The Final Fantasy Thread

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Xavier Renegade Angel said:
You are so right. Rebirth is at least somewhat fun to play 16 they had no confidence in and out all their budget in rebirth. Did 16 sell more then rebirth? I'd imagine E33 sold more then both. 7R would have sold better as turn based and an actual remake and not a kh clone.
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Im not sure but they definitely moved away from being exclusive and started releasing everything multiplatform after rebirth and 16, so there clearly wasn't enough of an install base on the PS5. This is even with sony ponying up the money to make it an exclusive.

I think square is in a better place right now, but the reason for the radio silence on a lot of projects is they've basically used the last 3 or so years to reorganize the company and how they make games. It's part of the reason why they are leaning away from mobile titles. I suspect Dissida was late enough in development it would be cheaper to release then cancel outright. Also there's a lot of rumors of a console or PC port.

They appear to be gearing up for some major announcements.
 
Berrakh said:
Golbez and his towers

I think the Moon is mentioned by one astronomer NPC so I always felt it was included to be a Final Frontier for the endgame. Since just about every FF has something like that.
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This isn’t a criticism by the way. Games need a little gratuitousness. It’s reddit to demand everything be “accounted for” in fantasy.

It would be bad if it was a movie ig but that’s because movies operate on a certain economy.
 
Berrakh said:
Golbez and his towers

I think the Moon is mentioned by one astronomer NPC so I always felt it was included to be a Final Frontier for the endgame. Since just about every FF has something like that.
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The Astro Tower is two NPCs and a telescope and it somehow does narrative work. I love that thing RPGs do where they're like “hmm the moon seems kinda evil lately”.

The Tower of Zot, which is basically just the Tower of Babil... Square realized hmm we better not reuse this dungeon three times.

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The Tower of Babil is just a giant robot delivery system, and Golbez needs 8 crystals to activate the apocalypse machine because it's Final Fantasy.

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What gets me is, I'm out here throwing a key down a well in Agart and the fleet is already in the underworld.

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It's just like in Skies of Arcadia, we're adventurers exploring the unknown and the Beefeaters are already there, oh hey yeah we colonized this rock last Tuesday actually.
 
Lundgoff said:
The enhancements Ito made in Zodiac Age were peak.

Too bad the retards at square seem to have forgotten that Ito exists
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Ito seems to have been thrown off into some dark corner of the company of something, given the only things he's really done since like 2009 is supervising Zodiac Age and directing Dungeon Encounters, which looks like it was made off a budget of $10 and a free lunch.
 
I feel like this thread is quite pro-FFXII.

As an aside I like Golbez’ “org” since it’s like an insurgency of monsters. Reminds me of Psaro DQIV (Sephiroth inherited his looks).
 
Berrakh said:
As an aside I like Golbez’ “org” since it’s like an insurgency of monsters.
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Exdeath is recruiting! We’re reopening the Void, huge growth opportunity, monsters encouraged to apply.

Meanwhile in IV, the Fiends show up and I have no idea who they are. They're not from the Moon. The moon is full of weird silver haired guys. If Golbez had real followers, they would just be other Lunarians, right?
 
Captain Syrup said:
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Exdeath is recruiting! We’re reopening the Void, huge growth opportunity, monsters encouraged to apply.

Meanwhile in IV, the Fiends show up and I have no idea who they are. They're not from the Moon. The moon is full of weird silver haired guys. If Golbez had real followers, they would just be other Lunarians, right?
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I don't remember if Golbez even knows he's Lunarian. Either way those blokes are all asleep.

The monsters are just the terrestrial, cthonic evil of that planet that man probably beat back long ago since Cecil says "boy it's weird monsters are starting to start shit lately." And I guess it makes the idea of Baron invading other Human Kingdoms a bit more of a revolting development.
 
Berrakh said:
imo IV stands out because it had decent villains up to then. While Xande was almost as distant as Cloud of Darkness. And primordial darkness had featured before then.

Zemus isn’t discussed at all until near the end. And then you don’t even fight him. He just turns into Zeromus, which is a different entity.

When FF Fans talk about the underwhelming final villain it’s always because there was a good villain right there.
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Changing my mind on this one a bit. Zemus was fine since we already beat Golbez before, so he’d be a bad final boss, and I think it’s a bit much to reveal the Moon setting then complain about a new final villain coming with it. He is mentioned by the… Lunarian dude there while both the Giant and Lunar Subterrane are long/hard enough that a lot of practical time will have passed.

Zeromus is still silly though.
 
Berrakh said:
Zeromus is still silly though.
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IV is basically the Bible but translated by Ted Woosley. It's God vs Satan except they’re named like “FuSoYa” and “Zemus,” and Golbez and Cecil are like Cain and Abel.

And then at the end Zeromus is like, “I will live on in the hearts of assholes with huge shoulder pads evil men."
 
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Captain Syrup said:
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IV is basically the Bible but translated by Ted Woosley. It's God vs Satan except they’re named like “FuSoYa” and “Zemus,” and Golbez and Cecil are like Cain and Abel.

And then at the end Zeromus is like, “I will live on in the hearts of assholes with huge shoulder pads evil men."
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yea a couple of FF's get dangerously close to apeing other plots, FF12 is so close to being Star Wars (IMO, even better than the thing its apeing in terms of dialogue and plot structure, no offense to Star Wars the OG trilogy)
 
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