Debate with Greer regulars on whether we should be AI Chads or AI Chuds

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Hunter Hearst Helmsley

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I don't like to toss too much ChatGPT stuff into the ring but I think this might be useful to take the record of the harassment case and put it into a narrative people can understand rather than just a list of things happening.
Here’s the narrative the Orem court record tells if you read it straight through and strip away everyone’s spin.

It starts with two separate electronic-communication-harassment charges against Greer, both Class B misdemeanors. One was tied to December 15, 2019, and the other to January 14, 2020. The case was filed in Orem Justice Court in late January 2020. By March 2020, Greer had counsel, had entered an appearance, and the case was moving on the normal misdemeanor track before Judge Reed Parkin.

In June 2020, the case looked like it was going to resolve softly. Greer entered a no-contest plea on one count, the second count was dismissed, and the court put the remaining count into a plea in abeyance. The conditions were not trivial. He had to obey all laws, keep the court updated on his address, pay fines and fees, and, most importantly, have no contact with the victim. The court set a twelve-month abeyance period. In ordinary English, that means the court was willing to pause final judgment and give him a chance to stay out of trouble and satisfy conditions instead of taking the full conviction route right away.

That soft resolution did not hold. Almost immediately, there was litigation over the plea in abeyance itself. A motion to reconsider was filed, the court granted reconsideration, and the judge set the matter back for further hearing. At the July 20, 2020 hearing, all parties appeared by video, the victim made a statement, defense counsel responded, and the judge set aside the plea in abeyance. In plain English, whatever had been worked out in June unraveled after the court heard more from the victim side and reconsidered the deal. The case was no longer on the path toward quiet dismissal after successful compliance. It was back on track for an actual disposition.

Then, on September 16, 2020, the case hardened into a conviction and sentence. Charge 1 was entered as guilty and charge 2 was dismissed without prejudice. The sentencing minute entry says Greer was convicted of electronic communication harassment, a Class B misdemeanor, and sentenced to 180 days in jail, with all 180 days suspended. Financially, the court imposed a fine structure that left $500 due, plus surcharge and interest. The court also entered a sentencing protective order, then an amended sentencing protective order, both on the same day. The sentencing terms were not just “pay money and go home.” The court placed him on eighteen months of probation, required that he obey all laws, required him to obtain a mental-health evaluation or screening, complete any recommended counseling or treatment, report to a treatment agency within 48 hours, show proof of completion within 90 days, and get fingerprinted. The court also ordered a psychosexual evaluation, but stayed that particular requirement at that time. Read as a story, the court was saying this was serious enough to justify a real conviction, a protective order, supervised probation, and mandated evaluation and treatment, while still suspending jail.

After sentencing, the case shifted into compliance mode. The docket shows a series of payments through late 2020 and 2021, which means Greer was paying down the fine. It also shows filings from behavioral-health and counseling providers. Then, in February 2022, the court checked the statewide record, found no further violations, but still noticed a problem with proof of completed treatment and set a review hearing to address noncompliance on that narrow point. By April and June 2022, additional proof of counseling and assessment materials had been filed, there was a continued review hearing, and on June 16, 2022, the judge terminated probation successfully. That is important narratively because it means Greer ultimately got through probation and treatment compliance well enough for the court to close out supervision as a success, not as a violation case or a probation revocation.

Only after that did the case get softened on paper. In late July 2022, Greer himself filed a Rule 402 reduction motion. In August 2022, Judge Parkin signed the order on that motion, and on August 17, 2022 the docket reflects that Charge 1 was amended down to a Class C misdemeanor. Then the case was closed. So the true arc of the record is not “this was always tiny” and it is not “this was some terrifying felony-type case.” It is that the case began with two harassment counts, one count was dismissed early, one count first went into plea in abeyance, that lenient resolution was revoked after further proceedings, Greer ended up with a real Class B misdemeanor conviction, a sentencing protective order, suspended jail, probation, mental-health and counseling conditions, and then, after he paid, completed treatment-related obligations, and finished probation successfully, he later won a reduction of that conviction to a Class C misdemeanor.

So if you want the cleanest lay narrative, it is this. The record shows an underlying harassment case serious enough that the court did not let it disappear, did not leave it only as a plea in abeyance, and did impose a conviction plus protective-order and treatment conditions. But it also shows Greer eventually completed probation successfully and later got the conviction reduced. That is why both sides can truthfully grab part of the story. The defense is not inventing the fact that there was a real harassment case with a protective order and court-ordered treatment conditions. Greer is not inventing the fact that the final paper result was later reduced to a Class C misdemeanor after successful completion. The full record is the longer path in between.
The most important bit for me is what I bolded. The record reflects that when you hear from Greer's victims they say things that seem to credibly indicate Greer's own characterizations of what he did are too forgiving of himself. Based on this exhibit Greer provided, I don't see why we should trust Greer when he says Banks doesn't have anything relevant to say.
 
I wish we could institute a rule here about not shitting AI legalslop in the legal threads. The more we normalize it, the more shitty people will keep using it.

I have to disagree with you on this. If you read my AI interaction regarding whether Greer's service for the Secretary of State in Nevada was correct, I think it adds to the conversation. If the majority of people disagree, I will indeed not do so in the future. I think we need to ask for judicious and constructive use of AI that contributes to the dialogue, but I think an outright ban is not productive unless we start to see it substantially detract from the quality of dialogue here.
 
Does it open the doors for Hardin to add Erika to the witness list? Just imagine the Greegasm of Plightsperging.

Is it also worth pointing out that the moment Greeeee was off probation for the stalking offense, he immediately moved to the City where his victim now lived? That's a little detail that always creeped me out about him.

Granted to drag Erika back into this would be horrifying.

putting myself in erika’s shoes, if i thought agreeing to be a witness would ultimately result in greer getting the smackdown of his life, i’d be all-in. as far as this case has gone so far, and with the shit-tier, inactive judges? i’d rather not be dragged in. i feel like these judges would also rule that her testimony would be immaterial.

edit: on second thought, maybe her testimony would be considered material, since the cocksnot russell voluntarily introduced the dox about the case?
 
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I think we need to ask for judicious and constructive use of AI that contributes to the dialogue, but I think an outright ban is not productive unless we start to see it substantially detract from the quality of dialogue here.
You've been using AI too much if you're actually writing garbage like "for judicious and constructive use of AI that contributes to the dialogue". What the fuck is that HR bullshit? Did you hit your head?

I wish we could institute a rule here about not shitting AI legalslop in the legal threads. The more we normalize it, the more shitty people will keep using it.
The AI portion of that post was 6000 characters, and everything else (including the introduction of using AI) was 590 characters. His contribution was bolding some section of it. I just want to be able to go to a forum and read threads that are not 90% AI spam by volume. I can always ask an AI to produce a wall of text, but this is one of the few places on the internet where you can reasonably read posts, respond, and get a response. Let's be honest with ourselves here; The type of person to do AI text dumps is exactly who we need less posts from, not more posts and longer posts.
 
The AI portion was in a quote box you had to click on to expand, which you did despite it being identified as AI. It was a useful transformation of the record into something people could follow.
 
I've posted at volume in this thread for what must be at least a year at this point and have included AI content maybe two or three times. I am cognizant of the potential for overuse and hung a lampshade on it in the post you are upset about. Your concerns are noted.
 
You've been using AI too much if you're actually writing garbage like "for judicious and constructive use of AI that contributes to the dialogue". What the fuck is that HR bullshit? Did you hit your head?

How is it my problem that I don't speak in the ebonics you are apparently most familiar with? If you don't like intelligent and constructive conversation, find another thread to bother.

I really hate thread tourists.
 
How is it my problem that I don't speak in the ebonics you are apparently most familiar with? If you don't like intelligent and constructive conversation, find another thread to bother.

I really hate thread tourists.
AI is a cancer on the human race and I have no doubt it's already terminal, but there's no reason not to take measures that will at least guarantee some quality of life in the time remaining.
 
Niggers, niggers, please.

I want my AI sperging to come from Greept; we should be AI-interviewing only when we can use it to prove (in a spoiler) that some insanity had to come from greer because the AI committed seppuku before going that far.
 
IMO one if the big use cases for AI is summarizing large amounts of bullshit into an easy to read block. It's not generative ai slop, it's digesting this legal bs to be easy to read
 
IMO one if the big use cases for AI is summarizing large amounts of bullshit into an easy to read block. It's not generative ai slop, it's digesting this legal bs to be easy to read
there is responsible AI use, which is what you’re talking about, and irresponsible AI use, which greee is doing. fact-checking is a big part of responsible AI-use. greee relies on whatever his chosen LLM spits out.
 
It's not generative ai slop, it's digesting this legal bs to be easy to read
One of the problems with AI digesting legal BS in order to make it "easy to read" is that it does not necessarily product legally-accurate results. These threads are allegedly supposed to be maximally informative. An AI that has been proven repeatedly to produce results that the user wants to see is not to be trusted to produce results that are correct.
 
it does not necessarily product legally-accurate results.
Neither do Kiwifarmers. Could have used an AI reality check back when Nick Rekeita had a genuine fanbase here. That's the primary reason I use it. I want a second opinion to counter any potential thread groupthink. If I had an actual legal mind I could turn to, I would.
 
One of the problems with AI digesting legal BS in order to make it "easy to read" is that it does not necessarily product legally-accurate results.
True, but in fairness all I want is a cliff notes summary. I'm not greee, I won't be basic any legal work on it.
 
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