Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
Yeah, probably. Depends on what you mean by "soon." I'd say it still likely falls within the four to six week timeframe we were told it would be from the start.
May go a little longer, may go a little shorter. Getting bogged down with hard timelines is how you let the enemy know how long they need to hold out before they "win."
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They still haven't changed the timeline and said we were ahead of schedule.

Let's see where we are in a week.
 
Ghostse said:
Iran: *literally pisses off the primary military force of NATO, gets bombed into oblivion, still talks shit*
You: Clearly Iran would NEVER challenge NATO.
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There is a big difference between shady hybrid warfare tactics and launching an all out conventional attack. Iran thought it was being clever, subverting the US in ways that could further their proxy wars in the Middle East without inviting an all-out attack. For a long time this strategy has had some success, furthering Iranian interests in places like Iraq and Syria without provoking a war with America. They thought they could get away with this forever, and evidently they were very wrong about that.

Hybrid warfare tactics (terrorism, sabotage, espionage, assassinations, cyber attacks etc) are used precisely to avoid a direct confrontation while still undermining your rival. If they merited a conventional response then Russia and NATO would be at war right now.

A very definitely NOT clever strategy would be firing ballistic missiles at random European countries for no reason, guaranteeing an Iran-NATO war. Which is why there was never any prospect of them doing that. But now you're shifting the goalposts from that to a vaguer notion of "challenging NATO".

Ghostse said:
Not to turn this into Ukraine chat
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Yeah I agree, we are going a bit off topic, so I'll just say I agree with you that the European response to Crimea in 2014 was abysmal and a major part of why that war started. Granted the US response courtesy of Obama wasn't much different. I'm not going to disagree with you that Europe is full of useless leaders who make bad decisions, I would just add that you cannot assume the European interest is always in alignment with the US interest, and even when they do align, priorities can be different as well.

Ghostse said:
In 1966 Charles De Gaulle withdrew France from NATO and ordered all American military personnel be withdrawn from French soil.
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Well there is context for that - a similar story to today actually - in 1957 the UK and France planned an operation with Israel to seize the Suez Canal, which had just been nationalised by Gamal Abdel Nasser, President of Egypt. They did so without consulting the US. Did the US send troops to back up their allies? No, they demanded an immediate withdrawal and threatened financial pain if they refused. The UK and France capitulated, which was humiliating for them. From their perspective, they were protecting a vital strategic asset for the Western alliance, and they were stabbed in the back for it. Even those who saw merit in America's concerns about the operation still felt betrayed by their heavy-handed response.

Then there was the Algerian War. Algeria was not just a colony, it was an integral part of the French Republic. It had a massive French settler population. Losing Algeria was as painful for France as losing Texas would be for the US. However, the US actively opposed France in the war and pressured them to give up the territory. Because the US saw it as a colonial war (not wrongly, if we're being honest) and was committed to decolonisation, and was also worried about the Algerians turning to the communists. This was a deep betrayal for France.

So, from the perspective of the French, you have two huge betrayals in the space of a few years. The French were not seeing the US as an ally, but as an overlord that was actively against French interests. Their decision to leave the NATO command structure (but not NATO itself) and evict US troops was about asserting their sovereignty and preventing themselves from becoming too reliant on an unreliable ally. They still wanted to be on side with the Americans, just not under their boot. Ironically De Gaul and Trump would've agreed on a lot.

Ghostse said:
The US is not asking for Europe to sacrifice 250,000 of its own citizens and billions of dollars because the US wanted Peace in Our Time. That ask was for using bases, and sending some ships to escort oil that goes to European markets.
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In a way, the US is asking Europe to accept the worst of both worlds. That is, to accept all the moral, legal and diplomatic liabilities of being part of this war, but without any of the operational oversight or a stake in the shape of its outcome. Why would they do that? A symbolic gesture? Out of a sentimental attachment to the alliance? We're well past that point. Trump has made it quite clear that NATO is no longer an ideological or familial alliance - it is a cold, pragmatic partnership that only has relevance when interests are at play.

But who knows, maybe what we are seeing right now is all performative. Maybe the Europeans know it will take time to get assets ready, and they are just using that time to make a fuss and twist Trump's arm to make a deal. Maybe they can get something from him in exchange for military support? If that is how business is done these days, might as well get in on the game!
 
MetokurGroomedMe said:
i have never once seen a kikesperg (not even saying you, you're anti-israel but have retained the ability to hold a conversation, genuinely impressive and i appreciate it, being anti-israel myself. i'm simply MORE anti-muzzie) even once actually say a word about any of these lobbies. they pretend AIPAC is the only lobby that exists, while ignoring that real estate lobbyists and security/investment firms are far higher, and that the biggest lobby in the entire country is for retired boomer faggots.

there's your reality. the biggest pro-israel lobby isn't even fucking aipac, it's evangelical boomers who want the third temple built (and then subsequently destroyed) to mark the coming of Jesus. they are heretical sectarians attempting to force the day of Christ's return.

even the next lowest lobby after israel, education, is more of a problem in the US itself than the israeli kikelobby. have you fucking SEEN the state of public education in this country?
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I never really understood why America accept lobbying as a whole. It feels like the easiest way to corrupt a government.
 
IDF Publishes additional footage of strikes on Iranian soldiers in a military site in western Iran



Yesterday (Tuesday), the Israeli Air Force identified Iranian regime operatives at a military site in western Iran. The Israeli Air Force targeted the site and eliminated several operatives.

In the aftermath, the Israeli Air Force identified additional operatives at the site. Some attempted to flee and were eliminated in several separate strikes.

Their elimination was made possible due to the Israeli Air Force’s aerial superiority in Iran, which was achieved with strikes on hundreds of the Iranian regime’s air defense systems throughout the country.
 
CaliforniaRaisin said:
It is entirely possible, in fact, probable, that no footage was captured by Iran. Given the advanced tech of that Carrier, I am highly skeptical a dryer lint fire was capable of that kind of damage as well. Something doesn't add up here.
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Our "advanced tech" fucks up all the time. Three of the tanks in my company were taken out of service because the onboard fire suppression systems activated on startup in the absence of any fire, while sitting in the motor pool.

Obviously not the magnitude of the problem with the carrier, but it did sideline 3 M1A1's for a couple of months until the problem was tracked down. Turned out it was a short in a wiring harness specific to those three. Major pain in the ass. Glad it wasn't my tank.

These sort of things happen.
 
Delicious Diversity said:
Then there was the Algerian War. Algeria was not just a colony, it was an integral part of the French Republic. It had a massive French settler population. Losing Algeria was as painful for France as losing Texas would be for the US. However, the US actively opposed France in the war and pressured them to give up the territory. Because the US saw it as a colonial war (not wrongly, if we're being honest) and was committed to decolonisation, and was also worried about the Algerians turning to the communists. This was a deep betrayal for France.
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As a French, I don't fully agree with this. We won the Algerian war, but politically we decided to let them go, mostly because De Gaulle though that having such a Muslim/Algerian population in France would result in the Islamisation and destruction of France. He wrote about it in his Memoirs. We don't talk enough about how De Gaulle was profundly Catholic. For him, Vatican II was the worst event of the last century. He would have do everything to stop Islamisation of the country.
The ones who deeply wanted to keep Algeria were mostly ultra-nationalists who only saw the loss of the colonies as a treason. Ironically, they founded the National Front, and right now it's the main political party against the Algerian presence in France.

Delicious Diversity said:
So, from the perspective of the French, you have two huge betrayals in the space of a few years. The French were not seeing the US as an ally, but as an overlord that was actively against French interests. Their decision to leave the NATO command structure (but not NATO itself) and evict US troops was about asserting their sovereignty and preventing themselves from becoming too reliant on an unreliable ally. They still wanted to be on side with the Americans, just not under their boot. Ironically De Gaul and Trump would've agreed on a lot.
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French diplomacy right now is trying to fill the void of a major leader in Europe. Since European Union is mostly a progressive leftist organization, and most countries agree with that, we're against the Trump administration. We (our government, I don't agree with that) are not so much against US than against the Trump administration. There wasn't much division between Europe and Biden.

Unredacted TND said:
Disagree, Israel also consistently said regime change is not the goal.
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That's the only plan that seems logical for them. Making the worst shithole of a country counting 90+ millions people would be a disaster for them I think. I don't trust those reports that Israel only wants destruction, they will agree happily with an allied Iran, and they also called for their historical proximities between Persia and Jews.
 
JeanRob1 said:
I feel like US feels almost ready to go home with a Islamic regime complying, but Israel won't accept anything but a new regime.
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I think that's always been a possibility that we'd accept an actually compliant islamic regime (in the same way we accepted Venezuela post maduro) however I just think the idea of a "compliant regime" from the powers that be in Iran is just a mythical unicorn concept that will never actually exist. They're all in on the kool-aie and just arrange for 3-4 replacements for any position we might kill and would just as happily swap in those replacements for anyone that ever thought of compliance as well.
 
Burnt Fish said:
I think that's always been a possibility that we'd accept an actually compliant islamic regime (in the same way we accepted Venezuela post maduro) however I just think the idea of a "compliant regime" from the powers that be in Iran is just a mythical unicorn concept that will never actually exist. They're all in on the kool-aie and just arrange for 3-4 replacements for any position we might kill and would just as happily swap in those replacements for anyone that ever thought of compliance as well.
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Brother, powers that be in Iran are the jews. Did you not see, they are in your traffic cameras :story:
 
HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS said:
When are they going to start going after terrorist supporters and not just leaders. I want to see these mass rally bombed to shreds.
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Once the order is given to throw the government I'd assume. It's going to be happening fairly soon by the sound of things and Israel hitting checkpoints
 
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Every few hours with these fuckers it's the same shit "now we start to truly fight" "Now the consequences will never be the same" "the final line has now been crossed, all out war begins now"

And every day we're reminded that among things that pose a risk to US forces in this conflict, Iran itself somehow ranks lower as a risk than "taco night on the carrier"
 
nelly98 said:
But they're retarded muzzies so I guess they get what they fucking deserve.
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Im going to go off an autistic tangent, but Irans missile program sucks. For accuracy and precession, they're terrible.

Take a look at the Iskander which was released in 2006. Now theres been upgrades over the years, but it's way more advanced than anything Iran has. The Iskander missile has DSMAC Digital Scene Matching Area Correlator. Its a system that takes pictures and processes them during the missiles terminal phase right before impact. Its a very special camera that matches imputed images to confirm the right target. Accuracy and precision are excellent because its like photo ID for the target. Some use a combination of LIDAR, IF and other tools like the US, but thats the concept. Also the Iskander missile has onboard kinetic defense. Once the cruise missile detects radar activity, it shits out these little "radio flares" automatically to decoy and fool radar into missed targets.

As far as Irans missiles go, there is zero sign of this ingenuity or advancement. They all use some combination of inertial and GLONASS/ GPS guidance. The issue with GPS/GLONASS is that it can be jammed easily unless you have anti-jamming radar and better guidance. They rely on inertial guidance but that his the fundamental problem of drift. Drift means small guidance errors. They add up over long distances and you accuracy suffers a lot when it finally reaches the ground. As far as I can tell, all Iran has done is try and make their advance 'hypersonic' missiles change course and fly through the air 'better' but the targeting is still lacking. Iran also has moved onto solid fuel rockets which are more stable and easier to launch. Meanwhile the US is 3D printing solid rocket fuel in layers for optimal thrust during each phase of burning.

The cluster munitions are giant cope. Its like taking a shotgun to the targeting map because your missiles can't guarantee an accurate hit. Yes, they are killing people and causing damage, but none of it is calculated. Its a sign of weakness and the only thing they have left since they can no longer saturate the area with a number of missiles since all their sites and launchers are getting blown up.

Maybe Ill make an longer post about this, but Irans missile program has just gotten 'faster' not more accurate. They're about 30 years behind in all aspects except speed and that only applies to the Fatah 1 & 2 hypersonic missiles.
 
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If Iran can't even stop the protestors from partying in the streets anymore, there is a 0% chance they have any 'major response' lined up for America besides bootleg drone strikes.
 
Burnt Fish said:
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Every few hours with these fuckers it's the same shit "now we start to truly fight" "Now the consequences will never be the same" "the final line has now been crossed, all out war begins now"

And every day we're reminded that among things that pose a risk to US forces in this conflict, Iran itself somehow ranks lower as a risk than "taco night on the carrier"
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eye for an eye, eh? sounds like they're excited about getting the pipes on Kharg hit.
 
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