GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Curry Teafag]

I hate AMD's PPT faggotry. You just can't rely whatsoever on it. My 5700X is apparently a 76 or 88 W PPT, depending on the source, but in reality will draw some 125 W on full load (although this is only achieved in benchmarks, not under normal use), and that's what the cooler ultimately needs to be able to handle.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I hate AMD's PPT faggotry. You just can't rely whatsoever on it. My 5700X is apparently a 76 or 88 W PPT, depending on the source, but in reality will draw some 125 W on full load (although this is only achieved in benchmarks, not under normal use), and that's what the cooler ultimately needs to be able to handle.

I asked the machine gods about this:

While 88W is the officially defined max PPT for 65W TDP AM4 and some AM5 chips, it is common to see them slightly exceed this value (e.g., 90W-91W) in heavy, all-core workloads or when Precision Boost 2 (PB2) deems it safe to do so based on thermals.

Precision Boost 2 Overrides: Even at stock settings, the motherboard and CPU often allow temporary power spikes above the nominal 88W limit if the chip has thermal headroom (usually up to 90-95°C).

Motherboard BIOS Behavior: Many motherboards enable Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) by default or use optimized boost curves that allow the CPU to push beyond official spec, even without user intervention.

 

[Curry Teafag]

The machine gods are wrong.

Casual full load with a desktop app will get it above 100W already, and a full-on benchmark will get it above 120W. I'm using a compact 92mm cooler which would be more than enough to cool 88W without producing much noise, but AMD is gay.

 

[LegoTugboat]

There's a paywalled interview with an Apple hardware technology designer on the German site Mac & I about the M5 series.

It's nothing special, but the most interesting part is the name of the Apple employee., Anand Shimpi.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Besides WINE, Proxmox might be the answer to your problems. Run your Windows installation in a VM with hardware passthrough, provided you have enough RAM for both Windows and the hypervisor. It can actually be faster on some occasions.

No. Unless things have changed dramatically, virtual machines are not the panacea for retro PC games the proponants claim.

There's an old Ross video I've not been able to find for years that shows my point well. Yes, you can boot the games. You can run the games. But there's technical errors, and you're missing key graphical and audio features. Things like proper texture filtering and anti-aliasing. There are post-hoc fixes for these things, but the XP rig is specifically to avoid all these compatibility issues.

This all might have changed, I don't know.

Won't solve the lack driver updates. In 2028, the 10 series will be 12 years old. If you just want to crystallize 2010s gaming in time, sure, Proton will probably have you covered by 2028.

This will be for old games. The "newest" game I'd run on it would be 2018 (Valkyria Chronicles 4), which ran fine on that system under win 7, and maybe some 90s games. But mostly it's for 2000s era games. Alpha Protocol, Legendary, Singularity, Dark Messiah of Might of Magic, Binary Domain, Sin Episode 1, that sort of era.

 

[George Lucas]

okay and? i still said about the issues of not having TPM, which was the main point of the post i quoted, yous nigger.

not necro at all, a good thing about blower card is the TDP being immensely high because of their insane rpm, but that comes at a price...
i often see chinks offering me MI50's with a blower extension which looks something that is obviously made for a build you will have nowhere near you.

Skill issue

 

[Curry Teafag]

No. Unless things have changed dramatically, virtual machines are not the panacea for retro PC games the proponants claim.

There's an old Ross video I've not been able to find for years that shows my point well. Yes, you can boot the games. You can run the games. But there's technical errors, and you're missing key graphical and audio features. Things like proper texture filtering and anti-aliasing. There are post-hoc fixes for these things, but the XP rig is specifically to avoid all these compatibility issues.

This all might have changed, I don't know.

Hardware passthrough is specifically supposed to fix that. Instead of emulating a GPU, the guest OS gets full control over the physical one. The hypervisor itself doesn't need a GPU (once it's set up, anyway), as it's supposed to be managed via a web interface or console from another computer.

These are ideal assumptions and YMMV, but did you even try?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

There's a paywalled interview with an Apple hardware technology designer on the German site Mac & I about the M5 series.

It's nothing special, but the most interesting part is the name of the Apple employee., Anand Shimpi.

Reminds me of the time Future plc deleted the AnandTech archives for no good reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand_Lal_Shimpi

On February 15, 2020, Bloomberg reported that Anand sent confidential documents to Gerard Williams III after the latter had left Apple to form NUVIA.

 

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I still have my AGP 7900 GS

That thing is pretty much the best AGP card besides the HD3850 and 4670, put that shit in a little display box and repaste it if you plan on using it


And while we are speaking old GPUs I have a fewteen of them but I'm not sure what operating systems to choose for them. These are the Quardo FX3450, GTX8800, GT9600 and a GTX260. Is the Quadro too old for general Windows XP gaming? Or is the 260 the sweet spot? Or maybe should I get a second 8800 and run them in SLI?

Also, I need help here, does Windows XP have some sort of limitation in terms of RAM or the amount of cores? I went the lazy way and just attempted installing it on a machine with dual six core CPUs and 96GB of RAM, but the installer kept shitting itself. Windows 7 ran just fine though

 

[Curry Teafag]

That thing is pretty much the best AGP card besides the HD3850 and 4670, put that shit in a little display box and repaste it if you plan on using it

One downside of GF 7 is the lack of native PhysX support (that is only available with GF 8 and up), although I personally cannot think of a single game that would run on this thing sufficiently well that even uses PhysX. The few ones on my list generally need newer, stronger hardware, and along with it, a newer Windows version than XP.

So, yeah, a 32-bit XP build would be feasible with this card. I have the choice of a Pentium 4 (32-bit single-core with HT/SMT) or an Athlon64 (64-bit single-core w/o SMT). My hardware is very solid overall, but the mainboards of the era are generally a weak point.

Also, I need help here, does Windows XP have some sort of limitation in terms of RAM or the amount of cores? I went the lazy way and just attempted installing it on a machine with dual six core CPUs and 96GB of RAM, but the installer kept shitting itself. Windows 7 ran just fine though

Google AI, citing an older compuram.de article, says:

Windows XP (32-bit) supports a maximum of 4 GB of RAM, though typically only around 3.1 GB to 3.5 GB is usable due to memory mapping for hardware. The 64-bit version of Windows XP Professional supports up to 128 GB of RAM, while the Starter Edition is limited to 512 MB.

Thus, as usual, stick with the higher-end versions. Do not use Home, Starter or similar crap.

 

[unaboomer]

Also, I need help here, does Windows XP have some sort of limitation in terms of RAM or the amount of cores? I went the lazy way and just attempted installing it on a machine with dual six core CPUs and 96GB of RAM, but the installer kept shitting itself. Windows 7 ran just fine though

It's probably a compatibility issue with your chipset. You might be better off running it in a VM.

96GB RAM shouldn't hurt anything, 32bit Windows XP simply won't use more than 4GB, which is more than enough for workloads of that era. I wouldn't recommend 64bit Windows XP because driver support is poor.

 

[The Ugly One]

There is no point to running 32-bit Windows XP on a machine that wasn't designed for it. Get a Core 2 Duo box for $10, put an X800 in it for $30, and you are ready to game like it's 2003.

 

[Betonhaus]

is there a point where you could build a minimal hypervisor that just bootstraps Windows XP inside a virtual machine automatically?

 

[Betonhaus]

is there a point where you could build a minimal hypervisor that just bootstraps Windows XP inside a virtual machine automatically?

You could also have some perks like a web interface or something that you can access from within the VM to manage the system, such as setting up drives and printers in a way that the VM can use and access them.

 

[DavidS877]

You could also have some perks like a web interface or something that you can access from within the VM to manage the system, such as setting up drives and printers in a way that the VM can use and access them.

Sounds like a good project, have fun.

 

[Curry Teafag]

Also, I need help here, does Windows XP have some sort of limitation in terms of RAM or the amount of cores? I went the lazy way and just attempted installing it on a machine with dual six core CPUs and 96GB of RAM, but the installer kept shitting itself. Windows 7 ran just fine though

One thing I forgot to mention: You can use the physical address extension (PAE) with some 32-bit versions of Windows (XP SP2 through 8.1) to overcome the 3-4 GiB limit. I did use it on a laptop running Win 8.1 32-bit back in the day to get a bit more out of the available RAM.

 

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There is no point to running 32-bit Windows XP on a machine that wasn't designed for it. Get a Core 2 Duo box for $10, put an X800 in it for $30, and you are ready to game like it's 2003.

I admit the idea of running Windows XP on that machine was dumb, my excuse here is I have so much LGA775 era shit lying around I essentially got bored of it. Maybe I'll attempt doing it again with a more careful approach since it has native SLI and SAS support


I think I will get one of these open bench acrylic cases for the C2Q machine, they don't make motherboards with funky colors like this anymore

Spoiler: Photo

Projectile vomit of different colors sure but it has it's own charm

One thing I forgot to mention: You can use the physical address extension (PAE) with some 32-bit versions of Windows (XP SP2 through 8.1) to overcome the 3-4 GiB limit. I did use it on a laptop running Win 8.1 32-bit back in the day to get a bit more out of the available RAM.

Yes, I've heard of this fix eariler too but my single attempt at installation was unprofessional as fuck. I believe I was booting 32-bit SP3, but hardware was 99% responsible for the issue. My best bet is that either the second CPU was just too much to handle for the OS, the amount of RAM was too big or the hard drive controller was incompatible.
The machine itself is a Dell T7500, it has an onboard LSI1068E and I think I attempted installing directly to a SAS drive there.

I won't give up on trying to put Windows on that machine, but for extra spicyness I'll go with a RAID0 of four 15kRPM hard drives and make zero backups

 

[Curry Teafag]

I won't give up on trying to put Windows on that machine, but for extra spicyness I'll go with a RAID0 of four 15kRPM hard drives and make zero backups

That's my boi.

 

[Brain Problems]

At risk of opening a can of worms, how many of you guys actually use Linux on a day-to-day basis or on your personal machines? I haven't touched it in about 20 years (Ubuntu and I think FreeBSD unsure) and I found it more irritating to use than efficient and that's ignoring my crippling addiction to computer games creating an added layer of annoyance.

If I wanted to try it out today what would you recommend for dipping your toes in without being so wildly annoyed that you go back to blowing Bill Gates on the Lolita Express again? Part of me wonders if/when Valve actually releases their SteamOS to the wide world to install like you would any other OS it might really be the big one but I really don't follow this aspect of tech that closely.

 

[Betonhaus]

At risk of opening a can of worms, how many of you guys actually use Linux on a day-to-day basis or on your personal machines? I haven't touched it in about 20 years (Ubuntu and I think FreeBSD unsure) and I found it more irritating to use than efficient and that's ignoring my crippling addiction to computer games creating an added layer of annoyance.

If I wanted to try it out today what would you recommend for dipping your toes in without being so wildly annoyed that you go back to blowing Bill Gates on the Lolita Express again? Part of me wonders if/when Valve actually releases their SteamOS to the wide world to install like you would any other OS it might really be the big one but I really don't follow this aspect of tech that closely.

I use Linux Mint on my main computer and it runs fine. Better than dealing with the bloated and ads of Windows 11, and it just works. I did have issues with sleep on my previous computer but this one is fine.