Ask men why they do things the way they do and maybe you'll get an honest answer

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1440p Curved Monitor said:
You misunderstand my question, I'm not talking about pedophilia. I am talking about relationships where it's a 35 year old man dating a 27 year old woman vs a 27 year old man dating a 35 year old woman. I can understand the attraction of a 35M to 27F ("youthfulness is beautiful") but what about the 27M to 35F? Is it feelings of maturity and stability, like how the 27F would feel to the 35M?.
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Perhaps it is...the person, rather than some abstract outline of a human.
 
General Patton said:
What's a good way for a woman to write a male character if she's writing a story, and how can it be done to make it accurate?
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Men are gray templates, it could be just about anything

A typical macho man, a backstabbing pussy, a transgender knife juggler, a witty sly guy or some regular dumbass. Take your pick
 
General Patton said:
What's a good way for a woman to write a male character if she's writing a story, and how can it be done to make it accurate?
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Have you read anything by S. E. Hinton?

She kind of gets it right, but the writing is clearly from a female perspective.

Ultimately, you have to probably learn from the classics who are mostly men. Dostoyevsky, Byron, Roger Waters, Pushkin, Hemingway, Zola, Hunter S.

Have you read "Return from the Stars" by Lem? Or "Solaris" by him also? "Dune" by Herbert?

Edit: Fitzgerald "The Great Gatsby." Both men and women are exposed for whom they are. Fantastic prose, probably some of the best in the last century or so.
 
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General Patton said:
LOL, alright.

What's a good way for a woman to write a male character if she's writing a story, and how can it be done to make it accurate?
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Do you want a good book or a book that will sell? The answer varies based on genre, general target audience, and how much YA/fanfiction you have consumed in your lifetime.
 
Ignatius von Cistern said:
Have you read anything by S. E. Hinton?

She kind of gets it right, but the writing is clearly from a female perspective.

Ultimately, you have to probably learn from the classics who are mostly men. Dostoyevsky, Byron, Roger Waters, Pushkin, Hemingway, Zola, Hunter S.

Have you read "Return from the Stars" by Lem? Or "Solaris" by him also? "Dune" by Herbert?
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I read Hinton, but it was a very long time ago so I'm a bit rusty on that. I haven't read the last ones, since from my knowledge I've never been into those kinds of novels. I have read Zola though.

SteinserGate said:
Do you want a good book or a book that will sell? The answer varies based on genre, general target audience, and how much YA/fanfiction you have consumed in your lifetime.
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A good book. I don't intend to sell anything. I just like to write period era books. But I tend to write male characters over female so I'd like my characters to believable.
 
General Patton said:
I read Hinton, but it was a very long time ago so I'm a bit rusty on that. I haven't read the last ones, since from my knowledge I've never been into those kinds of novels. I have read Zola though.
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Have a read of the other ones, I think that would help.

I don't think that's the issue. I think that being a writer needs life experience and unfortunately it's going to be an unhappy experience. You'll have to struggle through transient relationships to be able to take a bit of your man's soul. Alternatively, if you can somehow let a man let loose and just rap about their life, that would be excellent material. How do you do that? I can't tell you. All I can tell you is that people are fascinating and if you can find a way to let them just talk about themselves, that's the best way to write fiction. Men or women. Just have to be genuine, I guess.
 
General Patton said:
A good book. I don't intend to sell anything. I just like to write period era books. But I tend to write male characters over female so I'd like my characters to believable.
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Generally speaking, especially in period era books, strong male characters often benefit from the world-building in terms of power structures and conflict.
It's hard to build a male character without these, because they end up being written more like female/young adult characters instead.
Male characters are more likely to express their progression via action-oriented choices, blunt/standoffish dialogues, and established belief systems that may or may not change throughout a story via events.
What makes a male character unique is generally how he deals with conflict, if he chooses to deal with it, and if he deals with it in a way that is healthy/unhealthy, etc.
There's an inherent masculine way conflict is resolved with men as opposed to women/young men in fiction. It's sort of a harsh, unforgiving, unfairness grit to it.
Or I could have light novel/Jap Fever and all these books/media/film I've consumed have turned my brain into tonkatsu.
 
souschef said:
How can you get aroused in a place so damn disgusting is beyond me
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Indians somehow continue to breed so I guess it's not impossible.
1440p Curved Monitor said:
- When does the "oh god I can't stop these boners" part of puberty end?
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End?
General Patton said:
I've also heard jokes about men's rooms compared to women's ones, aka, women's rooms being nicer and men's being filthy.
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Working in places that have public restrooms and I can safely say that the women's restroom has always been worse than the men's. Maybe it's my area, but the men's restroom at worst has drips around the urinal, or some Indian shaved at the sink. Women clog the toilets constantly with an immense amount of toilet paper. I'm not convinced that women sit on the toilet but instead try to shotgun shit into the bowl.
 
Spilled Spaghett said:
Working in places that have public restrooms and I can safely say that the women's restroom has always been worse than the men's. Maybe it's my area, but the men's restroom at worst has drips around the urinal, or some Indian shaved at the sink. Women clog the toilets constantly with an immense amount of toilet paper. I'm not convinced that women sit on the toilet but instead try to shotgun shit into the bowl.
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Realizing how much paper a woman will go through boggled me when I first cohabitated with a non-familial woman. I understand they will need to be more thorough and they can't as easily just dab off or shake it off. The hover over the bowl piss technique in restrooms leads to a mess and then them wiping everything down with TP as well. So they'll leave a giant wad TP just iceberging in the toilet. God save the janitors.
 
1440p Curved Monitor said:
- Why pee standing up at home? I understand why not in a public restroom (as a woman, I hover squat) however if you are at home, why not sit?
- When does the "oh god I can't stop these boners" part of puberty end?
- I can understand why men would be interested in women 8+ years younger, but what draws men to women 8+ years older? I just feel like I haven't heard that perspective yet.
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1. Why wouldn't you pee standing up if you could?

2. At like 35 or so, when your testosterone levels start to go down

3. Childhood sexual trauma and/or granny fetish. Wanting to be a sugar baby? I don't know either, old hag enthusiasts are weird.
 
General Patton said:
LOL, alright.

What's a good way for a woman to write a male character if she's writing a story, and how can it be done to make it accurate?
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Imagine a woman, then add reason and accountability.

More seriously, this is a hard question to answer. I think the main thing is that men don't really care all that much about the elaborate drama vortices that women can find all-consuming. Like a woman is someone who spends 90% of her brainpower on romantic relationships, and for a man, it's 10%. So even if you're writing a very female-oriented story that is about elaborate, emotional, romantic drama, the men in the story should largely be bewildered and irritated by the drama, not consumed by it. Men typically react to drama by becoming withdrawn and checking out.
 
General Patton said:
LOL, alright.

What's a good way for a woman to write a male character if she's writing a story, and how can it be done to make it accurate?
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imagine a heat-seeking missile.

its only goal is to hit the target. Sometimes it flies in a most indirect path, sometimes it even flies out of sight entirely for a while, but it's always working towards a single, solitary goal. The heat-seeking missile often lacks awareness of its goal, it only understands the deviations towards it which are favorable, if you ask it to recount what its purpose is: It outputs, invariably, in a hundred different ways, that it must reach its target.

or

alternatively, read "What Evolution Is" by Ernst Mayr
 
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Retrofire said:
imagine a heat-seeking missile.

its only goal is to hit the target. Sometimes it flies in a most indirect path, sometimes it even flies out of sight entirely for a while, but it's always working towards a single, solitary goal... The heat-seeking missile often lacks self-awareness of its goal, it only understands the deviations towards it which are favorable, if you ask it to recount what its purpose is: It outputs, invariably, in a hundred different languages, that it must reach its target.

or
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I'll raise ya:

 
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