Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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Trump further defines "unconditional surrender" as being "When they give up, or when they can't do shit to us anymore."
Lol at Hegseth nodding in the background.
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so it's not really unconditional surrender, but an OFFER that they can either surrender unconditionally, or we can bomb them into the literal pre-industrial era. it's up to the IRGC it seems. if they push too close to 60 days he'll go gloves off and flatten whatever's left, i'm tellin' ya.

that was the last time both sides of a military conflict cared about the rules of engagement, imo. since then it's been one side or the other doing underhanded, heinous shit that the other side 'isn't allowed to', or sometimes simply can't.
 
so it's not really unconditional surrender, but an OFFER that they can either surrender unconditionally, or we can bomb them into the literal pre-industrial era. it's up to the IRGC it seems. if they push too close to 60 days he'll go gloves off and flatten whatever's left, i'm tellin' ya.
Come on, you orange bastard. Just let me see a hydrogen bomb go off once in my life.
 
It's not impossible that Iran captured a couple SpecOps or glowies. Those missions do go wrong from time to time. Believe it when you see it, though.
Yeah it's their claim that the POWs they've taken were claimed to be killed that makes it reak high heavens of bullshit though. The only deaths given by the US were the 6 reservists in Kuwait who's remains are already en route back to the states and I'm not thinking Iran somehow has them hostage.
 
so it's not really unconditional surrender, but an OFFER that they can either surrender unconditionally, or we can bomb them into the literal pre-industrial era.
Technically Iran could pretend to be disarmed to give the Americans the opportunity to go back home as the winners. That requires both sides to come to an understanding how to end the war. America does not insist on regime change and complete disarmament, Iran publicly admits defeat and possibly accepts some other concessions.

Sort of like Midnight Hammer ended the 12 day war in a manner that allowed Iran to evacuate the bombed facility days in advance.
 
The IRGC is retarded I’m surprised the actual Iranian army hasn’t turned on them for getting them into this catastrophic position.
the thing is the IRGC is the only "real" military Iran has, their national army is less trained and equipped than the US Coast guard. Almost entirely conscription staffed and really only given menial tasks.
 
would i be correct in assuming this whole thing with iran depends highly on russia and china minding their own business? because i feel like this is going to go on forever if either of them start sending in troops. i also dont have faith in the surrounding countries to not cave to irans demands and start forcing US troops out.
 
The IRGC is retarded I’m surprised the actual Iranian army hasn’t turned on them for getting them into this catastrophic position.

But hey at least they did well at planning contingencies for decapitation strikes. Something for other states to study I’m sure.
The IRGC gets all the good stuff, regular army has become useless.
 
Trump further defines "unconditional surrender" as being "When they give up, or when they can't do shit to us anymore."
Lol at Hegseth nodding in the background.
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Honestly I really dont like the vibe I get from Hegseth. Dude has the crazy eyes, and is looking like hes half a step away from monologuing like Colonel Kurtz. But without the benefit of actually going through what Kurtz did.
 
would i be correct in assuming this whole thing with iran depends highly on russia and china minding their own business? because i feel like this is going to go on forever if either of them start sending in troops. i also dont have faith in the surrounding countries to not cave to irans demands and start forcing US troops out.

Iran pissed away a lot of its goodwill with Russia and China over the past 4 years by engaging in their retarded proxy war with Israel. Neither Russia or China has a particularly adversarial relationship with Israel and they generally want to maintain positive relations with the other gulf states, so Iran's anti-Israel crusade and dreams of regional hegemony are directly counter to their interests in the region.

That's why they haven't done shit except say "Stop bombing Iran please."
 
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Surely US/UK intelligence sharing meant that the UK government knew this was coming months/weeks in advance?
All the evidence indicates this wasn't shared with the uk government, which was caught completely by surprise by the opening of hostilities. We had advanced notice of Midnight Hammer, but this time nothing. Trump cooled on Starmer in the last year, not least because of the revelations about Peter Mandelson and Epstein, and the retarded way Starmer is handling it, but also because of the multitude of stupid laws and oppressive actions the British state is taking against its citizens. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump ramps up the rhetoric over the next few months.
 
Surely US/UK intelligence
The United Kingdom is no longer sharing intelligence with the US about suspected drug trafficking vessels in the Caribbean because it does not want to be complicit in US military strikes and believes the attacks are illegal, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
Things might be rockier than even prior reporting suggests. Kier really killing the critical british political alliance in record time.
 
No intent to hurt, simply repeating your rhetoric back at you. In my honest opinion, every person killed in this war is a life that should not have been lost, notice how I don't need to do any mental gymnastics.
i actually do agree. i had this conversation today with a close friend. war is, in basically every case, no matter how immoral your enemy, in itself immoral. it's a war. it's why i don't like to celebrate anything but the deaths of people i know have spent a long time ordering others to die, especially when it's an injust death in my view. i don't see basically any of the iranians as terrorists. the problem is the IRGC and iran as a government entity are a theocratic one, which means that there is some serious issues with how they believe a country should be run. they had laws in place (as some states do disgustingly, bomb them too) for essentially selling your underage daughter (or son!) to someone else. their holy book advocates lying, putting everyone else to the sword, and spreading the theology, and that is their basis for government.

to say that the IRGC do not use terrorist tactics is to ignore that they absolutely intend to drive populations of people into fear to do what they say. they are, by definition, terrorists. if all they did was terrorize their own people, it would not be our business in any way, and there would be no reason for the US to do anything but maybe covertly fund anti-Regime groups (which doesn't work out well for us generally). this regime supports systematic killings, they support suppression of religious beliefs, and all that is whatever WHEN IT'S THEIR OWN PEOPLE they are forcing that on. morally, yes, it's abhorrent, but it's not our business in the realm of man and government.

what makes it our business is that they have made it EXTREMELY clear that they will be attacking us if they can. if iran had nuclear weapons, they would HAPPILY utilize terrorist tactics openly and brazenly, and even claim responsibility for those actions, if they knew they had a guaranteed deterrent to ever being retaliated against by us. it is why i do not agree that iran is not affecting us. maybe not significantly, right now, but they are already affecting allies, INCLUDING DA JOOZ, yes. but also, saudi arabia, qatar, syria, and a few other states. they have shown that their desire is to dominate that area, and eventually the world. it is genuinely naive to think that a regional power like Iran would not seek to become a global power, and if they became a global power, that they would not make use of that nuclear deterrent to start their own fires, including fires that would be on our soil.

they have been seeking nuclear weapons for decades, but unlike clinton and obama, trump was not willing to allow them to progress with nuclear enrichment beyond what was needed for civilian powerplants, and they refused all potential monitoring that other countries accept. they were very clearly trying to develop nuclear weaponry, and they have long had missile programs attempting to develop longer and longer range missiles. the fact that the iranians would have one day attacked us out of ideological hatred (we put them into power after all, and their death to america chants are religious ideology in action, the great satan, infidels, etc) which would then be TOO LATE to stop.

it comes down to the question of should the US simply stand by and let a nation who has assured us they will perform a nuclear strike on us if they are capable of it BECOME capable of it? or should we intervene beforehand, knowing that the outcome will be a glowing crater in central NYC (yes, i know, that would be wonderful and all liberals died and whatever, that's a horrifying thing to think about no matter who's dying.)
 
Called it. Talabat (Emirati equivalent of Uber) driver killed in Al Bashra (Dubai suburb not far from that weird island that looks like a palm tree) not long ago by debris from an intercepted Iranian missile.

They might be service workers, but they’re still people.
 
would i be correct in assuming this whole thing with iran depends highly on russia and china minding their own business? because i feel like this is going to go on forever if either of them start sending in troops. i also dont have faith in the surrounding countries to not cave to irans demands and start forcing US troops out.
china has already outright stated they will not send iran military support, and russia literally cannot afford to do so, they are embroiled in year 4 of the russian-ukraine war. iran is on its own, and has burned ALL ties to other nations in the middle east by sperging out and missile-jizzing everywhere.

Called it. Talabat (Emirati equivalent of Uber) driver killed in Al Bashra (Dubai suburb not far from that weird island that looks like a palm tree) not long ago by debris from an intercepted Iranian missile.

They might be service workers, but they’re still people.
dubai might make a stink about that, they don't care for their imported workforce but they love looking good in western media, and they know any plays about how iran killed innocent civilians (well no shit) is going to go over without much effort right now. also, the fact that it's so close to where some of their people that they care about are is an indicator that they might actually take it seriously themselves, too.
 
if iran had nuclear weapons
An If that has been doing the heavy lifting for the past 20+ years. I simply don't believe this to be likely, because nobody, including Iran's partners (read: China, Russia) benefit from Iran having nukes.
it comes down to the question of should the US simply stand by and let a nation who has assured us they will perform a nuclear strike on us if they are capable of it BECOME capable of it? or should we intervene beforehand, knowing that the outcome will be a glowing crater in central NYC (yes, i know, that would be wonderful and all liberals died and whatever, that's a horrifying thing to think about no matter who's dying.)
There is a reason that fear porn is the most consistent way to take freedoms away from people, there's niggercattle like you that believe in it.
 
I guess the bombing of the oil refineries shows this war was never about liberating the Iranian people.
I've never encountered a European with opinions on world politics who was not a fucking moron
"Let me tell you how your* country is wrong."
Very few critics of America have even been there.
If you don't want browns tell your leaders to stop importing them.
We did, reducing immigration is something a lot of parties promise, but few implement once in government.
Kier really killing the critical british political alliance in record time.
Never forget he sent paid UK Labour Party activists to America to stop Trump getting reelected.
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Trump's mum is British, Hebridean to be precise and he's got lots of investments in Scotland. Turning him against the UK is a gold medal in stupidity
 
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