GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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oh no its pipkun said:
is there a need to buy/build a new pc? im still running i7-3xxx/4xxxx and ryzen 1xxxx and gtx1080s pcs, and not missing anything game wise. is it a new game that requires the dlss or did your pc die? fsr and dlss look like shit to me.
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Are you having trouble running the games you want to play? If not, no need to upgrade. Steam will drop support for Win 10 sooner or later, and that's when you'll really have to buy a new machine.
 
The Ugly One said:
Are you having trouble running the games you want to play? If not, no need to upgrade. Steam will drop support for Win 10 sooner or later, and that's when you'll really have to buy a new machine.
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I didn't consider that. that fucking sucks. hopefully i age out of gaming and just need a gpu that does decent, fast h265 encoding decoding.
 
The Ugly One said:
Steam will drop support for Win 10 sooner or later, and that's when you'll really have to buy a new machine.
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You can install Win 11 IoT on hardware that would otherwise be unsupported by Win 11. It doesn't require any specific modern features, certainly not a TPM.
 
oh no its pipkun said:
hopefully i age out of gaming
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got bad news for you bucko

Curry Teafag said:
You can install Win 11 IoT on hardware that would otherwise be unsupported by Win 11.
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I seem to recall people doing this running into driver & compatibility issues that require some DIY to fix. There is the additional problem that NVIDIA is ceasing all driver updates for 10 series cards in 2028.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Are you having trouble running the games you want to play? If not, no need to upgrade. Steam will drop support for Win 10 sooner or later, and that's when you'll really have to buy a new machine.
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Or put linux on it.

unaboomer said:
Speaking of period correct, I had the displeasure of owning the notoriously maligned FX 5200. Watching my PC struggle to run Unreal at 800x600 is a thrill I'm happy to leave in the past.
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I forget what I had in my first build. I want to say it was a 5500, and it struggled to play Halo at a decent frame rate (still beat it many times). Then I got a 7600 or something like that and the difference was night and day.


unaboomer said:
Re: XP GPU
Are you targetting driver support or period-correct performance? Period correct is going to be more expensive if you want a decent card, as surving units are becoming rare. If you just want driver support, the Firepro W5000 (circa 2012) is dirt cheap and will outperform anything made in the 2000s.
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Driver support. I have a thread about this from years ago. But to give a quick recap of where things currently stand.

I wanted to do a native win XP install and play my collection of 250+ games of that vintage. I have a 1024x768 CRT in storage (I assume it still works). I didn't want to run a virtual machine because of emulation issues. I don't care about making period accurate everything as most of the internet insists, but I did want the hardware to natively support it. The rational was avoid technical issues like in the start of this (10 year old :cryblood:) video.
I never got around to setting it up, and might be a good thing because I doubt I'd go through the hassle of actually using it.

I do have my old winXP machine, but it won't post. The win 7 machine has a Haswell era cpu iirc. What I do remember it was the last (or one of the last) to support winXP without errors.

These days the advice is to run Linux, which supposedly does a great job with XP era games due to advances made with WINE and Proton. Thereby skipping the need for XP compatible hardware, with the benefit of being able to run newer games too, if I decide to do that. Supposedly it handles notoriously difficult games like Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth and FEAR without issue, but I don't know for sure.
 
The Ugly One said:
I seem to recall people doing this running into driver & compatibility issues that require some DIY to fix. There is the additional problem that NVIDIA is ceasing all driver updates for 10 series cards in 2028.
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you can't even use windows update, which will constantly break, especially apps that use that shit, unless you activate or buy a shitty TPM 2.0 module.
source: i have a shitty mobo that needs the shitty tpm module to be bought and it's relatively expensive.
 
Judge Dredd said:
These days the advice is to run Linux, which supposedly does a great job with XP era games due to advances made with WINE and Proton.
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I can vouch for WINE running XP era games. It's probably the one thing I've seen it do well, even surpassing Windows native compatibility modes.
 
Judge Dredd said:
These days the advice is to run Linux, which supposedly does a great job with XP era games due to advances made with WINE and Proton. Thereby skipping the need for XP compatible hardware, with the benefit of being able to run newer games too, if I decide to do that. Supposedly it handles notoriously difficult games like Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth and FEAR without issue, but I don't know for sure.
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StacticShock said:
you can't even use windows update, which will constantly break, especially apps that use that shit, unless you activate or buy a shitty TPM 2.0 module.
source: i have a shitty mobo that needs the shitty tpm module to be bought and it's relatively expensive.
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Besides WINE, Proxmox might be the answer to your problems. Run your Windows installation in a VM with hardware passthrough, provided you have enough RAM for both Windows and the hypervisor. It can actually be faster on some occasions.
 
Curry Teafag said:
Besides WINE, Proxmox might be the answer to your problems. Run your Windows installation in a VM with hardware passthrough, provided you have enough RAM for both Windows and the hypervisor. It can actually be faster on some occasions.
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the point was win11 install being messed up without TPM...
bruh i'm not polish and our resident windowsfag was mutt'd so i don't really care about linux on a windows related issue.
 
I use about 2/3 my 12(?) Pis as point-of-use devices and integration with hardware. So there's the Z-Wave pi, the Weather Station Pi, ADS-B, YOLO image parsing etc.
The others are just single purpose ones that do dedicated tasks like the torrent pi, the vxlan router pi, etc. These could easily be containers or VMs but they're simple and work fine. Larger stuff like the MariaDB and NextCloud does run on as containers on my main file server.

StacticShock said:
the point was win11 install being messed up without TPM...
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Right, then proxmox or qemu can emulate the TPM to keep Win11 happy with the graphics direct to the hardware.
 
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Overly Serious said:
Do blower style cards make a lot of noise? I'm making some final decisions about GPU purchases and whilst I can meet the power requirements for this card, I've never had a blower style card before and this will be a desktop in the same room I work and a normal PC mid-tower case with three fans (two front, one rear, but option to add top fans if I chose). I want to know if it will be very noisy or hard to cool.
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bit of necroposting but having one is like having a jet engine in your pc

was a fun topic in 2000's that newest 512 mb ATI gets your pc to fly like a fighter jet would
 
Curry Teafag said:
Proxmox can emulate a TPM, you retard, so even if you do not want IoT, you can still install a non-IoT Win 11 on it.
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okay and? i still said about the issues of not having TPM, which was the main point of the post i quoted, yous nigger.
Masturbator said:
bit of necroposting but having one is like having a jet engine in your pc
was a fun topic in 2000's that newest 512 mb ATI gets your pc to fly like a fighter jet would
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not necro at all, a good thing about blower card is the TDP being immensely high because of their insane rpm, but that comes at a price...
i often see chinks offering me MI50's with a blower extension which looks something that is obviously made for a build you will have nowhere near you.
 
Aborted Drink Combo said:
"AMD Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X leak with 120W TDP and higher clocks"

An extra 55w for 100MHz.
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The 65W TDP 9600X and 9700X can use up to the 88W PPT under load, and AMD released a firmware update allowing the TDP to be configured to 105W without breaking the warranty or anything, since Zen 5 didn't impress at launch, and the 7600X and 7700X were 105W parts.

The advertised maximum turbo clock is typically for one core, and it definitely doesn't need another 55W to push one core up another 100 MHz. The 120W TDP is largely irrelevant for gaming, but could allow higher clocks on all cores during a heavily multithreaded workload, if sufficient cooling is present.

They're also raising the base clocks of each by +400 MHz, and I have no idea how they decide those.

In short, these are not consuming ~85% more power most of the time, and especially not in gaming.
 
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