Chainsaw Man - Peak Fiction in the making

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God of Nothing said:
read firepunch or reread it
the mangaka is insane
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I legit hold Fire Punch as one of the most impactful manga I’ve ever read. I still think about it. It’s honestly better, to me, than Chainsaw Man Part 1 but it’s absolutely insane.
However, it made sense in its insanity and the ending, as haunting and beautiful as it was, was built up and it was the right time to end it. Here, idk man we just have to wait and see.
 
Caligura said:
The problem is that if everything was reversed back to Chapter 1, but Denji never becomes Chainsaw Man... Wouldn't that mean Makima would just do her thing and win with no opposition? It would be kind of weird for that ending to be like that.
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I'd say no, because her whole motivation was Pochita so she'd have no reason to interact with him.

It also depends on what Makima remembers, because Yoru held onto nukes for 50+ years but forgot Death immediately. She doesn't strike me as the kind of person to go out of her way to fuck with Denji again, when he might not remember and there's nothing in it for her.

And this is all assuming she gets revived.
 
Fuck Asa. She killed the entire series. I hope Part 3 is just about Denji now. At best, she can get a small cameo showing that she is living her normal life or whatever with her friend.
 
What if Denji has a character arc similar to Kratos from the new god of war games? It's not impossible for that to happen; many Japanese authors are inspired by Western media. I mean, a complete 180 for his character would be so funny to see.

"Pochita, we must be better men."
 
I had my reservations about part 1, mostly because I got the feeling that Fujimoto had some really great ideas at the end, and then just played as fast and loose with the rules to get to it. After a while it added up and details like the nature of Makima's death never really sat well with me. It always felt like I couldn't let those details go and let them undercut the cool aspects. This was a controversial take when part 1 ended, but I stand by it. I had decided to not really read part 2 until last year when some coworkers that kept talking about it were excited that I had read part 1 and asked me to.

I'll give the final chapter a chance, but it feels like part 2 has my problems with part 1 only exponentially more severe (and this time I don't feel like I'm in the minority). Nayuta's character and death seemed pointless, as well as all of the relationships Denji had throughout both parts. People also talk about Denji's character development yoyoing at times but this seems like it'll hard reset it.

We'll also have to see what happens in a world without the chainsaw devil if Pochita really did eat himself. I feel like there will have to be a lampshaded excuse as to why getting rid of Pochita gets rid of all of the devils, otherwise how will it work? Are the devils he ate still gone including death? Will humans just be eaten by bugs and turned into trees for eternity? Or will they come back? Is Pochita so based as to bring back the holocaust devil and let Makima rule the world? Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z

How does Firepunch compare? I hear great things from people about it and being weird and fascinating and thought provoking, but after Chainsaw Man I feel like Fujimoto has great ideas but poor execution.
 
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So if holocaust devil comes back, does it mean everyone suddenly remembers how they managed logistically to get 6 million dudes into the oven, or still no clue?

I did enjoy part 2. Mostly due to Denji Asa interaction which was going strong until the end. But man at some point story started to have ADD. So many plots picked up and dropped. Katana bro, Nayuta's death, trip to hell. I'm fine with blood devil not showing up since it would be different person now. But why no Kobeni cameo? World collapsing around with everyone being immortal would be a good set up for her antics.

To be fair my first reaction to the news was that it's some metal "early credits" type of joke but that's probably just a cope. Maybe Fujimoto intends some weird shitpost ending, but I really don't see how is the joke supposed to land.
 
RiverFalcon said:
How does Firepunch compare? I hear great things from people about it and being weird and fascinating and thought provoking, but after Chainsaw Man I feel like Fujimoto has great ideas but poor execution.
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If you don't like how part 2 is ending you'll probably hate Fire Punch. I feel like he wrote Part 2 the same way he wrote Fire Punch; as he went rather than having any sort of plan and trying to cover the sloppiness of it with being weird. Japs in general have trouble sticking the landing, either dying before they get to or completely bungling the ending because they didn't plan for anything after the point where they thought they would've been axed by Jump or were politely asked to continue pumping out chapters after the point they intended to stop.
 
Tenshi Eating A Corn Dog! said:
If you don't like how part 2 is ending you'll probably hate Fire Punch. I feel like he wrote Part 2 the same way he wrote Fire Punch; as he went rather than having any sort of plan and trying to cover the sloppiness of it with being weird. Japs in general have trouble sticking the landing, either dying before they get to or completely bungling the ending because they didn't plan for anything after the point where they thought they would've been axed by Jump or were politely asked to continue pumping out chapters after the point they intended to stop.
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I disagree, Fire Punch doesn't handle characters the same way as CM. The later crazy shit works because you don't have such attachments to the cast.

Plus a retcon ending is universally bad.
 
Twitter is now claiming Denji didn’t care about anything other than “carnal desires” , actually didn’t like Nayuta at all, and was going to rape a possessed girl.

Maybe it’s for the best if the manga does completely end in a couple week.
 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
Twitter is now claiming Denji didn’t care about anything other than “carnal desires” , actually didn’t like Nayuta at all, and was going to rape a possessed girl.

Maybe it’s for the best if the manga does completely end in a couple week.
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please, we all know that anime fans on twitter aren't humans or fans of anime. they are rats that only care about stimulation which is why all they ever talk about is powerscaling and "aura"
 
Bobbobson said:
So if holocaust devil comes back, does it mean everyone suddenly remembers how they managed logistically to get 6 million dudes into the oven, or still no clue?
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Who says the holocaust devil killed six million. Perhaps this was a lie spread by the Israel Devil.

Anyway, think the ending's gonna be great. Whatever happens I expect to be satisfying, and either set up a third part/sequel series well or give the series a meaningful conclusion.
I don't mind pochita eating himself. It seems like fujimoto wrote himself into a corner and is choosing to exit cleanly. Nothing could've really gone forward, he'd already abandoned the mystery box plot threads and we got unsatisfying conclusions to most of them. War devil really did just incarnate and possess a random bird, so there's no deep backstory with Asa, fakesawman was just some dork who denji fucked over, fire devil was on the same "denji needs to make a choice between being chainsawman and having a normal life" bullshit as Barem and the rest of his disciples.

End of the day, the story was about choice and Pochita chose for Denji after his and Asa/Yoru's own choices fucked the world up beyond repair. Don't hate it, feels rushed though.
 
Tenshi Eating A Corn Dog! said:
If you don't like how part 2 is ending you'll probably hate Fire Punch. I feel like he wrote Part 2 the same way he wrote Fire Punch; as he went rather than having any sort of plan and trying to cover the sloppiness of it with being weird. Japs in general have trouble sticking the landing, either dying before they get to or completely bungling the ending because they didn't plan for anything after the point where they thought they would've been axed by Jump or were politely asked to continue pumping out chapters after the point they intended to stop.
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This doesn't look like a good ending, but my standard for "bad endings" was set so low by Jojo part 8, I'm willing to wait for the next chapter.
 
Kitty Cat Man said:
I don't mind pochita eating himself. It seems like fujimoto wrote himself into a corner and is choosing to exit cleanly.
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I wouldn't fault him for a "you deserve to live a normal life" ending but as things stand I don't see any way it could be executed properly. The whole thing feels like a complete tonal whiplash.

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