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LonesomeDud said:
I'm looking at the photo recently mentioned and I don't see other people in the background of Jill's sermon selfie.
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Is this enough proof for you?
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"This church has SO much energy!"

Shows one lady who's actually invested and some teenagers bored out of their skull in a half empty conference room.

Okay.
 
Also, historically, big waves of Irish and Mexican immigrants were largely Catholic, which associated the religion with outsiders.
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I was gonna mention that but most evangelical Christians arent going to admit to that (or the being pro-science) and instead will say Catholics worship idols and saints and not Christ Himself or some shit like that.

Anyway it’s almost all dumb and hypocritical at the end of the day.
 
It's Never Leprosy said:
Point taken but oh my god she'd rather die than go to Mass lol, if you accused her of being Catholic she would be absolutely apoplectic.

Don't pozload my neghole, but what I wouldn't give to watch her sputter and spout and get pig mad if asked when the last time she attended confession was, or to remind her that in order to get into heaven she has to engage in charity she isn't a recipient of. They're also huge on self-sacrifice in general, the Catholics, which is pretty much anathema to her. And modern ones have zero qualms about alerting CPS to her abuse and neglect given the sexual abuse history. She'd rather be genuinely tortured than convert lol.
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Confession isn't really a thing in christian groups that aren't catholic. You can do christian therapy, but it isn't the same thing imo. Most of the time you're expected to work your own issues out with your family and god in my experience. More modern churches encourage therapy with a christian (actual) therapist. Olderish ones will say you can talk to the pastor, but that's not really what they're there for.

As for evangelists, I can give a couple reasons. (Dad is former catholic) the church itself may be blue, but many followers are red in my experience.
The idea is they put the saints too high and worship physical idols that represent them, what is seen as actual idolatry. My father was never comfortable with the practice of lighting a candle for a saint because it felt too much like an offering to him, same with praying to mary to forgive transgressions (say x hail Mary's for forgiveness). A cult becomes a cult when it can't exist outside of who it worships, which is usually a mortal being. Catholicism evades that with christ, which is another seperation. The church views the holy trinity, (god, jesus, the holy ghost) and regular evangelists view it as 2. God and jesus are fundamentally seperate, as Jesus was meant to experience humanity in full. For it to be an extention of god would defeat the purpose because he would still be god. Jesus in evangelist view is himself a miracle, and in catholicism it's hotly debated if god and jesus are the same or different, and proclaim to know for sure is heresy.

Evangelists didn't like that the church could essentially say what they wanted or cherry pick sections to abide by, as the bible was supposed to be for everyone (ironic I know)
Catholics (rightly) believed the bible is mostly stories and ideals, not full truth (especially since it was common in olden times to not write directly, but as a parriable) evangelists.... split on this, but mostly take it literally. Not all, but a good 65%. Catholicism is basically ritualistic behaviors that shape daily life (your hail marys, your daily prayers, confession, etc.) With a more educated but controlled setting, and evangelists are more the common man who are more interested in making religion more intimate and deeper look into the bible, but with less of a scholars view and more literal.
Neither are perfect, and evangelists certainly have their own set of problems with misunderstanding the bible, but the freedom of the information is what is seen as the most important part. (For a long time, catholic mass was done in Latin, then translated for the people, but the bible was still mostly Latin I think. It was much harder to have a more personal stance as it was made to kind of lead people like a classroom.)
 
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An old joke:

A plane crash kills everyone on board.
They all go to Heaven, and as St. Peter is showing them around the place, they see a cloud with a group of people on it.

One of the crash victims asks St. Peter who those people are. He says "they're Baptists. But please be quiet, because they think they're the only ones here."

Taken from Reddit.
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Another filming session from church. The poster said this was 13 minutes into the service.
At least she's just filming the pastor this time, but God knows for how long.
 
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brooky said:
modern American Evangelicals hate Catholics
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The critical issue is that Catholics don't believe a layperson can have a direct relationship with the divine. I can't speak for Jill's weird brand of faith, but Protestants in general value a personal relationship with Jesus and that access isn't restricted by or funneled through a priest.

The praying to Mary and saints is secondary, and the strangeness is tertiary.

The other things you mentioned (suspicion of large organizations, etc.) may apply to these backwater fundir groups, but the main issues for mainline Protestants is about relationship/ access to God and who is actually prayer-appropriate.
 
Friend of Dorothy Parker said:
The critical issue is that Catholics don't believe a layperson can have a direct relationship with the divine. I can't speak for Jill's weird brand of faith, but Protestants in general value a personal relationship with Jesus and that access isn't restricted by or funneled through a priest.

The praying to Mary and saints is secondary, and the strangeness is tertiary.

The other things you mentioned (suspicion of large organizations, etc.) may apply to these backwater fundir groups, but the main issues for mainline Protestants is about relationship/ access to God and who is actually prayer-appropriate.
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the critical “issue” for most people is that the other religion just isn’t whatever they grew up with. It’s not like people are picking a religion from a totally neutral blank slate starting point. All of these “issues” are post-hoc cope people tell themselves to avoid having to think too hard about the fact that their preference is based largely on familiarity/personal comfort and not some sound theological reasoning. if they realize their deeply held religious beliefs are really just arbitrary to the particular time and place of their existence they might abandon religion altogether, so best to just shut down any questions with stock answers like these.
 
From the other side of the aisle: Evangelical hand-waving and cheesy Jesus rock music looks very dorky and some of y'all may want to think on if you're confusing emotional arousal with a transcendental experience. And also they have these fat-faced doofs standing up there preaching like they aren't actually just the guy who sells insurance at AAA during the week. It's a poor substitute for the glory and majesty of the One True Catholic Church, whose history, though not without blemish, goes back to Peter, the Rock Upon Whom the Church is Built.

Current pope is false pope though. Mel Gibson is right about that. Globohomo got us and I give you hardline eveangelicals props for fighting off the trannies.
 
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From the other side of the aisle: Evangelical hand-waving and cheesy Jesus rock music looks very dorky and some of y'all may want to think on if you're confusing emotional arousal with a transcendental experience. And also they have these fat-faced doofs standing up there preaching like they aren't actually just the guy who sells insurance at AAA during the week. It's a poor substitute for the glory and majesty of the One True Catholic Church, whose history, though not without blemish, goes back to Peter, the Rock Upon Whom the Church is Built.

Current pope is false pope though. Mel Gibson is right about that. Globohomo got us and I give you hardline eveangelicals props for fighting off the trannies.
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There's a lot of space between the current Catholic Church and the AAA guy ranting about God hating fags. That said, what makes someone a Christian is accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, and that the only way is his way. Trusting in Christ's atonement for real changes who you are. It saves you. It doesn't matter where you go to church or what you call yourself.
 
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the critical “issue” for most people is that the other religion just isn’t whatever they grew up with. It’s not like people are picking a religion from a totally neutral blank slate starting point. All of these “issues” are post-hoc cope people tell themselves to avoid having to think too hard about the fact that their preference is based largely on familiarity/personal comfort and not some sound theological reasoning. if they realize their deeply held religious beliefs are really just arbitrary to the particular time and place of their existence they might abandon religion altogether, so best to just shut down any questions with stock answers like these.
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Obviously unfamiliarity can be unsettling, but you're wrong to dismiss a central theological difference as mere unfamiliarity or xenophobia. The Protestant Reformation - with key points, sola scriptura, solus Christus and sola fide - was kind of a big deal, you know, and those points mark absolutely central - and very meaningful to adherents of both sorts - differences in the whole theological model. Silly to dismiss the method to the whole point of those religions as short-sighted temporal blindness. To be clear, I'm not taking a position on the rightness of either one, or the knowability of the answers they believe in. I'm looking at two theories and noting that there's more to it to believers than mere pettiness or fear or ignorance. There are doubtlessly those things, too, but there is an incompatibility that forces (and in fact did force) a schism. But your point is more a dismissal of faith as a concept than it is any particular belief, and tbh it sounds as though your own criticism criticizes itself.
 
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On my tiny phone screen it looked like those microphones were guns!
And it didnt seem odd...
Just blessing some firearms, nothing to see here...😉
 
LonesomeDud said:
There's a lot of space between the current Catholic Church and the AAA guy ranting about God hating fags. That said, what makes someone a Christian is accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, and that the only way is his way. Trusting in Christ's atonement for real changes who you are. It saves you. It doesn't matter where you go to church or what you call yourself.
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I agree but your music is, like, so uncool. I'm sorry but it is. You guys lay claim to P.O.D. for goodness sakes. Meanwhile, we have Dio, Danzig and Springsteen.

LonesomeDud I love you bro and appreciate how you stick up for everyone and especially how you share your own struggles but in my headcannon you're played by this guy:

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Bees said:
I agree but your music is, like, so uncool. I'm sorry but it is. You guys lay claim to P.O.D. for goodness sakes. Meanwhile, we have Dio, Danzig and Springsteen.

LonesomeDud I love you bro and appreciate how you stick up for everyone and especially how you share your own struggles but in my headcannon you're played by this guy:

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Before it was the snake eating its own tail, IHOP made some great music. I think in general that Forrest Frank, John Thurlow, and the like are making great music.

Also, those clothes are cool! (J/k. J/k. Maybe...) I think many of us get stuck in that time and place when we first accepted Jesus. There's probably some truth there, and I am sure that applies to me.
 
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