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[Gurney Halleck]

The "exposed red brick walls" is a common comedy club backdrop. The two people shown are Tim Dillon (the guy in the sweater) and Stavros Halkias (the one who looks like a fatter, younger Weird Al).

If these comedy clubs are anything like the one I went to in Austin, the ticket price is relatively inexpensive but there's an additional fee if you don't purchase a certain value of food and drinks. It's New York so I assume 50% more than what the club in Austin had.

Funny that of someone pointing out that the beach is 90 minutes away, for most of Houston you can get to the beach in Galveston (or any of the other gulfside towns) in that same time. In fact, you could probably do all that in Houston too, with good museums, some great restaurants, and all the big city amenities, and despite rising rent still do better than NYC.

I see he wasn't talking about what "incredible food" he had. Considering how they worship what is essentially gas station food in every sense except for the fact that there's no actual gas station pumps, I doubt what they consider is "incredible food", is in fact, incredible.

It's almost certainly some sort of overpriced halal slop. Even in the dreaded suburbs I can get that!

 

[quaawaa]

Another thing I saw trending on Twitter. An urbanist with a brain points out that Japanese cities break all of the urbanist rules yet urbanists still love them:

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Calling OP a boomer for disagreeing with the hive mind:


Eight lane wide roads are more compact in Japan:

They're not one way:


Japanese highways good, American highways bad:

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While it is true that Japanese expressways are narrower than American highways (as they're often two lanes per direction in urban areas instead of 3-4), they also have way more of them (a highway every 2 kilometers in the inner city as opposed to one every 5 miles):

and they're almost always built on top of or underneath a six or eight lane road:

This makes them equivalent in lane width to many urban Texan highways with frontage roads.

Though Japan has those as well, like this one in the absolute center of Tokyo:

(Yes, that's a four lane highway next to a seven lane "stroad" with sharrows for bike lanes)



Of course, all the replies are just "Place; Place, Japan" memes:


Ah yes, American highways and their "non-grade separation":


Tokyo doesn't have endless sprawl of single family homes:


The nonexistent sprawl:


No different that you ignoring all the small residential streets in the US:

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Of course not. The American road is smaller and more human scale.

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Have some based comments:

 

[Kyria the Great]

I love the comments cut right into the heart of the blatant Anti-Americanism at the core of these types of Urbanists movements going to grossly exaggerate and/or lie about American cities all the while downplaying and or ignoring when other countries copy American design or downsides in foreign design.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

The nonexistent sprawl:

Other than a very loud I TOLD YOU GUYS!!! that I desperately want to scream- I'd like to add to that point. The sprawl in greater Tokyo is absolutely insane and, frankly, anti-human. Sure, they have amazing public transit, but most sararymen take the metro and the vast majority of them are commuting to the city center
As an example of just how bad this sprawl is, here's a random trip I took a while back, from somewhere near Akihabara to a nice beach:

Two hours by train and I didn't spot a single open plot of land, it's built-up area the entire way

 

[Midwit]

About that:

As someone who grew up in a house with two dining areas like this the one in the kitchen itself got far more use because it's much more convenient. Having two living rooms on such a narrow footprint is crazy to me though, it feels like the room behind the kitchen would be used for storage or as a workshop or hobby room instead of being living room 2.

 

[quaawaa]

Other than a very loud I TOLD YOU GUYS!!! that I desperately want to scream- I'd like to add to that point. The sprawl in greater Tokyo is absolutely insane and, frankly, anti-human. Sure, they have amazing public transit, but most sararymen take the metro and the vast majority of them are commuting to the city center
As an example of just how bad this sprawl is, here's a random trip I took a while back, from somewhere near Akihabara to a nice beach:

Two hours by train and I didn't spot a single open plot of land, it's built-up area the entire way

and driving is half an hour faster despite Japan's low speed limits:

I wonder why most Japanese people own cars...

Also, there is a bunch of unbuilt land on that route, you just won't see it from the train:


You would have seen it from the highway though:

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Two hours by train and I didn't spot a single open plot of land, it's built-up area the entire way

Reddit Georgists:

The only thing missing for them is their land value tax but otherwise, sounds like perfection!

 

[Xarpho's Return]

As someone who grew up in a house with two dining areas like this the one in the kitchen itself got far more use because it's much more convenient. Having two living rooms on such a narrow footprint is crazy to me though, it feels like the room behind the kitchen would be used for storage or as a workshop or hobby room instead of being living room 2.

FWIW it has two floors, with the upper level being bedroooms.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

As someone who grew up in a house with two dining areas like this the one in the kitchen itself got far more use because it's much more convenient. Having two living rooms on such a narrow footprint is crazy to me though, it feels like the room behind the kitchen would be used for storage or as a workshop or hobby room instead of being living room 2.

Not really, the house has a pretty good division between entertaining areas and family areas split between the front and the back.

FWIW it has two floors, with the upper level being bedroooms.

And the staircase is at the front of the house which allows you to keep an eye on it while entertaining guests. Lots of houses from the 1920s or so are built similarly to this.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

Also, there is a bunch of unbuilt land on that route, you just won't see it from the train:

The unused land mostly consists of steep mountainsides and cliffs, not flat plot of lands

Also, two floor highways!

 

[quaawaa]

The unused land mostly consists of steep mountainsides and cliffs, not flat plot of lands

Ehh there are a lot of farms:


Also, mountainous doesn't mean unbuildable; we've just stopped building on difficult terrain in recent years for environmentalist reasons but places like Los Angeles and the Mediterranean coast are full of neighborhoods carved into mountainsides.

There's a golf course on the top of a mountain in that part of Japan, for example:

 

[Bonesjones]

It's funny because for the price of a urban outing in their big city, most of america can take a day trip in any direction for hundreds of miles. For the roughly 200 dollars they spent, I can go hiking in the mountains or spend a day at the beach and see plenty of parks or waterfalls on the way. New Yorkers love to brag about their food but Michellin didn't even start reviewing food in the Southeast until a few years ago. BBQ places draw in more travelers than most 3 stars and they did it on word of mouth alone. If you've ever been to a real BBQ shack, they offer nothing but the best food you can eat, since they are all literally boxes in the middle of nowhere. Its hilarious how myopic most urbanists are at all times.

 

[quaawaa]

It's funny because for the price of a urban outing in their big city, most of america can take a day trip in any direction for hundreds of miles.

Nothing pisses off megacity dwellers more than reminding them that you can experience everything unique that their city has to offer for a $100 plane ticket while they're stuck paying $5000/month in rent to walk past said attractions (they can't patronize them because they're broke).

There's a reason why the copypasta guy bragged about a $30 comedy night and not a $300 3 Michelin Star dinner.

 

[Gurney Halleck]

Nothing pisses off megacity dwellers more than reminding them that you can experience everything unique that their city has to offer for a $100 plane ticket while they're stuck paying $5000/month in rent to walk past said attractions (they can't patronize them because they're broke).

There's a reason why the copypasta guy bragged about a $30 comedy night and not a $300 3 Michelin Star dinner.

Depending on what city it is, you could even drive there if you really wanted to...

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Depending on what city it is, you could even drive there if you really wanted to...

And fuel costs aren't that difficult to estimate: The average gas car is designed to travel about 350 miles between fill ups, the average diesel car will do roughly double that.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Reddit Georgists:

The only thing missing for them is their land value tax but otherwise, sounds like perfection!

Have you noticed that the "muh land value" argument only comes up when they grouse about American parking lots and single-family housing? By the same token, half of Amsterdam needs to be demolished and rebuilt as taller housing, but you probably saw in that video how no one actually wanted to argue that as a solution, and no one on Reddit talks about how low-rise most of Amsterdam is.

There's a reason why the copypasta guy bragged about a $30 comedy night and not a $300 3 Michelin Star dinner.

Most of the urbanist bragging has the same energy as "I sleep in a racing car, do you?"

 

[Kyria the Great]

They just hate America is all.

 

[quaawaa]

Have you noticed that the "muh land value" argument only comes up when they grouse about American parking lots and single-family housing? By the same token, half of Amsterdam needs to be demolished and rebuilt as taller housing, but you probably saw in that video how no one actually wanted to argue that as a solution, and no one on Reddit talks about how low-rise most of Amsterdam is.

It’s fairly common for people to troll urbanists by suggesting that Central Park be turned into apartment towers.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

As someone who grew up in a house with two dining areas like this the one in the kitchen itself got far more use because it's much more convenient. Having two living rooms on such a narrow footprint is crazy to me though, it feels like the room behind the kitchen would be used for storage or as a workshop or hobby room instead of being living room 2.

One is supposed to be the nice parlour (that only gets used for holidays or guests are over), where the fine china is stored.

The other one is the main hangout location.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

It’s fairly common for people to troll urbanists by suggesting that Central Park be turned into apartment towers.

Okay but what par of that is trolling though?

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