Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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Milles d'Allemagne said:
Macron says France intents to increase their nuke stockpile, has invited european allies for joint exercises for nuclear deterrence, Germany agreed to partake
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The Euros are looking on at this and thinking to themselves "oh shit. What if Trump HAD invaded Greenland."

I do feel like the world had forgotten just what the US military was capable of, given the past 20 years of insurgency fighting and incompetent leadership.
 
Otterly said:
That isn’t what I’m saying. Of course they’re building nukes.
I am well aware that Iran is after a bomb, and despite repeated attempts to stop them, the have a pretty talented set of guys actually building one. That they have the capacity and will is not in doubt. That they’d use it to wipe Israel off the map isnt in doubt either. The ayatollah and his ilk are the worst thing to happen to Iran in a while. Yes, Iran is after a bomb.
What I’m saying is that this is the exact playbook previously used to get us, and you, into a prolonged feet on the ground war. Right now there’s public buy in for a short, four week intense bombardment to decapitate the regime, after which they think they either install whoever’s most useful or the Iranian people will gratefully rise up (despite the fact said ayatollah just massacred 35,000 poor sods of their own people who tried that.)
What this is laying the groundwork for is a wider engagement. Which is going to happen becasue a. Money and b. With all these shells being lobbed around something is going to get hit that will justify it. You’re going to have boots on the ground, and at that point it segues from justified regime change to Halliburton’s share price, and anyone pointing that out will be found in the woods with their wrists cut in very peculiar ways
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They are absolutely selling us short on how long this is gonna take.

If there's one universal truth about war it's that it always lasts longer than people expect it to. How many wars have started with the claim it'll be over by winter, and it never is.
 
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Two of like 21 Su24s Iran has apparently used to test Qatari air defense
 
Pendulous Dong said:
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Not doomposting, just a reminder that our allies are still dickheads.
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well i mean the average american (and by average i mean not a politician or jewish mass media zogbot) doesnt give much of a fuck about israeli casualties either, they just want their own boys to come home unharmed. thats just par for the course in multinational conflicts
 
account to mute dumbs said:
Wasn't talking about the cheated wargame that I'm well aware of. I'm talking about the actual speedboat fleet that Iran built and apparently never used.

Which again US ships were never actually forced to use. That was why I was wondering what the fucking point was of the speedboat fleet. Like the whole point of my post. Anyway can't find a reputable estimate for the fleet size but seems they made at least 1000 of them (wikipedia lists 3000-5000).
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1) Fractured command
2) Poor intel

If nobody is giving you the order to start to boat and go to coordinates X°, -X°and fire missiles at coordinates Y°, Y°, what the fuck are you going to do?
Load up and sail out into open water under skies controlled by the enemy to blindly fire missiles at random coordinates and just hope a ship is there?
 
Milles d'Allemagne said:
This war is now 3 times as long as Trump's last war. At this rate the annexation of Canada will last two weeks. This trend is not sustainable.
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Interestingly, from a certain perspective, Venezuela and Iran are polar opposites, despite both representing the futility of resisting American military force.
Venezuela represents the opportunity to play nice and survive modulo one dipshit at the top who didn't get the message.
Iran represents what happens when you refuse to play ball. Everyone in your leadership dies, you find yourself on the receiving end of a one-way bombing campaign and at the end of it all, you are forced into compliance anyway.
 
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Otterly said:
I am well aware that Iran is after a bomb, and despite repeated attempts to stop them, the have a pretty talented set of guys actually building one. That they have the capacity and will is not in doubt. That they’d use it to wipe Israel off the map isnt in doubt either. The ayatollah and his ilk are the worst thing to happen to Iran in a while. Yes, Iran is after a bomb.
What I’m saying is that this is the exact playbook previously used to get us, and you, into a prolonged feet on the ground war. Right now there’s public buy in for a short, four week intense bombardment to decapitate the regime, after which they think they either install whoever’s most useful or the Iranian people will gratefully rise up (despite the fact said ayatollah just massacred 35,000 poor sods of their own people who tried that.)
What this is laying the groundwork for is a wider engagement. Which is going to happen becasue a. Money and b. With all these shells being lobbed around something is going to get hit that will justify it. You’re going to have boots on the ground, and at that point it segues from justified regime change to Halliburton’s share price, and anyone pointing that out will be found in the woods with their wrists cut in very peculiar ways
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I can see your concern, now that you've clarified, and I'm not going to call it invalid. I really doubt Trump thinks pulling a dubya is a good idea, and we actually know the Iranians have the material. We don't have to dig in the desert after the war to find expired mustard gas (because we really did do a great job bombing the fuck out of Saddam in DuneCoon Adventure the First - Chuck Horner is a Hero in my home) to ex-post-facto justify our desert adventure, this time. We've already bombed some of it last year. So, its not exactly an apples to apples comparison, is it? But I get it, even if I might disagree a bit.

However, I also believe this whole post-Dubya Desert Adventure trauma is going to bite us in the ass if we keep letting it dictate our policy today. Hard. Some people don't even realize they are turning into Matt Groening re Nixon, and that'd be a lot funnier if the implications weren't so fucking worrying.

Edited for typos/clarity. I woke up way too early today.
 
account to mute dumbs said:
What did he mean by this?
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El Al announced on Monday that it has begun preparing a rescue operation to return Israelis stranded overseas due to Operation Roaring Lion. The rescue flights will begin once Ben-Gurion Airport reopens and approvals are received from the state and security authorities.

Transportation Minister Miri Regev announced that Egypt had agreed to allow Israeli flights to land at the Taba and Sharm El Sheikh airports as part of the rescue flight operations.
 
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