Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

All memes and online racism aside, it's wrong to establish a British "hurr, they're brown, so they're retarded" view of the world. It only will hurt you in the long run, there are MANY MANY muslims and arabs that are wicked smart, the problem is that they are like the Irish, the few that are smart are VERY smart, but the vast vast majority are very stupid, and it doesn't help that since the Israelis destroyed the belief that is Arab nationalism in 1973, the larger arab world has pivoted to Islam to guide them. This means that an entire society is being groomed to unquestioningly listen to the masjid. At the worst, you end up with Afghanistan, where the leaders have a formal Western education and the rest can't fucking read. This is why Palestine doesn't exist as a state despite the world giving it everything. The problem is that if you have a tradition of anything that isn't a complete dictatorial rule, it never actually works. This is why Azerbaijan (although the soviets buck broke the stupidity out of them), Turkey, Bosnia, Iran, Albania, Indonesia, and Kosovo aren't complete messes. They lack the arab tribalism that Islam tends to promote. (which makes sense, it's an Arab supremacist faith). Remember, outside of Ottoman Turkey and Egypt, most of the lands were governed through a system of tribute (speaking in general terms), in most areas, as long as you did what the Sultan asked when he called upon you, the tribe ran the show.


Always remember the tiers of importance in the arab world. The most important is the family (extended family counts here), then comes the tribe, then comes the faith, then comes the state. Aka: this scene

I don't like to compare things to movies, but Lawrence of Arabia really showcases this. In many ways, large portions of the Arab world haven't advanced. The full movie is free on youtube, fucking watch it.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

UAE might as well just declare themselves Jewish at this point with how many missiles Iran keeps autistically launching at them.

the plan for greater israel grows further along its path. all according to keikaku.

ok but to an extent you're just playing semantic games with this explanation.

when people say "regime change" they mean removing the old government and forming a new one (what the hope is with an Iranian uprising in Iran)

Not "the regime changed it's mind and now acts differently while being the same people"

if you're stupid maybe. if you're intelligent you understand that all that matters is the outcome, not the ants in the hill.

 

[mindlessobserver]

UAE might as well just declare themselves Jewish at this point with how many missiles Iran keeps autistically launching at them.

Word on the street (of Paris) is the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia have all told Trump that they don't care WHY he decided to throw down with the Iranians now. All they want is for him to break Iran totally at this point so the threat of this won't hang over them ever again.

The pain tolerance of the Gulf States at this point is very high. They are willing to suffer in the short term now if the Iranian State is buck broken in the long term future. I would be willing to bet this pain tolerance would not have been so high had Iran not decided to lob missiles at them.

This is also bad news for the EU if they are hoping for any swift end to the conflict. The Gulf States are really the only partners the USA will listen too about the progress of this war. If they were to start demanding America knock this shit off, America would have to eventually concede or lose its position in the region. The fact that America has not backed off yet is strong indication the Arabs have given the USA the green light behind closed doors.

 

[JeanRob1]

ok but to an extent you're just playing semantic games with this explanation.

when people say "regime change" they mean removing the old government and forming a new one (what the hope is with an Iranian uprising in Iran)

Not "the regime changed it's mind and now acts differently while being the same people"

Yeah I know. But what is the will of the US government by doing so ? I don't think Trump would really care if Iran was ruled by an IRGC commander following the orders of the US.

the plan for greater israel grows further along its path. all according to keikaku.

When I see the shitfest that is the Middle-East, I'm thinking that a Greater Israel wouldn't be that bad for the world.

 

[JustSomeDong]

I don't like to compare things to movies, but Lawrence of Arabia really showcases this. In many ways, large portions of the Arab world haven't advanced. The full movie is free on youtube, fucking watch it.

Watch it just because its a brilliant piece of cinema. Hell. I was planning to watch The Quiet Man this evening, now I'm torn...

I'd watch it now, but I find Father Ted better background noise for St. Pat's day shitposting/cooking purposes.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

Iran is already being ass-fucked without NATO. Why would we need NATO to ass-fuck Iran? We're asking for some support and you effeminate losers ask like we're asking you to storm the beaches of fucking Normandy alone. You are so unbelievably weak but you're right, we should have let Iran nuke you before we started this.

Can you not follow the argument? I was explaining why Iran would probably not want to fire missiles at Europe before the war started; that is, to avoid being bombed by NATO (which yes, basically means the US). Was that not clear?

You didn't ask for our support, you launched this war in cooperation with Israel alone. It's only after you started it that you ask for help. I can see the merit in European countries assisting the US with this operation, but when you phrase it like you just did, it seems apparent that the right response would be to tell the US "your problem, not ours, get fucked". Why on Earth would we want to join a war with people who tell us we should obey or get nuked? I don't think capitulating to US pressure is the position of strength.

We are helping you shoot down Iranian drones. We are not helping you bomb Tehran. You don't need our help and we have other priorities closer to home. Maybe next time you want a coalition, try building one before you start a war, rather than starting a war and expecting everyone to just go along with it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

problem is that they are like the Irish,

It's St. Patrick's day nigga, come on

 

[Kyria the Great]

How do you beat someone who just won't accept they've lost and will keep doing the same thing over and over even when you deprived them of most comforts of modern life? Im honestly stumped how to beat a group like that short of carrying out horrific levels of genocide.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Better to have a cynical look from an intelligent person who knows how the system works

I am still convinced Israel is the house of the nations. It exists because someone told them it can't.

Israel's early association with Jewish Communists in Europe and North America is the primary reason the country is viewed with extreme suspicion. They did move away from them after the Yom Kippur War when it became patently obvious Israel was as much a target of the Economic and Race Communists as the Western Block was. But there are still a shit ton of old Jewish Communists still in the west shilling the same shit they did back in the 50's and 60's and the hang over from that is real and manifesting these days.

The early Israeli communists used to get into riots with the zionists. This is because early zionists (at least the leaders from Eastern Europe) were socialists (or fascists, depending on the time we are talking), but still wanted to keep their Jewish identity (as a race/people) instead of the "international worker" that the communists were spouting. Jewish Fascism died when Hitler rose to power, and Israeli communism died when the "Drs Plot" happened, and the commie Jews realized that, yes, Stalin was a virulent antisemite (the death of Stalin and the secret speech also did a number to destroy it).

Always remember if you were a eastern european jew in the late 1800s early 1900s, the only way to stop the Cossack raids were a) become a communist and overthrow the regime that sends the cossacks, and establish a society that "removes all differences in anyone" b) fucking move to the usa because americans don't have the centries of bullshit antisemtism and religous nonsense c) move to Israel and make your own country were being a Jew wasn't an issue d) stay and try to convice the locals that you are not what they accuse you of.

What happened to these groups:

a) the communists ate themseleves and the deeply antisemitic Russians took control of the entire operation and didn't give the jews the equality they wanted

b) They moved to America and became American Jewish society

c) They made modern Israel

d) They all died in the holocaust.

 

[Next Door Jimmy]

Can you not follow the argument? I was explaining why Iran would probably not want to fire missiles at Europe before the war started; that is, to avoid being bombed by NATO (which yes, basically means the US). Was that not clear?

I thought your argument was that someone needed to be nuked by Iran first before you would be motivated to act. I thought you were volunteering.

You say you don't know or don't think Iran would nuke a European country but now thanks to the US military, you do know. They won't. Sleep a little better or not. Doesn't matter, you are a non-factor on the global scale because it's all happening without you.

 

[Zoobles]

How do you beat someone who just won't accept they've lost and will keep doing the same thing over and over even when you deprived them of most comforts of modern life? Im honestly stumped how to beat a group like that short of carrying out horrific levels of genocide.

effect a regime change against their will using popular support and create an exiled state with no power that only exists to affirm itself

 

[CIS White Droid]

It's St. Patrick's day nigga, come on

It's really too bad we aren't also bombing the Irish right now.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

How do you beat someone who just won't accept they've lost and will keep doing the same thing over and over even when you deprived them of most comforts of modern life? Im honestly stumped how to beat a group like that short of carrying out horrific levels of genocide.

Welcome to the Israeli reality. The Palestinians have been doing this since the fucking 40s/60s, I guess you could do what Israel does.

 

[Chuckwagon]

Iranian civilians launch fireworks, dance to a 'Khamenei Is Dead' remix ft. Donald Trump and chant 'Javid Shah' in a rooftop Chaharshanbeh Suri party over in Karaj.

More revelers in Shiraz, south-central Iran launch their own fireworks & chant 'Javid Shah' tonight.

Apparently that standoff in Chitgar lasted for some time, with the Basijis taking potshots at the apartment dwellers but never actually barging in while said apartment dwellers yelled abuse at them from the windows & balconies. They also broke up a street party near the apartment complex. However, eventually they fucked off much to the cheers of the residents, probably because the guy in charge realized they'd be sitting ducks for an Israeli or American drone out there.

Abroad, Pahlavi & his wife did the fire-jumping thing for Chaharshanbe Suri as well. So did his mom, the empress dowager Farah, who's 87.

Clip of Larijani's death (as well as the death of everyone around him at the time) being announced on an official Islamist TV channel (Tasnim it's apparently called, or something like that).

. دبیرخانه شورای عالی امنیت ملی جمهوری اسلامی، روز سه‌شنبه‌شب، ۲۶ اسفندماه، کشته شدن علی لاریجانی، دبیر این شورا و پسرش مرتضی لاریجانی، علیرضا بیات، معاون امنیت دبیرخانه شورا و تعدادی از محافظان آن‌ها را را اعلام و تایید کرد. به گزارش تسنیم، خبرگزاری وابسته به سپاه، وحید فاطمی‌نژاد، سرتیم حفاظت علی لاریجانی نیز همراه او کشته شده است.

. On Tuesday night, March 16, the secretariat of the Supreme National Security Council of the Islamic Republic of Iran announced and confirmed the killing of Ali Larijani, the secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, his son, Morteza Larijani, Alireza Bayat, the deputy of security of the secretariat of the council, and a number of their bodyguards. According to Tasnim, the IRGC-affiliated news agency, Vahid Fateminejad, the head of Ali Larijani's security team, was also killed along with him.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

I thought your argument was that someone needed to be nuked by Iran first before you would be motivated to act. I thought you were volunteering.

No, it was that Europe does not expect to be nuked by Iran. Why would they nuke us? We have nukes, many more than they could hope to build. We are far away from them and don't bother them much. Their primary concerns are Israel and Saudi Arabia, their regional rivals. It would be pretty retarded of them to attack Europe of all places, not their strategic adversaries, and invoke the wrath of NATO. It would make no strategic sense whatsoever. I guess they are salty about sanctions? Still not a good incentive to nuke Berlin.

That is not to say Europe is not concerned about Iran's nuclear program, just that Europe had no reason to expect an attack on us from Iran. In any case I dunno why you are arguing this with me when I've made my position clear that I view the Iranian regime as a menace and support the US stopping them from ever building nuclear bombs.

 

[diroama]

I thought your argument was that someone needed to be nuked by Iran first before you would be motivated to act. I thought you were volunteering.

You say you don't know or don't think Iran would nuke a European country but now thanks to the US military, you do know. They won't. Sleep a little better or not. Doesn't matter, you are a non-factor on the global scale because it's all happening without you.

After the suggestion earlier I've speed read the Art of the Deal and it seems so have the European leaders.

They wanted Iran to be removed as a threat to lives and global trade, and they got Israel and the USA to pay and die for it.

That's a great deal straight from the Trump playbook. You should be impressed.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

It's St. Patrick's day nigga, come on

You know, in Ireland it's not a big deal? I was in Ireland on St. Patrick's Day, and I was shocked.

You know why that is? Well you already know...

 

[Kyria the Great]

Welcome to the Israeli reality. The Palestinians have been doing this since the fucking 40s/60s, I guess you could do what Israel does.

I was alluding to Israel because I do not envy their position as it's a quagmire where no matter what you do, people will hate your guts and any harsh actions might result in a true pariah state.

 

[Quindoll]

You say you don't know or don't think Iran would nuke a European country but now thanks to the US military, you do know

We know since June of last year. The US told us.

 

[1999 prick]

Word on the street (of Paris) is the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia have all told Trump that they don't care WHY he decided to throw down with the Iranians now. All they want is for him to break Iran totally at this point so the threat of this won't hang over them ever again.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WdSkU9w_hsE
The pain tolerance of the Gulf States at this point is very high. They are willing to suffer in the short term now if the Iranian State is buck broken in the long term future. I would be willing to bet this pain tolerance would not have been so high had Iran not decided to lob missiles at them.

This is also bad news for the EU if they are hoping for any swift end to the conflict. The Gulf States are really the only partners the USA will listen too about the progress of this war. If they were to start demanding America knock this shit off, America would have to eventually concede or lose its position in the region. The fact that America has not backed off yet is strong indication the Arabs have given the USA the green light behind closed doors.

I will have to find a couple of poosts but it seems that the idea and discussion of Iran being a dangerous neighboring nation was dancing around among gulf leaders for the longest time but was ultimately never taken seriously as they believed things would be resolved diplomatically or that Iran would be more focused on Israel rather than them.