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I find it interesting that the Maga tards are cheering for this war because they want to see "Brown Muslims" get blown up by the US military, because when i Iook at the average US soldier fighting in this war they look much browner then the average Iranian does, isn't that interesting 🤔
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uvaldedeadbodystroker said:
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Lindsey Graham asking Israel to pretty please not bomb Iranian oil infrastructure, I suppose not realizing that Israel's goal is to create a failed state, not institute regime change.
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i was called an Iranian shill for saying that destroying Iran oil fields isn't about regime change. is Lindsey Graham an Iranian shill now, too?
 
While I do think this has been a largely successful campaign so far and the forces of ZOG have all but wiped out the axis of resistards, with this being a final mercy killing, I still have some questions remaining about the efficacy of this operation. I ask genuinely, and I hope that some of you (paging @Catch The Rainbow) could enlighten me on this:

  1. If the Kurds are going into Iran, why would we want that to happen and why would the Iranian people (who do largely hate the regime) be fine with this considering that the kurds have a nasty habit of setting up "autonomous zones" and taking away land from any country they can get a foothold in?
  2. If we let the kurds get a foothold in Iran, what's stopping the other ethnic groups in the country such as the Azeris, Arabs, or Baloch (who are literally Bin Ladenite sympathizers) from doing the same thing? Especially considering this would be the balkanization of the country and the end of Iran as we know it, effectively sending 5,000 years of history straight down the drain, I don't imagine the Iranian people would be very happy with getting a rump state out of the ruins of the previous regime.
  3. How exactly do we plan on achieving a regime change from the air if there is no active armed rebellion on the ground to ensure it? At least when Obama went into Libya there was already an armed insurrection against the government that our strikes were aiding and supporting, no such thing exists in Iran as of now, and what of it did exist was already squashed by the regime and the survivors have been terrorized into hiding as of 2 months ago. There is not even any arms flowing to rebel groups inside the country to make this happen from what we currently know, so how will they take back the institutions?
  4. If the Islamic republic is deposed, how exactly will we set up a successor regime (such as a return to the de-facto parliamentary democracy it had previously) without having to marshal resources on the ground in order to make sure this happens successfully and doesn't create a failed state? And how exactly would this differ from previous nation-building policies carried out by previous administrations? Obviously an overthrow means the deposing of basically their entire current parliament and all of the Islamic republic's state institutions and it would require setting up new ones, and to make sure this is done in a fair manner there would have to be international poll watchers sent there, there'd have to be soldiers guarding these polls and new politicians to make sure remaining regime loyalists don't try to assassinate them or carry out retaliation terror campaigns against voters, etc.
  5. How will the army and law enforcement institutions be restructured, how many resources will have to be marshalled to make sure that is done correctly to prevent Iran from turning into a failed state like Libya did?

These are just some questions I have off the top of my head, if any of you could answer them and clear up these obvious discrepancies in our strategy with Iran that would be great. 👍
 
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YHWH's Strongest Soldier said:
Nigga, we're just gonna chuck bombs and see what happens. Don't overthink it.
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So basically copying Obama's policy of "regime change from the air" but without any of the tact and discretion that he had when he carried it out in Libya. Surely this won't end in disaster or result in some kind of inevitable mission creep.
 
namvata said:
So basically copying Obama's policy of "regime change from the air" but without any of the tact and discretion that he had when he carried it out in Libya. Surely this won't end in disaster or result in some kind of inevitable mission creep.
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>Tact
>Discretion
>Libya
How much did you giggle when you wrote that?
 
Smashed & Slamed said:
>Tact
>Discretion
>Libya
How much did you giggle when you wrote that?
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He went in and took advantage of an already ongoing armed insurrection against the state, executing airstrikes against regime targets and giving weapons to rebel elements on the ground to ensure their success. Did it result in a failed state? Yeah. However, did we ultimately achieve our goal of deposing the regime? Also, yeah.

Meanwhile it just seems like the US and Israel are bombing Iran for 5 weeks in the hopes that this will inevitably result in some kind of regime change rather than what is more likely: either a fractured, resentful, and weakened Iran with another impotent crazed madman at the helm and even more of an axe to grind against its neighbors OR..... another failed state like Libya.

Listen I know you guys are high on jingoism right now and to be fair you have every right to be: Israel and America have largely been blessed with having the most retarded and incompetent enemies on the face of the planet. But sooner or later (IE in a month) when the regime still isn't deposed or the country is a failed state you're gonna start having questions about what the entire goal of this campaign was.
 
namvata said:
He went in and took advantage of an already ongoing armed insurrection against the state, executing airstrikes against regime targets and giving weapons to rebel elements on the ground to ensure their success. Did it result in a failed state? Yeah. However, did we ultimately achieve our goal of deposing the regime? Also, yeah.

Meanwhile it just seems like the US and Israel are bombing Iran for 5 weeks in the hopes that this will inevitably result in some kind of regime change rather than what is more likely: either a fractured, resentful, and weakened Iran with another impotent crazed madman at the helm and even more of an axe to grind against its neighbors OR..... another failed state like Libya.

Listen I know you guys are high on jingoism right now and to be fair you have every right to be: Israel and America have largely been blessed with having the most retarded and incompetent enemies on the face of the planet. But sooner or later (IE in a month) when the regime still isn't deposed or the country is a failed state you're gonna start having questions about what the entire goal of this campaign was.
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In other words, trump is positioning to do the same thing essentially. Where exactly did Obama demonstrate his ‘tact’ when it resulted in a failed state?
ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
India is impacted the most? Then why the fuck would I ever want this to stop?
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You do know India will be a superpower by 2030 right? You DO know Indians uphold the entire US tech industry right? Aren’t you aware that all the CEOs of the top companies are Indian ???
 
babyDunk said:
In other words, trump is positioning to do the same thing essentially. Where exactly did Obama demonstrate his ‘tact’ when it resulted in a failed state?
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Because he actually succeeded in deposing Gaddafi and had a plan to do so, whereas it does not seem like Bibi or Trump have such a plan outside of "bomb them for 5 weeks"
 
Viriatus said:
The natural consequence of fucking around is finding out sooner or later
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Say again? Nearly 2000? I'd like the MoH report on this, unless they're counting injuries as casualties then I'm gonna press X to doubt.
 
Sooty Soot said:
Say again? Nearly 2000? I'd like the MoH report on this, unless they're counting injuries as casualties then I'm gonna press X to doubt.
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Yeah they are counting injuries in the casualty numbers, the real number of fatalities is realistically sub 100 ( of course they won't tell us the real number in order not to cause panic among the population ).

Sleepy Joe ? More like sleepy Donald
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Pippa is a spic whore said:
Ok, and?
Why do browns think anyone owes them anything? Last time I checked, it wasn't my grandfather that marched to put goatfuckers in their government in the 70s. It was theirs.
This delusion the sandnigger diaspora in LA has where the West will basically kickstart their megachud nuclear zoroastrawhateverthefuck ethnostate is genuinely making me hope the heebs just fucking take the land.
Like I saw a post last week where they were whining in r/PERSIAN that reza promised he'd give up the nuclear program, because "we need nukes so no one can fuck with us", completely ignoring that if this nigga ever sits his ass on the throne it will be because the US fucked with them. Yeah, we should just let you have nukes, so that in a few decades, when you reislamize at the slightest loss of izzat, like turkey and every other brown shithole before you, you can just get a head start at rekking kafirs.
No, khazeem, you lost. Kurdistan will be free now.
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Kurds are also "browns" (they're an indo-iranic group) and what a great way to create a rally around the flag effect and make everyone think that not only their regime, but Iran's national sovereignty itself is under attack. Also, as I asked earlier, if we allow them to get their territory what's gonna stop other groups from doing so, including the baloch separatists who have, amongst their ranks, bin ladenites and other ISIS-adjacent extremist groups. You think that sets a good precedent, to let groups like that gain a greater foothold in central asia than they already have?
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I found this cleaning out very old memes LMAO
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3 years old and aged like fucking milk lmao, the axis of resistards could not be more done. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the STC took out the Houthi government by the end of this decade.
 
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