Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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Platonic Ideal said:
Is there a precedent for striking oil infrastructure in previous Middle Eastern conflicts? It seems like a major escalation but I haven't followed similar events this closely until this one
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Were you around for desert storm? Saddam bombed Kuwait oil facilities when the bombings started until he pulled out. His policy was if I can’t have it Kuwait can’t.
 
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Rendang said:
The biggest question I have now is: "Who'll take over?" We already annihilated their supply and morale, yet there's no clear movement for defection, so who are the Israeli's and US betting on?
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Most likely another awkward ceasefire with both sides declaring victory, the IRI regime getting sanctioned again while cracking down on dissent even harder, and us coming back to this thread in another 6-9 months.
 
I might be missing something. So if someone has good reasoning I will take it into account.

If the goal is to overthrow the government by paralyzing it and letting the people pick the rests of it apart - what sense does it make to target the oil infrastructure? I would get it in a long term scenario. But the prior US messaging went with: Stay inside till we tell you. Until then we keep on bombing Iran.

How long is that bombing going to go on? Weeks? Months? I mean Iran would make bank with current oil prices, but is that so relevant when the overthrow attempt is immident? After all the next government needs those assets to generate income.

Looks a bit more like bombing them into the the stoneage strategy.
 
One thing I want to know from British kiwis is why the government is so hesitant that even real British territory in Cyprus being attacked isn’t enough to respond? Is the political situation that bad that even British soil isn’t enough to protect its own interests?
 
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Bunkerhousing said:
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Can't be the only one who seems to notice how much louder and more hysterical certain types seem to get whenever something involves going against the interests of certain eastern european and central asian nations with huge online cheerleading armies (or at least loud ones) and their friends/partnerships? Or how "true" American interests always seem to revolve around, or at least line up perfectly with, said countries political and strategic goals or demands?


Mexican_Wizard_711 said:
People like to go on about America's so-called decline, but what people tend to forget is that America's enemies aren't doing better either. China has a low birth rate that started to affect them pretty badly. Russia's already losing tons of people due to the war in Ukraine and Iran had a population that was secularizing prior to the war. The U.S. is in a bad spot, just not as bad anywhere else
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Birth rate issues and the last two decades they spent trying to restart it are only the beginning of their problems.

A post I made about this a while back in another topic. (Spoilers not working for some reason so just the link to the post then i guess.)
 
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Kornheiser said:
Were you around for desert storm? Saddam bombed Kuwait oil facilities when the bombings started until he pulled out. His policy was if I can’t have it Kuwait can’t.
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was just going to post about this

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theres a kino scene in jarhead where theyre walking through the desert at night and theres huge plumes of fire everywhere
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According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's report to Congress, "the retreating Iraqi army set fire to or damaged over 700 oil wells, storage tanks, refineries, and facilities in Kuwait."[13] Estimates placed the number of oil well fires from 605 to 732. A further thirty-four wells had been destroyed by heavy coalition bombing in January.[12] The Kuwait Petroleum Company's estimate as of September 1991 was that there had been 610 fires, out of a total of 749 facilities damaged or on fire along with an unspecified number of oil filled low-lying areas, such as "oil lakes" and "fire trenches".[4] These fires constituted approximately 50% of the total number of oil well fires in the history of the petroleum industry,[13] and temporarily damaged or destroyed approximately 85% of the wells in every major Kuwaiti oil field.[12]

also iraqi forces purposefully dumped oil into the persian gulf during this time to stop amphibious landings

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they spilled 4 million barrels of oil into the sea on purpose
 
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Quindoll said:
If the goal is to overthrow the government by paralyzing it and letting the people pick the rests of it apart - what sense does it make to target the oil infrastructure?
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Where do you people get your talking points? The only thing confirmed so far AFAIK is that they've targeted fuel depots that IRGC needs for their weapons and vehicles (unlike IRGC who have been targeting actual "oil infrastructure").
 
Quindoll said:
I might be missing something. So if someone has good reasoning I will take it into account.

If the goal is to overthrow the government by paralyzing it and letting the people pick the rests of it apart - what sense does it make to target the oil infrastructure? I would get it in a long term scenario. But the prior US messaging went with: Stay inside till we tell you. Until then we keep on bombing Iran.

How long is that bombing going to go on? Weeks? Months? I mean Iran would make bank with current oil prices, but is that so relevant when the overthrow attempt is immident? After all the next government needs those assets to generate income.

Looks a bit more like bombing them into the the stoneage strategy.
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Israel's likely desired end-state is total state collapse of the IRI. Whatever happens afterward is not their problem apparently, so all economic infrastructure is free game. Israel is probably willing to keep bombing until they run out of bombs not already saved for their other conflicts, maybe 3-4 weeks.

America's desired end-state is maybe an Iran that is no longer capable of directly threatening their military or shipping in the region. They're obviously not committing ground forces to establish a new government, and they won't stop Israel from bombing civilian infrastructure. US will probably stop when Israel stops, since I think Trump already wants to move on just to not completely sabotage the midterms.
 
tarzor said:
my old friends and neighbors in norway are pretty fucking racist these days. even my syrian neighbor who immigrated years ago hates the local black muslims cause theyre all unreported rapists and calls them niggers.
theyre reported but the officers never show up or do any follow ups, its getting pretty damn tragic.
any norwegians that tell you norway is awesome and they love paying taxes are black or brown, very well off/nepotism, or under 25.
they're the most tunnel visioned and brainwashed people ive known, its 1 news channel or garbage from britain, the older generation knows what it's like to have their jobs pushed out by chechens so they had a head start in fatigue.
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What "black Muslims" are even in Norway? Somalis? Sudanese? Also, are they primarily raping their own, or does Norway have the same problems with grooming gangs that Britain does?

Do you predict that they'll elect more anti-immigration parties in the future, or are they pretty thoroughly pozzed/in denial?

(sorry for spamming you with questions, but I don't speak Norwegian and I don't know how accurate the English-language reporting is)
 
Hannibalistique said:
Where do you people get your talking points? The only thing confirmed so far AFAIK is that they've targeted fuel depots that IRGC needs for their weapons and vehicles (unlike IRGC who have been targeting actual "oil infrastructure").
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My bad.

I justsaw videos of the huge smog plumes and fires and was reading about strikes on fuel depots within Iran. Fuel depot and oil infrastructure is kinda synonymous for me. If those are used by the IRGC, that makes sense.

Prööt :DD said:
Israel's likely desired end-state is total state collapse of the IRI. Whatever happens afterward is not their problem apparently, so all economic infrastructure is free game. Israel is probably willing to keep bombing until they run out of bombs not already saved for their other conflicts, maybe 3-4 weeks.

America's desired end-state is maybe an Iran that is no longer capable of directly threatening their military or shipping in the region. They're obviously not committing ground forces to establish a new government, and they won't stop Israel from bombing civilian infrastructure. US will probably stop when Israel stops, since I think Trump already wants to move on just to not completely sabotage the midterms.
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Nah. See above. I think it makes sense to seperate oil infrastructure and the storage tanks. Especially when those are designated to provide the IRGC. That's fair game in this case. You need some storage for regular operations sure, but most other countries apparantly did not have too much of those since their tanks filled up rather quickly after the ship movements stopped.
 
Ghostse said:
You: Iran a good boy, he dindu nuffin just raising money for them programs.
Also you: Iran has the world by the balls! They can close the Strait of Homos anytime and destroy the world's economy! Their missile and drone spam has shown the guld states the folly of working with the US!

Which one is it?

Also, go right ahead and fuck yourself sideways with a running weedeater. They attack and kill american personnel, and you are jsut like "well its not really a threat they just murder some people".
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Both. Irans threat of closing the Strait of Hormuz is a MAD scenario. Iran only made good on their threat after they were attacked by the USA in what they view as an existential war for the survival of Iran as an independent nation. Even a direct strike at US bases by Iran was extremely unlikely, because it would have forced America to retaliate severely. Iran was thus a minor threat, a nuisance not worth expending the lives and treasury on. Russia can annihilate every major US city with its nuclear arsenal. Do you believe that makes Russia an existential threat to the US that has to be dealt with? Or do you believe that the Russians won't start a nuclear war because both sides understand that the retaliation would be too severe? Same deal with Iran.

So just like American glowies engage with Russian ones and both countries engage in low level conflicts that cost lives and equipment, Iran used its lesser means in similar ways to achieve its goals in their region. I don't think that was worth starting a war over. Especially not given that the war machine of the US empire is powerful but also very expensive. From the standpoint of an empire, a few deaths to a minor power, of whom the empire also kills people, are better than the alternative of open warfare. The possible economic consequenses due to the closure of the Strait are likely to kill people too. Deaths of depression, people having to cut back in their own healthcare, these sorts of things. While diffuse we know they happen in tough economic times.

What is the risk for the US in this war? Beyond loss of life and equipment, the global economy can get in real trouble. What can the US gain? They might be able to replace one towelhead with a democratically elected towelhead. But the people in Iran will still be to a large part radical muslims, likely to vote for a radical muslim. Whatever shape Irans next government will take, it will still be in the strategic interest of Iran to have influence in the ME and to maintain the means of closing the Strait, if necessary. Their geography dictates that these are sensible things to do for Iran.

tl;dr: Iranian women make my peepee hard.

Ghostse said:
Why the hell doesn't Iran have their terrorists stick around after suicide bombings to offer medical aid to those inside the US's embassies?
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Oh they stick around. Check the ceiling.

Ghostse said:
I really wish you muslims had somethgn like shabbat so we'd be free of your retardation for at least one day a week.
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Why don't you keep the Shabbat? You'd be free from internet retardation that way. I am sure Catch the Rainbow can set you up with a Shabbat goy that flushes your toilet for you on Saturdays.
 
borsabil said:
Ayatollah Khamenei, who the chosen murdered along with his 14 month old granddaughter, had issued a fatwah banning the development of nuclear weapons. The office of the DNI, which collates CIA, FVEY and allied intelligence has consistently confirmed that Iran was not and had no plans to develop nuclear weapons. In summary you are a fucking liar.
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Muslims lie, pretty often. It's apart of their religion. Especially with the concept "taqiyya" which promotes concealing ones faith for thier survival. The same concept can logically be extended to concealing nuclear weapons for their survival.
 
The Great Ducktator said:
Why don't you keep the Shabbat? You'd be free from internet retardation that way. I am sure Catch the Rainbow can set you up with a Shabbat goy that flushes your toilet for you on Saturdays.
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'everyone who makes me mati is a JEW' rolls on

JEWS make up a disproportionate amount of the KF userbase apparently. hundreds and hundreds of JEWS schlepping around doing JEWISH aviculture. Forsaken Wanderer was right!
 
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The Groyper movement is dead. Trump's base has zero problem with his "Zionist war" and his approval with his 2024 voters has barely budged.

The barely disguised demoralisation campaign that Marjorie Taylor Greene killed her career over failed because it's just... not real

Trump voters outside of twitter don't really have the same mindset as the young RW activists. Really they just want to go back to 1985 demographics and culture.
 
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