Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

  • 🏰 The Fediverse is up. If you know, you know.
  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Asking other nations to contribute when they don't actually need to is going to backfire massively on the nations that decline to help, moreso for those that are using it as an opportunity to be smug.

What Trump is really asking these nations is: are you a serious player that is worth America's time?

The way Japan has declined can be worked with. Germany just fucked themselves over even further, like they do.
 
Onepumpplumpchump said:
Regime change was a side goal but not the main goal, if we cripple them enough to where they dont have anything militarily and there currency is useless we win.
Click to expand...
It's honestly surprising that there hasn't been more resistance internally against the regime. I say that because tehran has no water and the economy is completely in shambles because of sanctions (even if you ignore all the military shit).

This doesn't really bode well for the US and Israel because if the regime survives (and it appears it will) they will obviously stage more attacks and likely try to do so "closer to home".

The war is highly asymmetric already. Iran has cheap disposable stones and their own missiles that obviously overwhelm the billion dollar radar systems that exist. At this point it's fairly obvious they could attack aircraft carriers and basically anything.

Many of the attacks don't even cause huge amounts of damage, but even a simple and single drone strike on a military or merchant ship is enough to cause instability.

Insurance companies have already backed out and the boats will not travel because of it. All of these boats also have to be in survey and a bunch of other shit.

The profit margins on merchant container vessels are paper thin - to the extent Maersk (one of the largest shipping companies) downgraded to one ply toilet paper to save money.

I think people have the impression that these boats will just wait a bit and then things will go back to normal but in reality tons of shell companies behind the scenes will go broke and payments on loans will fail. The economic ramifications behind the scenes are just insurmountable and will impact fucking everything and everyone.

This is economic warfare and Iran is winning it. Will they win militarily? Probably not, but they can cockroach themselves to last forever and keep throwing cheap drones at trading boats
 
Onepumpplumpchump said:
Regime change was a side goal but not the main goal, if we cripple them enough to where they dont have anything militarily and there currency is useless we win.
Click to expand...
we win... "for now". All this does is kick the can for another 10 years maybe. Unless Israel goes full agro after we leave to glass the place completely. Which, if history tells us anything, they will come crawling for help the first time they encounter a retaliatory death.
 
neger psykolog said:
This is economic warfare and Iran is winning it. Will they win militarily? Probably not, but they can cockroach themselves to last forever and keep throwing cheap drones at trading boats
Click to expand...
If you bomb your enemies they win bros stay winning it seems
 
As Planned said:
Why would NATO countries get involved? This was supposed to be a decapitation strike into a leadership change by Israel and the United States. It did not work and now the two countries that caused this mess need to figure out how to get out of it.

The U.S. and Israel are bombing the entire country. Unless you want to do a land invasion with the entirety of NATO, what else can they do?
Click to expand...

This reminds me of the retard faggot sperging about Russia and 3 days, when Russia never said it was a 3 day operation. An enemy is trying to define a win condition and then declare they won because the win condition wasnt met. Pure faggotry. Regime change would be nice, but Trump is looking at this in a "crush the thing pissing me off all the time" sense, not in a "how can we do a 20 year nation building exercise that gets contracts to Haliburton" sense.

He just wants them to stop attacking the straight, once they do the IRGC can still run the shit hole if they want. This isn't conquering an area, its knocking down an enemy before they get too strong for America. For Israel, its because Bibi wants a forever war because it keeps him in power, and if he leaves on "Iran is no longer a threat" it puts him positive because I am sure people blame October 7th happening on his watch.

babyDunk said:
The truth is on the ground sentiment cannot be gauged, especially with the internet still cut off(Mossad could you deal with this?) . I was reading some articles from the MSM claiming that those who have been celebrating have started to lose hope and are down because the IRGC is still strong internally.
Click to expand...

I mean if they kept hope for 50 years, then why lose hope now? I think the bigger problems are that alot of the middle leadership they needed to organize got whacked earlier this year when the IRGC went on a killing spree, and people may have too much hope that maybe things will be better under whatever new guy pops up so lets wait and see.

Dammit Mandrake! said:
He should do it.
Click to expand...

The problem is the island is in range of artillery and drone strikes. There WILL be casualties, at least injuries if not deaths. Ukraine has showed us drones are very good at killing individual soldiers holed up in a fixed position.
 
babyDunk said:
If you bomb your enemies they win bros stay winning it seems
Click to expand...
I think people are used to typical wars where the bad guys do stuff to win. In this case Iran is a bit like ISIS and is just saying fuck it and destabilizing the world instead of actually engaging in direct warfare with their enemy.

It is irrational and "unfair" but its working extremely well. You can't really defend agianst it either unless you completely destroy leadership and all military hardware - but Iran has it all hidden in mountains and has a leadership structure that seems impossible to penetrate.

At the current rate of things, Iran seems like it will be able to keep this up for a very long time and cause huge damage to the world economy and also destabilize international cargo/oil trade as well as the many tens or even hundreds of millions of flights that are facilitated by airlines in the region.
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
Asking other nations to contribute when they don't actually need to is going to backfire massively on the nations that decline to help, moreso for those that are using it as an opportunity to be smug.

What Trump is really asking these nations is: are you a serious player that is worth America's time?

The way Japan has declined can be worked with. Germany just fucked themselves over even further, like they do.
Click to expand...
Trump sounded really fucking pissed at NATO last night while speaking on Air Force One. If there's one thing I can criticize him for, it's him not (yet) understanding just what cowardly leeches our so-called "allies" are.
 
neger psykolog said:
It's honestly surprising that there hasn't been more resistance internally against the regime. I say that because tehran has no water and the economy is completely in shambles because of sanctions (even if you ignore all the military shit).

This doesn't really bode well for the US and Israel because if the regime survives (and it appears it will) they will obviously stage more attacks and likely try to do so "closer to home".

The war is highly asymmetric already. Iran has cheap disposable stones and their own missiles that obviously overwhelm the billion dollar radar systems that exist. At this point it's fairly obvious they could attack aircraft carriers and basically anything.

Many of the attacks don't even cause huge amounts of damage, but even a simple and single drone strike on a military or merchant ship is enough to cause instability.

Insurance companies have already backed out and the boats will not travel because of it. All of these boats also have to be in survey and a bunch of other shit.

The profit margins on merchant container vessels are paper thin - to the extent Maersk (one of the largest shipping companies) downgraded to one ply toilet paper to save money.

I think people have the impression that these boats will just wait a bit and then things will go back to normal but in reality tons of shell companies behind the scenes will go broke and payments on loans will fail. The economic ramifications behind the scenes are just insurmountable and will impact fucking everything and everyone.

This is economic warfare and Iran is winning it. Will they win militarily? Probably not, but they can cockroach themselves to last forever and keep throwing cheap drones at trading boats
Click to expand...
Economically no we have put Iran in a dire situation. Before we even bombed them what did we see? The elites transferring money and wiring it to overseas accounts. Even if we leave and consider our work done the regime will die, they've fucked themselves on so many levels at this point theres no coming back from it. The people will overthrow them.
 
Onepumpplumpchump said:
Even if we leave and consider our work done the regime will die, they've fucked themselves on so many levels at this point theres no coming back from it. The people will overthrow them.
Click to expand...
People don't quite get just how weak Iran is internally because they spend all their effort projecting to the world how badass and untouchable they are. If we didn't drop one more bomb starting this moment, they could maybe survive another year or two if they beg Russia and China for help, but you can't leverage your way out of destroying your water supply and pissing off a majority of your 90 million strong population.
 
Onepumpplumpchump said:
Economically no we have put Iran in a dire situation. Before we even bombed them what did we see? The elites transferring money and wiring it to overseas accounts. Even if we leave and consider our work done the regime will die, they've fucked themselves on so many levels at this point theres no coming back from it. The people will overthrow them.
Click to expand...
Even without the US intervention, Iran is comically fucked unless they accept the Israeli water solution, which won't happen with the Islamic Regime. People will revolt, because if they don't, they won't have water in the summer.
 
ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
People don't quite get just how weak Iran is internally because they spend all their effort projecting to the world how badass and untouchable they are. If we didn't drop one more bomb starting this moment, they could maybe survive another year or two if they beg Russia and China for help, but you can't leverage your way out of destroying your water supply and pissing off a majority of your 90 million strong population.
Click to expand...

Well its not just there own population they're stranded at this point most of the Gulf States probably aren't to happy about being bombed by them. Come summer imagine how much worse it will be there wells have dried up. Imagine the George Floyd riots but 1000 times worse.
 
Putin really has the power to do something hilarious and well deserved. AISelect_20260316_124534_Brave.jpg
 
neger psykolog said:
I think people are used to typical wars where the bad guys do stuff to win. In this case Iran is a bit like ISIS and is just saying fuck it and destabilizing the world instead of actually engaging in direct warfare with their enemy.
Click to expand...
but it's not and you would have to ignore the entire ideology of the Islamic revolution in order to think this way.

The legitimacy of their entire ideology and mission is dependent on their assertion and existence as a serious state and regional center of power, it's why they completely sperg out any time they aren't "taken seriously" in their eyes and they would never tolerate being relegated to simply being a stateless ISIS like entity.

The more they are made to crumble and be made to look useless outside of being an islamist temper tantrum the more their entire asserted identity is undermined and de-legitimized. They are more comparable to an islamic Israel who's claim to relevancy is giving a "homeland" to their particular brand of theology if you de-legitimize them as a state than their entire mission has failed.
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
Asking other nations to contribute when they don't actually need to is going to backfire massively on the nations that decline to help, moreso for those that are using it as an opportunity to be smug.

What Trump is really asking these nations is: are you a serious player that is worth America's time?

The way Japan has declined can be worked with. Germany just fucked themselves over even further, like they do.
Click to expand...
Its very apparent thay the EU doesnt know how to play real politics. They're so trapped in their beurocratic mindset that they cant commit to any future vision. Spain is my go-to example here. The US and EU got in a bit disagreement a month ago over Greenland, fundamentally rooted in US doubts about whether Europe could be relied on for use of their military bases. They insisted that the US did not need Greenland because they already have access due from existing agreements. Weeks later, in their infinite wisdom, Spain blocks the US from using their bases during the Iran conflict.

Germany and France at least seem to take a more direct stance, but its clear that the position they want to take is not one of a reliable US ally, and they better be ready to face the consequences. The EU is not a superpower on the level of the US and is seriously threatened without US support.

The EU simultaneously wants the US to treat them as a serious world power and rule setter, without making any sacrifices or contributing to any implementation of hard power. They complain they arent consulted or involved in major decisions, but when they are involved they have no interest in contributing and slow things down. Its an untenable position and they will have to make a choice. If the EU wants to be an economic zone defended by the US without participating in global operations, then they need to accept that they will not be consulted on these operations, and they have no place trying to impose their will on the US with nonsense like climate policies. If they want to have a serious say, then they need to participate and show they are a real participant in these decisions. Settle disagreements behind closed doors, show public support even if they have some disagreements, and act as a real ally. They want to have their cake and eat it too - acting as a virtue signaling hall monitor without having real power is not a serious position.
 
Last edited:
neger psykolog said:
It's interesting to see what people consider a "win" condition here.
Click to expand...
Same as controlling the Panama Canal or controlling Greenland or ousting the leadership of Cuba or Venezuela - deny China access to natural resources and/or sea lanes. Whether it'll work long term is another matter but conveniently pretending the PRC doesn't exist is apparently as prevalent a passtime amongst the 'dissident right' as it is amongst socialists and environmentalists.
 
AN/ALR56 said:
Can some Arab sperg answer why the Arabs arent retaliating when Iran is non stop bombing and droning their oil refineries and cities?
They aren't even bothering to keep appearances with Israel, because they know they will get intercepted, they keep non stop bombing the Arabs instead and they don't do shit, they don't seem to be even defending themselves anymore, it's baffling
Click to expand...
Because the Arab militaries are a fucking joke. The Arabs only had a functioning military when the Egyptians were running it, and the Egyptians used it to attack the Israelis and lost everything. Since then their militaries are nothing more than internal suppression machines and also used for peacocking. That's why the Israelis are able to roll over everybody despite the Arabs buying billions of dollars worth of fancy toys.

That's not to say they're incompetent, they do have very confident units but the problem is that they're few and far between.

It's also hard to conduct an offensive war when you have spent decades telling your entire population that all Arabs are the same, and we should focus on Israel.


I will push back on the defensive thing. They are defending themselves. They just don't have the capabilities. They've decided to outsource their problems to the United States and Israel. This is why the Saudis are telling the United States and Israel to keep the pressure on against Iran because they know they can't do it themselves. And this is not an issue like NATO where certain countries are highly specialized or competent in particular areas, we're talking about whole countries. We're the only units that are actually worth the damn have like three platoons worth if that.

Versus say the Israelis who the worst you could say is that their Navy is equivalent to a European navy in terms of size, And their army, in terms of quality ranges from our tier 1 special forces best of the best to our national guard units. (Their Air Force is probably the second best in the world after hours so I'm not including it in this).


It's also an accountability issue.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom