like 40 year old women gooning to fujoslop are in that mold of that young woman frustrated about the role she can't fulfill.
This is so good and such an excellent observation. Very Very good.
).I think this is wrong and betrays an unfortunate misunderstanding of the past. It's hard for us with our modern and post-modern ways of thought to understand what life was like for the people in the past. This is true of me too and I feel like I've gotten a better view than most.
This is dumb because straight heterosexual women aren't going to be attracted to lesbians for the same reason straight men aren't attracted to gay porn. This is kind of the point I was trying to make with the bottom half of my earlier post. It's not only the taboo nature that is appealing it is also the other stuff that goes along with it that is necessary. And the sexual desire to break taboos being present is connected to a failure of current societal expectations regarding your Gender role working for you. If that happens to you then you feel a need to break out or escape from those expectations and even to flaunt them.
Very true. This reminds me of the joke that is the FTM and MTF heterosexual relationship. You went a long distance to just get to where you started because in order for things to work properly you need certain things.
This is absolutely occurring. There is a weird game going on where some stuff is banned and you really cannot cross the line, but you can't have stuff that is too vanilla or conventional because its boring.
Jesus Christ, I stand corrected about literally everything I said in that post.
Pardon me, but I don't get your theory. Are you saying that restrictive gender roles are causing mental stress to people and encouraging them to turn to fantasies that break gender roles, or that a certain group of people are so autistic about gender roles that they fantasize about breaking them (but fail and loop back to affirming gender roles because they're too autistic to think out of the box)?
I agree with this, but I sense that we believe the origin of the "deformed view of sexuality" is different. My theory is that the "deformed view of sexuality" is the leftist view that blindly subverts traditional gender roles 'cause tradition le bad o algo. The problem is, traditional gender roles arose from biological constraints that humans still face. People who subscribe to the deformed view of sexuality (leftists) waste a lot of their mental energy fighting against biology and turn to strange copes that ultimately embrace biology, like fujoshism, to relieve the mental stress of this one-sided fight.
To be clear, I'm not negating the effect of "two guys are hotter than one guy" for a straight woman. It's definitely in there. But the output of this desire is unexpected when you compare it to the male equivalent. Lesbian porn for men always contains two feminine women who are both attractive to the male viewer, while gay porn for women contains one masculine man who is attractive to the female viewer and one feminine man who is a stand-in for the female viewer. What's up with that? You'll never see a butch dyke meant to be a male lesbian porn viewer's stand-in. Something must have been twisted from the base biological desire of "males are hot" to use a male-in-name-only as a stand-in for a female. You could say that female sexuality is inclined to self-insert, but why not self-insert as a normal female instead of a small-chested female using he/him pronouns? The noticeable trend is that as a culture gets woker, female depictions of homosexual males become more heterosexual. Long-haired twinks taking it up the ass in yaoi from fag-hating countries become pooners with breasts and vaginas in the MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+ worshipping West. That's why I believe that wokeness has something to do with it.
The other reason is that a lot of heterosexual forbidden or taboo romance dynamics include at least one unattractive character to people without a fetish for that specific trait. Age gap? Old is unattractive. Poor male-rich female? Poor male is unattractive. Short male-tall female? Short male is unattractive. Race gap? Non-white is unattractive. Wokeness reees at the remaining attractive taboo dynamics (rich/powerful male-poor female, illegal taboos) as problematic, so faggotry is the only remaining option.
They don't actually break gender roles. Here is a thread from someone who wrote one about a man getting jealous over his own children as a cutesy kink. It's an omegaverse AU and is the shortest way to get into their way of thinking. If you think this is anything other than a bodice ripper Bridgerton knockoff, you're a transphobe. First archive. Second Archive.
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