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gemboy said:
it's a bait for faggots who don't use linux to do the actual tasks

I bet you've never contributed to anything even remotely close to gnu/linux
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You’re a femboy anime avatar on Kiwi Farms arguing against turbo dorks that run Linux and talk about stuff that grinds their gears. I don’t wanna hear anything remotely related to contributions from a 2026 join date that has all the telltale signs of a histrionic troon. At least Libreleah has libreboot to his name. You have nothing. Fuck off back to whatever tranny gooning groomer discord server that spawned you.
 
Dread First said:
You’re a femboy anime avatar on Kiwi Farms arguing against turbo dorks that run Linux and talk about stuff that grinds their gears. I don’t wanna hear anything remotely related to contributions from a 2026 join date that has all the telltale signs of a histrionic troon. At least Libreleah has libreboot to his name. You have nothing. Fuck off back to whatever tranny gooning groomer discord server that spawned you.
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>run linux
congrats on figuring out how to install mint
>2026 join date
even more congrats on spending 10 years on an incel website
>liberal
I'm actually far-right and whiter than you abdul
>troon
I'm a man
>grooming
projection

Keep coping
 
DavidS877 said:
Bait. As those of us who have contributed since the 1990s can't say anything more than that for fear of being doxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxed.
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Thanks for contributing to the foss, this information will be considered

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Dread First said:
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Thank you for the detailed reply. I completely understand that the main argument against Wayland is the fragmentation it causes in its ecosystem, but in my perspective, this is less of a bug and more of a feature since it allows downstream compositor devs, i.e. Hyprland, KDE, GNOME etc., to have greater control over how they implement various key features. To me, the greater degree of agency being in the hands of compositor devs leads to a hackier environment where everyone has carte blanche to do shit the exact way they want to. You can argue that the lack of standardization leads to confusion, but why should the upstream decide the way key system features are implemented? Giving the compositor dev the ability to define how keybinds, monitor handling, screenshotting and so on are all implemented seems like the philosophically correct angle. It also kind of lets you pick and choose more, and choice is always a positive. IF you don't like Gnome's handling, Hyprland or Sway might work better, and so on. Freedesktop is absolutely an impotent shell of its former self that serves little more function than a CoC enforcement janny, but as proven by Hyprland, you do not have to follow or even cooperate with them at all. If you want something done right, do it yourself, right?

For instance, one big part of Wayland that I have a problem with is wlroots. Aside from the big DEs like GNOME or KDE, or AFAIK only Hyprland and Niri, everything runs wlroots as a hard dependency. This is the suckiest part of Wayland because it both defeats the purpose of providing just a bare instruction set that devs can use to implement features as they wish, and it also defeats the security argument people love to bring up since it exposes wlr-screencopy, which lets any app take arbitrary screenshots without notifying you. Beyond that, its big and bloated, reliant on big protocol extensions, and embodies the faggot "move fast break things" philosophy that messes with anyone using it every time Drew "Nigger" DeVault decides to fuck with it. I legit have a storng feeling that a lot of the time people talk about Wayland being trash, they mean wlroots.

General Zoider said:
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That's another thing, X is designed by default to be a networked system where everything has access to everything and runs as a client process fo the X server. Just as it is good for you or anyone that wants to essentially just client-server and use their remote device as a thin client for their static one, it is dogshit for ye olde one computer setup because you aren't remoting into anything. Why I don't understand the tribalism and emotions floating around the issue is that you still have a choice for what to use, you are not being forced to use Wayland, nor are you being forced to use X. I am ardently in support of XLibre becasue it represents an evolution of that choice and a way for the RH-throttled X server to endure, but that doesn't make it not have flaws. Both have flaws, lots of them, but that is just because all software is dogshit that you have to beat into submission. X is just the more difficult of the difficult of the two to work.

Betonhaus said:
with xorg the specification was written based on the code, while wayland has a specification where everyone has to make their own code. and the Specification is crap, containing glaring omissions and insane restrictions that require circumvention and bypasses that don't translate from one implementation to another
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Is this about the keylogger again? I have never understood the argument against app isolation in Wayland. It just seems like a blanket positive in comparison to X's way of doing things where everything can see everything else at every time. It sounds disturbing on paper and I legit cannot see a reason for why you'd want it to be that way. X assumes that you trust everything on your system hence the wack "treating us as enemies on our workstations" comment people love to cite. Wayland assumes an untrustworthy system by default, which to me at least, is the saner way to approach it. Security by default, right?
 
Ferryman said:
You can argue that the lack of standardization leads to confusion, but why should the upstream decide the way key system features are implemented?
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Philosophically, I agree that Wayland's comparative freedom allows for greater flexibility and more discretion on the compositor developer to implement whatever they want. That's honestly one of the reasons why I respect Hyprland despite vastly preferring Openbox for ricing purposes (What? No! I didn't spend half my high school years learning Openbox's obscure XML syntax just to get upstaged by some sweaty faggot running i3, whatever do you mean?)

The biggest issue I have with the lack of standardisation, insofar as the compositor specification is concerned, has to do with downstream application developers targeting Linux as a platform. On X, everything's already been settled for the better part of several decades. On Wayland, the technology is novel and how you render display and package your binary will ultimately reflect the assumptions you make. GTK is the predominant standard bearer for Linux GUIs, but Qt is cross-platform in ways that GTK can only dream of. Standalone WMs and novel desktop environments need to make pertinent choices in how they handle their compositing.

Ferryman said:
Is this about the keylogger again? I have never understood the argument against app isolation in Wayland. It just seems like a blanket positive in comparison to X's way of doing things where everything can see everything else at every time. It sounds disturbing on paper and I legit cannot see a reason for why you'd want it to be that way. X assumes that you trust everything on your system hence the wack "treating us as enemies on our workstations" comment people love to cite. Wayland assumes an untrustworthy system by default, which to me at least, is the saner way to approach it. Security by default, right?
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Hot take: I think that Canonical's Mir was honestly the correct approach insofar as novel display protocols were concerned. Wayland assumes an untrustworthy system by default, and preemptively destroys tons of legitimately useful functionality in the process (re: global hotkeys, primary monitor, VNC, etc). Mir, conversely, took the Wayland assumptions and modified them to better accommodate desktop and workstation users. Unfortunately, Mir itself wasn't good software. Yet the idea behind it was definitely valuable. I can't argue the feasibility over the long term, but I feel like Wayland should've had some level of flexibility the way other Red Hat-sponsored technologies like SELinux and Firewalld do. Fedora itself already makes broad concessions with Firewalld to open up more ports by default, whereas SELinux policy technically needs to be modified by the user before it takes effect. If Wayland and SELinux gave the end user broader latitude on any given Fedora system to decide their security model, or even dropped the threat model down to a similar wavelength as what they have on Firewalld, that would honestly be a welcome change.

Ferryman said:
That's another thing, X is designed by default to be a networked system where everything has access to everything and runs as a client process fo the X server. Just as it is good for you or anyone that wants to essentially just client-server and use their remote device as a thin client for their static one, it is dogshit for ye olde one computer setup because you aren't remoting into anything
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I would like to chime in and say that X is far more amenable than Wayland is for my specific situation. I run an Ubuntu home server, I have a minimal graphical environment to do some basic troubleshooting that I don't wanna do the whole CLI shtick for. VNC is invaluable to me because my home server doesn't have any monitor leads. Using a Wayland-first distro (i.e. Fedora Workstation or Fedora Plasma), VNC is a non-starter because Wayland removes that option entirely. I need to rely on RDP, which technically gets the job done, but not in a manner that I find satisfying, let alone ergonomic to use semi-regularly. On Fedora Cinnamon, which is Xorg-forward, VNC is effortless and honestly much more comfortable to use. I can't give a technical explanation beyond RDP feeling jank, laggy, and like I'm fighting against my computer vs. VNC actually feeling buttery smooth because it has access to framebuffer data (I think that's what it is, anyway).
 
a big gripe I have with linux atm the complete insanity between hardware and software if you want to even attempt to setup secure boot. You can do everything right and still end up running into errors like:

Code: 
couldn't sync keys: could not enroll built-in firmware keys: open /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/dbDefault-8be4df61-93ca-11d2-aa0d-00e098032b8c: no such file or directory

Yes I know secureboot is the devil, but I just wanted to see if I could set it up just in case I may need it for security reasons.

Edit: funfact this seems to be an issue with either lenovo or modern uefi implementations because older ryzan 3 machines that arent from the same manufacturer dont seem to have this issue.
 
⠠⠠⠅⠑⠋⠋⠁⠇⠎ ⠠⠠⠊⠎ ⠠⠠⠁ ⠠⠠⠋⠁⠛ said:
you support the jew-lover Poettring, you will never be White
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Because they are killing a lot of shitskins just like you, abdul
⠠⠠⠅⠑⠋⠋⠁⠇⠎ ⠠⠠⠊⠎ ⠠⠠⠁ ⠠⠠⠋⠁⠛ said:
yes, you will always be male (but not a man) no matter how much you wish otherwise
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I don't want to be a woman, having a dick and a masculine body is way better. I know that you wish you were born a woman, short brown chuddie
 
gemboy said:
Because they are killing a lot of shitskins just like you, abdul
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Hey, don't make fallacious accusations of the braille man being a brownoid. That's me! I'm the resident brownoid! I thought I was Abdul; I was gonna correct you and say that it's pronounced "Abd al-Aziz ibn Marwan al-Kiwi." If you're gonna be a threadshitter like Slav Power once upon a time, you should have the decency to lurk more at the barest of minimums.

Damn threadshitting soyteens. No respect for their elders, let alone norms. :'(

gemboy said:
I don't want to be a woman, having a dick and a masculine body is way better. I know that you wish you were born a woman, short brown chuddie
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You're the one out here with a stylised Astolfo avatar with the name "gemboy." Even if you ain't a troon, you're a colossal faggot. Also, allow me to show you how "short brown chuddies" react to faggots like you:

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(Sidenote: there was once an edit of this that I had that went "POV: you committed زِنًا" but I lost that a while ago :( )
 
Dread First said:
Hey, don't make fallacious accusations of the braille man being a brownoid. That's me! I'm the resident brownoid! I thought I was Abdul; I was gonna correct you and say that it's pronounced "Abd al-Aziz ibn Marwan al-Kiwi." If you're gonna be a threadshitter like Slav Power once upon a time, you should have the decency to lurk more at the barest of minimums.

Damn threadshitting soyteens. No respect for their elders, let alone norms. :'(



You're the one out here with a stylised Astolfo avatar with the name "gemboy." Even if you ain't a troon, you're a colossal faggot. Also, allow me to show you how "short brown chuddies" react to faggots like you:

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(Sidenote: there was once an edit of this that I had that went "POV: you committed زِنًا" but I lost that a while ago :( )
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Astolfo is cute, and gen-z females actually prefer slightly feminine gen-z males. What's wrong with that? Nobody wants to fuck an ugly shitskin redneck that looks like a lumberjack nowadays, ew. Though I can still bet that I'm straighter than all of you here

>slav power
Is it a nickname? I agree with it, we are whiter than all of you

Hi warrior 'p
 
gemboy said:
Astolfo is cute, and gen-z females actually prefer slightly feminine gen-z males. What's wrong with that? Nobody wants to fuck an ugly shitskin redneck that looks like a lumberjack nowadays, ew. Though I can still bet that I'm straighter than all of you here

>slav power
Is it a nickname? I agree with it, we are whiter than all of you

Hi warrior 'p
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This is why I use Fedora.
 
Does anyone know why there is no serious pushback in the biggest projects? Nobody questions whether they should merge the PR, its always the BS like "well yes there is a privacy concern, but you could improve your if statement on 192, so if you fix that's its good to merge".. Its like the contributors font have the higher faculties to consider anything above how the code is implemented. Why?
 
Sperg_rancher said:
Does anyone know why there is no serious pushback in the biggest projects? Nobody questions whether they should merge the PR, its always the BS like "well yes there is a privacy concern, but you could improve your if statement on 192, so if you fix that's its good to merge".. Its like the contributors font have the higher faculties to consider anything above how the code is implemented. Why?
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Because all the principled developers got sidelined in their own projects by authoritarian vultures and anyone who dares say otherwise loses their paycheque forever.
 
gpg said:
theres still alot of people who play games that need a kernel anticheat, like LoL, valorant, etc, theres also many people who are simply convinced that linux is only for 1337 haxxors and you need to write 2619 lines of codes just to install a browser and most of them arent too keen on atleast trying linux
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Their loss.
 
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