GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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harbringer883 said:
I hate to break it to you but that was dead everywhere except America. Unless you where planning on buying a facebook marketplace special, there was no way in hell you could build anything half decent for under 500.
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"Half-decent" is a bit of a stretch there. A quick Amazon search for "mini PC" brings up a bunch of options.

This ties into something I was a bit MATI about the other day. A video about how viable a DDR3 build is in 2026. "We don't run benchmarks or play indie games. We play games that people actually play!" And it's Cyberpunk and Battlefield 6. ie, AAA slop. Supposedly Stardew Valley, Mewgenics, and Eurotruck Simulator 2. and Terraria all have more players on Steam. All of which I think would work happily on a DDR3 machine. The CPU is the bottleneck, so them throwing in bigger and bigger GPUs and not seeing any improvement was just dumb.

Even if you want to play AAA, A "cheap" GPU can do wonders. I'm still running a RX 6600, and it plays everything at 1080p, high settings. If you want more, upscaling and frame gen are a thing now. Even Resident Evil Requiem, which just came out, only requires 16gb of RAM.

That might seem all over the place. RAM, GPU, CPU, etc. But my point is, unless you want some kind of 4k ultra 144fps, then a budget option seems fine.
 
The Ugly One said:
The "AI-PC" where you press up a button to bring up a frontend to cloud-hosted chatbots. What was that NPU for again?
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Hopefully a highly efficient form of background spying that doesn't spin up the system fans. Also ensures the PC gets 16 GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD at a minimum if they want the Microsoft sticker.
 
Judge Dredd said:
The CPU is the bottleneck, so them throwing in bigger and bigger GPUs and not seeing any improvement was just dumb.
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Somehow, none of these benchmarkers seem to understand that CPUs haven't processed graphics in 20 years.

Judge Dredd said:
That might seem all over the place. RAM, GPU, CPU, etc. But my point is, unless you want some kind of 4k ultra 144fps, then a budget option seems fine.
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The benchmarkers also like to pretend that 90 fps gives them stabbing eye pain.
 
Judge Dredd said:
Even if you want to play AAA, A "cheap" GPU can do wonders. I'm still running a RX 6600, and it plays everything at 1080p, high settings. If you want more, upscaling and frame gen are a thing now. Even Resident Evil Requiem, which just came out, only requires 16gb of RAM.

That might seem all over the place. RAM, GPU, CPU, etc. But my point is, unless you want some kind of 4k ultra 144fps, then a budget option seems fine.
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it's not like it used to be where anything but high settings looked like shit and low settings could run on a toaster, now low/ultra is just a slider between how the game looks running on a ps4/ps5. way back in the day buying a HD68XX instead of a HD69XX was a stupid idea but now with the way games perform and how expensive the top range is, its not shooting yourself in the foot
 
big pauper said:
it's not like it used to be where anything but high settings looked like shit and low settings could run on a toaster, now low/ultra is just a slider between how the game looks running on a ps4/ps5. way back in the day saving like $80 to buy a HD6870 instead of a HD6950 was a stupid idea but now with the way they're priced and tiered out buying a midrange card is not shooting yourself in the foot anymore
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People think of the 30 series as current when it's 5 years old.
 
big pauper said:
it's not like it used to be where anything but high settings looked like shit and low settings could run on a toaster, now low/ultra is just a slider between how the game looks running on a ps4/ps5
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Yes. I'm a big proponent of that. Tempted to link the 2kphillip video again.

The difference between high and ultra is indistinguishable to me. I'm gaining free frames!

I remember playing RE2 Remake a bunch, and the only settings that had a noticeable difference was texture resolution and shadows/ambient occlusion. It turned out texture resolution was the fix for my problem as the stutters were it swapping textures in and out all the time (i had a 3gb gpu at the time).

I'm interested in upscaling. At 1080p, it does little for me and looks horrid, but when I see videos about 4k or even 1440p upscaling, they will zoom in x12 on a fence and say "look at the artifacting!", and I'm squinting trying to tell which is which.
 
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When we talk about the consumer segment, one of the most significant problems with integrating CXMT/YMTC into laptops, mobiles, and PCs is that manufacturers will find it challenging to use chips from Chinese suppliers in a landscape where government use is forbidden. We have seen reports that major PC manufacturers have contacted CXMT about potential DRAM collaboration, but it would be interesting to see whether the talks materialize into an actual integration.
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Judge Dredd said:
I'm interested in upscaling. At 1080p, it does little for me and looks horrid, but when I see videos about 4k or even 1440p upscaling, they will zoom in x12 on a fence and say "look at the artifacting!", and I'm squinting trying to tell which is which.
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Heuristic upscaling kind of sucks and can't be fixed. Has someone hacked FSR4 to work on RDNA2?
 
Judge Dredd said:
Even if you want to play AAA, A "cheap" GPU can do wonders. I'm still running a RX 6600, and it plays everything at 1080p, high settings. If you want more, upscaling and frame gen are a thing now. Even Resident Evil Requiem, which just came out, only requires 16gb of RAM.
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Wonder if APUs will get powerful enough soon to replace the budget gpu market? For desktops I know steamdeck is a thing.
 
They were once men said:
Wonder if APUs will get powerful enough soon to replace the budget gpu market? For desktops I know steamdeck is a thing.
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AMD just announced a lineup of Ryzen AI 400G desktop APUs, but they're all based on the smaller Krackan Point die, slower than the 8700G. Maybe they are staggering the launch and will release a Strix Point-based 470G later with full Radeon 890M.

I think 8700G is around the performance of a GTX 1650. If (generously) Radeon 890M is around 30% faster, it could reach the territory of GTX 1060, RX 580, GTX 1650 Super, etc. But with some advantages like having as much "VRAM" as you can afford to give it instead of the 4/6/8 GB of those cards.

In the short term, DDR5 memory is expensive, the fastest APUs need it, faster memory is preferred for higher bandwidth, and DDR5 for socketed is outpaced by LPDDR5X for mobile. So it's an all-around bad situation for desktop APUs.

Signs point to disappointment for Zen 6-based Medusa Point APUs. Intel could try to challenge desktop APUs but they have ignored it for a long time. Ditch the sockets and you can find faster options like Strix Halo, Panther Lake, etc., possibly in MODT motherboard form, but they aren't for a tight budget.

The (new) budget GPU market sucks right now, but all it would take is one good option to shake things up. Such as a retail release of the OEM-only RX 7400 8 GB. Pair some good $150-200 GPU with a DDR4 build and you're golden.

Short answer is NO. Definitely not within the next 3 years.
 
They were once men said:
I don't get why this isn't officially supported on RDNA 2, I think alot of people would use fsr4 even if the framerate isn't as good as the others
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Because then you get a Vex rageface vid, "Did AMD just DESTROY FSR on older GPUs?!!?!?" and a follow-up, "How AMD is trying to FORCE you to buy RDNA4 by BREAKING RDNA2 and 3."
 
Do blower style cards make a lot of noise? I'm making some final decisions about GPU purchases and whilst I can meet the power requirements for this card, I've never had a blower style card before and this will be a desktop in the same room I work and a normal PC mid-tower case with three fans (two front, one rear, but option to add top fans if I chose). I want to know if it will be very noisy or hard to cool.
 
Overly Serious said:
Do blower style cards make a lot of noise? I'm making some final decisions about GPU purchases and whilst I can meet the power requirements for this card, I've never had a blower style card before and this will be a desktop in the same room I work and a normal PC mid-tower case with three fans (two front, one rear, but option to add top fans if I chose). I want to know if it will be very noisy or hard to cool.
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I don't know for sure but my reasoning compelling to say yes...

  • Its fully enclosed so the card heatsink can't utilities the case own airflow.
  • It has one smaller fan compared to non blower style cards. but if you think about it both type of card has to dissipate a predetermined amount of heat. How do you do that with less fan and a smaller one? Bigger rpm.
  • Blower fans usually used in server racks, Do you want a server rack running next to you while you working? Ther is a reason why decent corporation using dedicated serevr rooms (besides authorized physical access and fire safety regulations).
But of course its some low TDP card at the getgo and not some chink modded 4090 feel free to ignore me.
 
Forklift Certified said:
I don't know for sure but my reasoning compelling to say yes...

  • Its fully enclosed so the card heatsink can't utilities the case own airflow.
  • It has one smaller fan compared to non blower style cards. but if you think about it both type of card has to dissipate a predetermined amount of heat. How do you do that with less fan and a smaller one? Bigger rpm.
  • Blower fans usually used in server racks, Do you want a server rack running next to you while you working? Ther is a reason why decent corporation using dedicated serevr rooms (besides authorized physical access and fire safety regulations).
But of course its some low TDP card at the getgo and not some chink modded 4090 feel free to ignore me.
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An RTX Pro Blackwell edition at 300W.

Your reasoning makes sense and is the reason I asked, but would love to get the view of someone who has a blower style card. If there were a non-blower version that would probably be preferable as unlikely to pair it with a second GPU, but if blowers aren't a constant irritation maybe it's fine.
 
Looks like there are more and more motherboards that support dp alt mode over USB-C... I'm almost tempted to upgrade to AM5 just because of that.
 
Overly Serious said:
Do blower style cards make a lot of noise? I'm making some final decisions about GPU purchases and whilst I can meet the power requirements for this card, I've never had a blower style card before and this will be a desktop in the same room I work and a normal PC mid-tower case with three fans (two front, one rear, but option to add top fans if I chose). I want to know if it will be very noisy or hard to cool.
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Blowers indeed have a reputation for being noisy and running hot. AFAIK, their real advantage comes when stacking lots of cards.
 
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