Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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@Ghostse
I’m not going to post an image of my hands, but you’d find them unremarkable. You raise a fair point about the funding of radical Moslem groups — obviously it would be good to put an end to that. Obviously it would be good if Iran were no longer ruled by insane religious clerics. I guess what I’m questioning is whether that goal is realistically achievable or, rather, whether it will be the worth the cost incurred in blood and gold.

Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc don’t seem to have gone so well, but I will concede that this may not be comparing like with like. Feels like the same thing to me though
 
timewave0 said:
whether it will be the worth the cost incurred in blood and gold.
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So far, the only American blood spilled is six reservists. Don't get me wrong. Six American soldiers are worth more than the lives of every Middle Eastern nigger, but it's a testament to how powerless Iran is against us that they haven't been able to get another kill past the first day. As for the cost, all that money has already been allocated. It's meant to be used, and it's not like the annual military budget is going to decrease next fiscal year.
The only tangible negative we're currently facing is oil prices. Iran being lucky that they happen to be positioned such that they can fuck around with oil trade is a big reason why we held off doing this kind of operation for so long. Oil prices are the only card they have to play, but it's a card everyone is terrified of them playing because they don't want to deal with the few weeks of higher prices.
 
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UK aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales placed on advanced readiness

The BBC has learned that HMS Prince of Wales, one of Britain’s two aircraft carriers, has been placed on advanced readiness to sail from Portsmouth.

Defence sources say the ship’s crew has been told they must be ready to leave in five days. Before this, the ship’s so-called “notice to sail” was 14 days.

This may raise speculation that the carrier could be deployed to the Mediterranean to help defend British interests threatened during the conflict in the Middle East.

The government has been accused of not acting fast enough to protect Cyprus from enemy drones and missiles. The Type 45 destroyer, HMS Dragon, has been deployed to the region but will be ready to leave port until next week.

HMS Prince of Wales is in Portsmouth receiving routine maintenance ahead of a planned deployment to the North Atlantic and Arctic later this year.

The carrier strike group was due to take part in Operation Firecrest alongside US, Canadian and European allies to deter Russian aggression in the High North.

A defence source tells the BBC the Prince of Wales has had “her readiness increased to five days' notice to sail”.

The Ministry of Defence has confirmed the change in status for the carrier.

A Ministry of Defence spokesperson says:

“We have been bolstering our UK military presence in the Middle East since January, and we have already deployed capabilities to protect British people and our allies in the region, including Typhoons, F-35 jets, air defence systems and an extra 400 personnel into Cyprus.

“Since the strikes began, we’ve had British jets in the sky shooting down drowns and have sent additional assets to the region to further reinforce our air defences, including more Typhoons and Wildcat helicopters with drone busting missiles.

“HMS Prince of Wales has always been on very high readiness and we are increasing the preparedness of the carrier, reducing the time it would take to set sail for any deployment.”
 
timewave0 said:
I was at an event recently with a decent number of Iranian diaspora ppl who came here right after the revolution or are the children of people who did. These guys are non-Muslim, appear white, and are more or less entirely Western in their cultural attitudes & disposition.

I understand their hatred for the regime, but it was interesting hearing their warped perception of the war. There was a lot of cope:

on topic of Israel’s involvement, after I gently pointed out that Israel’s government is psychotic and their involvement will, if anything, unite the Iranians against us:
  • “No, that’s not really true. The people in Iran actually love Israel. It’s just the regime that opposes them.”
On the airstrike of that girl’s school:
  • “It was a failed Iranian missile launch.” I explained basically no one credible is reporting that, it was directly adjacent to a target we were hitting, etc., but then a few days later I got this text repeating the claim and didn’t have the heart to correct them: “The girl’s school was hit by IRGC”
On the Shah’s son:
  • “He’s beloved in Iran. People are actually congregating in the streets to beg for his return!” Pressing (x)
I don’t doubt that there are a lot of Iranians — perhaps even the majority — who oppose the regime and want it to fall, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are also a ton of moslems over there who support their turbomoslem government. And I doubt we’re currying much favor with the people by helping genocidal talmudists bomb their country.
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Emigrant rats are often delusional.
 
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@CRUBRANGERLSTEINZHAJJAVIF
I’d be interested to hear a logical case for why this action was necessary from an American perspective, or how it actually helps keep our families safe.
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Khomeini disrespected us so 16 hours later we killed him, and his family, his children, and friends, by crushing them beneath rocks. and anyone who picks up his flag to reify the insult toward us, will also die.

and yes, we will send in fighters on foot. they're going to pump poison gas into the ratholes that terrorists are hiding from god in, for the crimes they've committed against their own people.

you act as if being openly insulted and lied to and disrespected is insufficient pretext. it really doesn't need to go farther than that. This is the world after all.
 
ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
So far, the only American blood spilled is six reservists. Don't get me wrong. Six American soldiers are worth more than the lives of every Middle Eastern nigger, but it's a testament to how powerless Iran is against us that they haven't been able to get another kill past the first day. As for the cost, all that money has already been allocated. It's meant to be used, and it's not like the annual military budget is going to decrease next fiscal year.
The only tangible negative we're currently facing is oil prices. Iran being lucky that they happen to be positioned such that they can fuck around with oil trade is a big reason why we held off doing this kind of operation for so long. Oil prices are the only card they have to play, but it's a card everyone is terrified of them playing because they don't want to deal with the few weeks of higher prices.
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Agreed that the cost in blood will remain low provided conflict remains over air and sea. Are you saying the cost will still be low if war escalates into conflict on the ground, or that you don’t think it will get to that point?

I guess I just can’t connect the dots of how the regime will fall absent ground invasion. If we presuppose that the public is so inflamed against the regime that they are willing to topple it themselves once the regime is weak enough, then it maybe makes sense. This seems much more likely with Iran vs, say, Iraq of course, but I’m just not very confident it’ll go down that.
 
Ghostse said:
Airforce also lets you select MOS (I think they use a different term) and their deployments are cakewalks you are overpaid for.
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Depends on the AFSC. In mine we were deployed in lieu of Army units because a few years prior certain soldiers helped themselves to a war crime or two as a treat, and got to play Operation Iraqi Daycare while taking the occasional rocket attack without the benefit of C-RAMs. We did have shorter deployments than the Army (typically 6-7 months vs 18 months) and I felt pretty bad for the soldiers that stayed behind when my team rotated out.

Though I did know a few airmen that deployed to RAF Akrotiri and I am eternally jealous of them. Paid per diem next to a beach resort!

Ghostse said:
Chairforce fags sometimes have to stay in Army barracks and get "hardship pay" because they aren't up to Chairforce coushy standards.
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I guess "not covered in black mold" qualifies as cushy...

Though I never got extra pay just for being on ILO taskings. Hostile fire, imminent danger, tax free yes. But I never got any of this airman-in-Army-barracks hardship pay meme money I've been hearing about.

Ghostse said:
The downsides to going Chairforce as a non-pilot are 3 fold:
First, you are ground units in an aviation service. You are a second class citizen. You will have less than no rights. Everyone has to deal with retarded officers, but yours will feel undeserved superiority and have command backing them.
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This is absolutely true. One of the (very) few perks of being in a certain low-bar AFSC means getting to detain (and sometimes tackle) uppity officers/aircrew who think they're above the security regs.

Ghostse said:
They may not have the job you want available. Which isn't a huge issue if you can walk away and try again later, but if you have your life set to ship out that day....
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And "try again later" may be months or even years. Don't let your recruiter jerk you around, they will always lie their asses off to get quota. Get it in writing.

Ghostse said:
Third, you will have to deal with unending bullshit. Some units are chill, but not many.
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And Lord help you if your career takes you anywhere near nuclear weapons.

Ghostse said:
Since you are effectively always in garrison, you are usually held to very high uniform/grooming standards and unending bullshit paperwork, even more than the other branches, even when deployed.
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Depends a lot on the job, unit, and era. From '03-'11 or so our ops tempo was high enough that certain CONUS units were critically undermanned for their missions. The past decade was relatively quiet, though in the past 14 months or so my associates still on active duty have been much busier for very obvious reasons.

One time our Army tactical leadership issued us Airborne tabs and Air Force ADCON absolutely lost their shit and threatened everyone who altered their uniforms with formal reprimands. Though these days it's easier with velcro patches.

Ghostse said:
Honestly if I was enlisting today, I would go Air National Guard first, the coast guard, then Airforce, then Army National Guard, then navy, then active duty army (hooah).
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ANG is super chill, Air Force Reserves is also worth considering. Airmen that go active-to-reserve (Palace Chase) are looked upon with envy.
 
An AN/TPY-2 radar of the US Army destroyed by an Iranian kamikaze drone at the Royal Air Force base "Mufaffak Salti" in Jordan. Cost per unit is 500 million
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its 1 of 20 ever made
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Daily reminder that this is not the thread for political discussion, the war is already well underway, some would say that it entered the 2nd half (since most of the BM capability of IRGC is already destroyed), so your lamenting about "starting wars" is completely futile and irrelevant at this point. Enjoy this meme:

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StudMccool said:
An AN/TPY-2 radar of the US Army destroyed by an Iranian kamikaze drone at the Royal Air Force base "Mufaffak Salti" in Jordan. Cost per unit is 500 million
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its 1 of 20 ever made
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So the price will go down then. Niche equipment is only expensive because it has a lot of R&D invested in it and with very few units sold, the manufacturer needs to charge a high price to recover the money spent.
 
timewave0 said:
I guess I just can’t connect the dots of how the regime will fall absent ground invasion. If we presuppose that the public is so inflamed against the regime that they are willing topple it themselves once the regime is weak enough, then it maybe makes sense.
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The Iranian people are the ground forces. Start this thread on page 1 and read the highlights of how this started at the end of December, the US/Israel attacks didn’t start until page 205 of this thread
 
SIMIΔN said:
That makes no sense, wouldn't they get more gibs if they overestimated the cost per unit.
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Yes but after a certain point something becomes so expensive per unit that it's no longer attractive even to the expensive Wunderwaffe loving people over at NATO. They frequently underestimate the cost per unit for their stuff too.
Even then, making something like an interceptor drone look cheap enough to mass produce then actually results in more gibs since NATO will be willing to drop billions on making/refurbishing facilities for the Ukrainians. The Ukrainian government will of course insist on doing this type of stuff in Ukraine so they can commit acts of fraud as seen with literally every military related investment in the country. Pretty sure back in December or October western intelligence agencies found out about a missing $3 billion going to a bunch of peoples pockets in Ukraine.
 
CRUBRANGERLSTEINZHAJJAVIF said:
you act as if being openly insulted and lied to and disrespected is insufficient pretext. it really doesn't need to go farther than that. This is the world after all.
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True, I think that’s insufficient pretext. That almost feels like an appeal to negro honor — are we going to attack every punk in the hood who steps on our Jordan’s? Our government being insulted or disrespected isn’t enough to trigger my bloodlust
Fuck, I didn’t read the full thread title. I’ll stop the argumentation here.
polakrobak99 said:
Daily reminder that this is not the thread for political discussion, the war is already well underway, some would say that it entered the 2nd half (since most of the BM capability of IRGC is already destroyed), so your lamenting about "starting wars" is completely futile and irrelevant at this point. Enjoy this meme:
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Thank you for pointing that out, I wouldn’t have noticed second half of the thread title otherwise
 
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