Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

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Leylon Sneed said:
the IDF "sensor" is a complete editorial privilege to censor articles that are published thru, or in collaboration with, Israeli News outlets. You don't have to pretend to be this retarded, it's not a secret.
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and like i said

Catch The Rainbow said:
the AIS position vs the actual observed position in the strait of Hormuz is not effected by the IDF "sensor". most of the information from that thread doesn't originate from israel
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the IDF censor is also very easy to get around, Israeli papers send the information to the international papers then report on their reporting. after a strike, the IDF censor only applies for around 15 minutes and then they gradually let up over the next few hours

have to be a complete idiot to think it works the same way it does in dictatorships
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
and like i said
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I'm sorry, I'm getting mixed signals. Are you acknowledging the IDF sensor (proactive data manipulation by having a final word in publication), or that the IDF relies on news getting out of the sandbox being censored? Please spell it out like I'm retarded...
 
Leylon Sneed said:
I'm sorry, I'm getting mixed signals. Are you acknowledging the IDF sensor (proactive data manipulation by having a final word in publication), or that the IDF relies on news getting out of the sandbox being censored? Please spell it out like I'm retarded...
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Israeli news = temporarily censored with easy workarounds

Non Israeli news/osint = not censored
 
Catch The Rainbow said:
Israeli news = temporarily censored with easy workarounds

Non Israeli news/osint = not censored
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I may give you a hard time, but you do usually bring current updates, you just don't post a source. So despite your kvetching, you seem to sometimes be straight with information... Dear Lord, I know I will regret this.... I will agree not to slap fight with you here, if you post the occasional osint thing and don't editorialize.. 🤝?
 
If the pro-war kike pets were winning the propaganda war they'd not have needed the admin to shut out people who were anti-war from the start of the other thread, then come here to shit up this one.

If you niggers are so secure in your belief that the war on Iran for the sole benefit of Yidsrael is fully justified and that people support it, entering this thread would be wholly unnecessary.

Every pro-war post in this thread is a testament to just how miserably their pathetic propaganda effort is going for their self-evidently pointless and wasteful war.

I just say this to remind people that sperging at them rather than just mocking them derisively isn't productive. Point, laugh, move on.
 
guys, it's very simple.
this war, that isn't a war, is already over, but it's just beginning, but it's only over when they surrender unconditionally, but we're in charge of when it ends, but we've already eliminated the leadership so there's no one to surrender, and also they don't have any weapons left so they can't fight anyway, but they're destroying the gulf countries, but they don't have an air force or navy, but the war is just beginning, but it's not a war, this is just short term pain for long term gain, but it might last till september, but it's already over, and this is building a future ally, even though we don't have a replacement or a plan, but this isn't nation building, this is in America's interest, but it's actually Israel's interest, but that's anti-semitic, this is not a religious war, except it is, but it's not a war, but it's only over when they surrender, but we control when it ends, except it's already over.
 
I agree with catch the rainbow that we should remove religions with terrible beliefs. Which is why I think after Iran we should look at freeing the Semitic and coptic jews from the evil reign of the ashkenazi and orthodox jews that have a stranglehold on the Israeli government. Imagine being such a vile religion that you consider your own people as lesser and use them as slaves and canon fodder. We should liberate them next!
 
lego racers said:
guys, it's very simple.
this war, that isn't a war, is already over, but it's just beginning, but it's only over when they surrender unconditionally, but we're in charge of when it ends, but we've already eliminated the leadership so there's no one to surrender, and also they don't have any weapons left so they can't fight anyway, but they're destroying the gulf countries, but they don't have an air force or navy, but the war is just beginning, but it's not a war, this is just short term pain for long term gain, but it might last till september, but it's already over, and this is building a future ally, even though we don't have a replacement or a plan, but this isn't nation building, this is in America's interest, but it's actually Israel's interest, but that's anti-semitic, this is not a religious war, except it is, but it's not a war, but it's only over when they surrender, but we control when it ends, except it's already over.
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Yeah I think its fair to say, at this point, that despite the objective military victories so far, this war is political suicide. Trump is now between a rock and a hard place, and no matter what he does here its gonna make him look like an asshole at home. This war had no strategy to it going in aside from "bomb them until they say uncle." Now that this is noticeably not working and the IRGC is digging their heels in and has given no indication they're willing to surrender (duh, they're shia islamists), it's increasingly clear that they have no real exit strategy, no path to de-escalation, and no endsieg to realize here.

All the Iranian regime has to do in order to declare victory is survive and live to fight another day, ensuring that they're just gonna reconstitute the axis of resistards and become a problem again sooner or later. The only true victory condition here is some sort of regime change, and there can't be regime change at this point without some sort of deployment of boots on the ground, whether that be to topple the regime, post-war reconstruction, or both.

This fundamentally leaves Trump with 2 options:
A) try to de-escalate and leave the regime in power, effectively granting them a pyrrhic victory and making everyone hate you because you just got 8 soldiers killed, 150 wounded, and all of your GCC allies in the region bombed to temporarily neuter the mullah regime in Tehran
B) double down and use whatever resources you can to topple the regime, including boots on the ground both for regime change ops and post-war reconstruction (IE nation building)

Both of these options will make everyone hate him, the former will likely make our GCC allies in the region resent us for starting a war and then kicking the can down the road when the going got tough. The latter will assuredly make everyone hate you since the American people are already averse to wars in the mid east due to trauma from Iraq and Afghanistan. It would actually likely be an even bigger PR disaster because, unlike the GWOT under Bush, there isn't even a 9/11 or consent-manufacturing campaign to rally the public behind a such an idea, so you're basically just suddenly telling the public that we're going to war with Iran and they better fall in line, and unless you're a fucking idiot I don't see how anyone could imagine that going over well with the American voters.

On a side note, speaking of the Bush era: It does bear repeating that Bush advocated for a "humble foreign policy" and "no nation building" in the wake of Yugoslavia while running for office in 2000, only for him to sleepwalk his way into doing both of those things. Likewise it seems that Trump is basically headed down the same path, but with an infinitely dumber cabinet. I know it's cliche to compare every new foreign intervention to Iraq but this is starting to have some of the earmarks but without any compelling case to actually rally anyone but his dipshit boomer cultists behind such an intervention, or any of the actually intelligent and skilled actors in his cabinet to see this through. I mean come on, at least the neocons were intellectuals and they were philosophically coherent, what the fuck do any of these people even believe in aside from undying loyalty to zognald blumpf? We may as well bring back John Bolton, at least he had experience doing this shit.

Any way you cut it this is looking to be a total disaster for Trump's presidency. Unless someone in the administration manages to pull a rabbit out of a hat and unfucks this mess before the summer starts (most likely Rubio since he's the only one in there with an IQ above room temperature), the GOP is headed towards a total electoral blowout in november. Worse too is they may not lose just the house as everyone was already predicting, but the senate as well, and at that point Trump may as well resign because you know damn well they're gonna impeach the living shit out of him again.
 
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AN/ALR56 said:
2nd week of the war.
  • Is the US navy sunk yet? i thought all those cruise missiles and rocket boats would totally overwhelm the carrier battlegroups and sink 10 billion dollar ships and kill 5000 thousand sailors in one go, where are them?
  • I thought Israel would run out of ammo by day 3 and get 50000 gorrilion missiles, has israel managed to censor tel aviv's former location smouldering crater yet?
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How's the new regime going?
 
souschef said:
How's the new regime going?
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JAVID SHAH, REZA IS KANG!!!!!
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