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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Also I saw Wuthering Heights and it was pretty good. Not the best in any way but still a lot better than I expected.

Costumes are gorgeous, everything is shot well, it's funny in parts, tragic in parts etc. Plus the Charli XCX score doesn't feel that out of place somehow. It's significantly better than the Nosferatu remake that nails similar themes (with a flipped gender gaze) and tone, plus doesn't outstay its welcome (I think it's only just over two hours) even though it makes some... interesting changes to the book to make it work.

Funnily enough I think it ended up with the same problem as the Barbie movie where some elements were portrayed so poorly that Cathy comes across as the most irraational woman to ever exist, like if I didn't know it was a female director I'd have just assumed that this was a man who read the cliffnotes edition and went "Man, Heathcliff really got fucked over by that bitch, right?" which unironcally makes this an unintentional male positivity movie.

Plus it ends when Cathy dies which, as we know is like halfway through the book so means that half of the most horrific things that Heathcliff does just doesn't happen. No idea if they're doing this as a "Hey guys, guess what that was only Part One" like the Wicked bait and switch or if this is legitimately what Emerald Fennell views as her definitive version of Wuthering Heights.
 
Daily mail's current top headline is "MANSPLAINING EXPERT!" because an anchor baby party leader for talked over on a morning talk show.
To her credit, Badenoch didn't call it that. Lewis gatecrashing an interview to harangue her for being insufficiently labourist is the real story, so why the Mail buried it in their mansplaining bullshit-

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If anything it's people between the ages of 30-45 who are MOST likely to be using VPNs or TOR. These were the people who went from no computers to owning a computer and seeing the rapid changes in computing over the years in schools, home and the workplace. They're the sweet spot for having been in a situation where they needed to troubleshoot something after seeing their OS radically change between versions, whereas anyone who first used a PC in 2014 will have only seen minor changes across the years as Windows 11 is still relatively similar to Windows 7.

I've had this discussion at work loads where you could throw almost any 30ish year old who is a little autistic into a techie job and they'd be able to pick things up as they go along whereas people in their 50s and people in their 20s will struggle HARD.
People mistook one side of the hill to be an unending slope, but it was not. The idea that young people understand technology more than old people has proven false. It turned out to be more of a bump around a certain age range. That's like to continue as AI and further targeting of the lowest common denominator drives technical ability even lower. It drives me nuts that my phone doesn't have a clear and easily accessible directory structure, like my computer does. It's been made to be accessible by the sort of person who just wants to save something into the heap and then see it presented to them in the next app. That I might want to impose my own organisational structure on the files I use, is anathema to Google and Apple.

To tie it back to the university discussion maybe they should focus more on the humanities again. If anyone can tell an AI what to do or what to make, it becomes more important that we have people doing that to understand what they should be telling their AI to do. If a few more people were familiar with the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire or read classic English language works, maybe society would be a better place. Someone reading Chesterton's Ballad of the White Horse is more likely to feel some patriotism than someone watching the Margot Robbie Wuthering Heights.

It's pretty likely that MiW knows how to use VPNs, TOR, how to torrent, what private trackers are, has experience with Linux, and witnessed the internet before it became essentially four websites that control 90% of the traffic.
I expect he does. But what he fails to disguise is his mode of writing. And for the same reason I would - it's what he wants to write. He could change up his jargon (though he didn't try) or introduce every post with "Allo, my neme is Annette end I eem a french mademoisssellle". But the next line is always going to be "Et j'adore Nigel Farage..."
 
It drives me nuts that my phone doesn't have a clear and easily accessible directory structure, like my computer does. It's been made to be accessible by the sort of person who just wants to save something into the heap and then see it presented to them in the next app
It will horrify but possibly not surprise you to learn that i work with systems at work that are set up like this. They’re supposed to be repository type structures as well. It all used to be paper based and take thousands of people. Now it’s supposed to be a trial / document filing system, but there is no clear structure you can browse through. So if I want to check program X, trial Y, country d, site c, patient x, I can’t drill down to that. I cat see what’s in there and what’s missing unless I use ‘THE DASHBOARD’ which is so badly set up it’s useless.
I asked why I couldn’t see the structure and was told ‘use search.’
 
If anything it's people between the ages of 30-45 who are MOST likely to be using VPNs or TOR. These were the people who went from no computers to owning a computer and seeing the rapid changes in computing over the years in schools, home and the workplace. They're the sweet spot for having been in a situation where they needed to troubleshoot something after seeing their OS radically change between versions, whereas anyone who first used a PC in 2014 will have only seen minor changes across the years as Windows 11 is still relatively similar to Windows 7.

I've had this discussion at work loads where you could throw almost any 30ish year old who is a little autistic into a techie job and they'd be able to pick things up as they go along whereas people in their 50s and people in their 20s will struggle HARD.

It's pretty likely that MiW knows how to use VPNs, TOR, how to torrent, what private trackers are, has experience with Linux, and witnessed the internet before it became essentially four websites that control 90% of the traffic.
Fair enough. I'll concede on that most likely millennials will know better than early Gen X and late Zoomers overall. But if we are talking normies than it would still be a majority regardless of age demographic.

To her credit, Badenoch didn't call it that. Lewis gatecrashing an interview to harangue her for being insufficiently labourist is the real story, so why the Mail buried it in their mansplaining bullshit-

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Something something hate journalists something something you think you do blah blah.
 
Isnt Lyr Powell 30? Our welshy is in his 40s
With how niaive he was/is, he has either never travelled outside of his little town - which happens in Wales and Scotland, people live in their communities and never leave, then you meet those people and know they'd end up murdered in a city, but I digress, or he is very young.
My guess would be MiW was born post-9/11. His frames of reference were...off.
Zia Yusuf was visited by the specter of Lowe last night and has today announced the 'Polanski law'; Aiding illegal entry into the UK will be a criminal offence, regardless of intent, punishable by up to 2 years in prison
This isn't a win. What Yusuf is saying is "we will flood the already max-capacity prison system with undesirable foreign, mainly muslim criminals, and then in 2 years time they will be released into the country.
From illegal to legal in 2 years. It's putting them in hotels in all but name and the tax payer still foots the bill.

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Look at how he is standing here. Right in the front and centre of the shot, everyone else behind him. He is meant to be there meeting Powell and his team, yet where's Powell? Hiding behind Yusuf. Yusuf is such an ego maniac that he can't even be second, or joint (hand-shake pose) to the guy he has come to endorse.

This clown is running reform, he just needs a whiteface to run taqqiya while he consolidates power.
 
People mistook one side of the hill to be an unending slope, but it was not. The idea that young people understand technology more than old people has proven false. It turned out to be more of a bump around a certain age range. That's like to continue as AI and further targeting of the lowest common denominator drives technical ability even lower. It drives me nuts that my phone doesn't have a clear and easily accessible directory structure, like my computer does. It's been made to be accessible by the sort of person who just wants to save something into the heap and then see it presented to them in the next app. That I might want to impose my own organisational structure on the files I use, is anathema to Google and Apple.
I feel like Moore's law stagnating basically broke everything, the general concept of Moore's law was that you'd be able to fit double the processing power on a chip every two years which meant that every four years you'd see something that was twice as powerful and half the price. This lead to all sorts of technological advances and the software and hardware we used one year would be considered redundant in 4 years time so everyone needed to be prepared to throw everything out and start again.

And then... it stopped. We realised it was impossible to make microchips any smaller any time soon (maybe in 10+ years or so we might see advancements) so technology just stagnated with all the R&D going instead into optimisation, making the same technology produce less power etc. If you showed me 2026 tech and said "This is 2013 tech" I could believe you. Phones look the same as they did in 2013, video game graphics haven't had a revolutionary change in over 10 years, every piece of software you use is almost indistinguishable from 2013 etc.

There are some kids who first used a PC in 2014 who are using a PC in 2026 and just assume that's what a PC does, they don't understand specs and if they did, they're not running the type of programs that you'd see a difference between hardware. They don't understand the bitrate of media, they don't know how to troubleshoot a driver or hardware issue so everything is condensed down to "Just works" or "This doesn't work, I'll throw it out"

Technology is unironically locked in right now and with every passing year I feel like we're witnessing a serious brain drain.
 
People who grew up using phones and tablets are as technologically illiterate as those who grew up before the advent of personal home computing.

A 20 year old and an 80 year old have the same understanding of a PC as the other does.

Those who grew up in the 80's and 90's (70's if you were ahead of the curve) using computers know more about them than any other age group and as they die and retire, the technological ramifications could be pretty bad.

If it took NASA 50 years to get back to the moon (let's play pretend) because they lost the OG blueprints and designs, how long will it take 10,000,000 indians and africans to achieve the levels of computing knowledge we had pre-smartphone? Scary thought.

Technology peaked between 1990 and 2010. Gaming, movies, tv, computing, technological advancements, all achieved in those 3 decades.
The inventions and technology introduced in the final decade of the millennia, far surpassed anything created since the turn of it.
 
I expect he does. But what he fails to disguise is his mode of writing. And for the same reason I would - it's what he wants to write. He could change up his jargon (though he didn't try) or introduce every post with "Allo, my neme is Annette end I eem a french mademoisssellle". But the next line is always going to be "Et j'adore Nigel Farage..."
It's not even his mode of writing, it's the constant Reform wanking that gives it away. If he joined the thread and just discussed things no one would have cared. As I said before, I mind people trying to preach at me and blind fanaticism. If I had noticed I wouldn't have brought it up except he couldn't stop himself from reform propaganda.
And then... it stopped. We realised it was impossible to make microchips any smaller any time soon (maybe in 10+ years or so we might see advancements) so technology just stagnated with all the R&D going instead into optimisation, making the same technology produce less power etc. If you showed me 2026 tech and said "This is 2013 tech" I could believe you. Phones look the same as they did in 2013, video game graphics haven't had a revolutionary change in over 10 years, every piece of software you use is almost indistinguishable from 2013 etc.
The current focus seems to be more on storage space improving. They're trying to fit more in smaller spaces. It's weird opening a new PC and finding the hard drive is the size of a CPU.
There are some kids who first used a PC in 2014 who are using a PC in 2026 and just assume that's what a PC does, they don't understand specs and if they did, they're not running the type of programs that you'd see a difference between hardware.
Modern software is so poorly made you don't see a major difference in hardware any way.
Technology is unironically locked in right now and with every passing year I feel like we're witnessing a serious brain drain.
I agree, but I also don't cling to the idea of a PC. I would always want a desk top for gaming, I never liked lap tops. But I also understand that's almost a novelty now. If you ever lose internet for a week, you will notice how easy it is to live with just your phone. Your phone is able to do everything but play the latest games as well as your PC can. It's not how I like to live my life but I can understand the idea of a home PC is becoming the new VHS. We'll eventually just evolve technology until our phones are out desktop gaming devices and we'll just plug them into docks if we want to use the TV. Something like the switch is basically already there and it's just a matter of time until that style of machine takes over. Same way you never see just a printer any more, it's always a printer scanner.
 
Saying a parent should teach their kids to be respectful, well read and fearless is fine, that's the parents job.
Wrong again.

Polite, not respectful. Respect is earned. You can be polite and civil to someone on meeting them, before they earn your respect. Expecting to be "respected" upon meeting someone is a niggerish value, not a British one.

Well read ? That I would have thought is one of the key responsibilities of a teacher ! Before schools and universities became daycare centres or exam factories, it used to be the job of the faculty to produce well read and broaadly well educated students. Whilst parents do have responsibility in the formative years of a child ( setting the initial building blocks of reading and encouraging an academic and knowledge based curiousity ) I'd argue this is a school or universities job to educate and facilitate a broad base of knowledge - to be "well read".

Fearless ? WTF. Is it the parents' job to produce brave and fearless individuals ? What are we raising, a population of fucking trans lesbians ?
The job of the parents is to a certain point to instill fear into a child - not fear as such, but certainly an understanding of consequences. This is a huge issue I have with a large proportion of society nowadays - people need not to be fearless, they need to fear the consequences of making bad decisions and be held accountable for them. This is a foundation of a responsible society and one reason why ours is crumbling. Obviously children need to be nurtured and protected from harm when they are babies, but I would argue that once they are old enough to understand the real world a bit, they should be made to think through the consequences of their actions. By all means instill confidence and initiative, empower a child to make sensible decisions ( and reward them for it ).But being fearless is very, very dangerous in the real world and only a very irresponsible parent would want their child to be completely fearless.
 
Look at how he is standing here. Right in the front and centre of the shot, everyone else behind him. He is meant to be there meeting Powell and his team, yet where's Powell? Hiding behind Yusuf.
To be quite honest, would you want to put that potato faced cretin front and centre?
On the other hand he was selected to run for election and become an MP, so I guess their judgement is completely off...but then again, the LOLs as he mumbles his way through PMQ would be hilarious
 
It's like reading. You should really know how to read by the time you're being expected to learn actual material. It blew my mind at age 11 that loads of my class read at a pace of 1 word every 10 seconds, and still needed their fingers to track their place on the page. But then again, I am dirty fucking nerd. So.
If you think hard about it, you could track how exactly you became a more proficient reader than your age-11 peers. I was in a similar state.
For me?
PL: I liked watching my dad play Rome Total War, which I then played myself — badly. I was 5 or 6-ish. Got me into Romans/history which lead to me wanting to read Horrible Histories Rotten Romans in the school's library. I think I was in Year 3 or 4. Essentially, circumstances growing up helped push me towards reading of my own volition.
Rome Total War -> Romans -> Horrible Histories -> now I like Reading/History

Since most schools don't force kids to read a book on their own until they enter college and high/primary schools introduce kids to books in the worst way possible (class reading) it's like they do everything they possibly can to discourage children from reading books. They make it slow and boring, and associate the act of reading with school/education so they create no positive associations. You can say the same of school and education in general, it doesn't encourage any individual initiative with learning in of itself.

Though my educational trajectory might've been a little more borked than most.
My first encounter with WW2 wasn't in a classroom but Call of Duty World at War.
I remember seeing the flag of the Soviet Union was like this for me.
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Felt dead chuffed.

TLDR: Play Rome Total War in front of your kid if you want them to be a autist history enthusiast.
 
every piece of software you use is almost indistinguishable from 2013 etc.
Oh come on.
It’s all far worse!
The job of the parents is to a certain point to instill fear into a child - not fear as such, but certainly an understanding of consequences.
Yeah, I sort of see it as a gradually expanding boundary. As a baby they’re vulnerable and totally dependent on you, and you do wrap them in cotton wool. As they get older, you expand that boundary and allow them to take small risks, then larger ones, you outline the consequences and while you keep them safe from huge threats, you’ve got to let them take the smaller risks. Climbing trees, fighting, being outside and playing. Consequences are good discipline - refuse your gloves? Ok you’ll get cold. Keep acting up? We will go home and you won’t get ice cream. Obviously there’s a limit, you don’t want to expose them to genuine danger, but a bit of mild peril is character building.
The best you can do is give them the tools and abilities to manage the world as best they can, and the knowledge that you’ll always be there for them.
Fearlessness is maladaptive. Fear exists for very good reasons and you should always listen to it. Far too much of modern social conditioning is trying to break kids natural fears - that bloke in a frock looks weird, and you stay away from him.
 
TLDR: Play Rome Total War in front of your kid if you want them to be a autist history enthusiast.
Play games with your kids that require simple reading. Play snap where you need to read the words on the card. That kind of thing goes a long way to setting them up.
Fearlessness is maladaptive. Fear exists for very good reasons and you should always listen to it. Far too much of modern social conditioning is trying to break kids natural fears - that bloke in a frock looks weird, and you stay away from him.
Woman moment (half trolling). Fear exists for a good reason but understanding fear means you don't always give into it. There's reasonable fears like staying away from a bloke in a frock or a wog. Then there's unreasonable fears like spiders or Warwick Davis. Understanding your gut instinct is an essential skill and something you should always listen to. But fear is often misplaced and a man must conquer it. Imagine sitting in a pub and you really like a lass, but it's scary to approach her. If you listen to the fear you never get cuddles on the sofa when it's raining.
 
Then there's unreasonable fears like spiders or Warwick Davis.
I’m not talking about that sort of stuff. There’s three types maybe:
1. Dwarves - well you just say tough and make them keep going
2. Reasonable but stuff you’ve got to get over: stuff like exams, the dark, climbing a tree. That’s the sort do stuff it’s GOOD for kids to challenge and overcome and you also need to understand WHY you’re scared. Of heights? Then climb well.
3. Natural repulsion - that’s the trannies in the girls locker room stuff. And the should listen to that and NOT be told by society that they’re bigoted.
Fear is always a signs something is wrong. You don’t always run away, sometimes you need to face it, but you always listen
 
According to the skibi toilet's profile this is the person behind the Made in Wales account.

There's articles about him getting death threats online and someone spitting on him on the BBC.
While that would be incredibly funny I doubt any politician would be posting on the forums
 
Play games with your kids that require simple reading. Play snap where you need to read the words on the card. That kind of thing goes a long way to setting them up.
There was this school of thought called Associationism which emphasised stuff like this. Though this idea of going that hard on your child's education sort of fell out of favour as being cruel. But for a while in the 1800s you got tons of prodigies and prodigies in all but name due to this style of education. It'd be very involved though and modernity doesn't really allow for it given how time intensive it is.
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Same way you never see just a printer any more, it's always a printer scanner.
It's kind of funny how back in the 90s everyone had a printer but now it seems that nobody does. Everyone just collectively realised that inkjet printers were dogshit and they didn't really have the room for a full toner printer to print a bank statement out once every three years.
misconduct in office.
Just like the Andrew shit, I see this being nothing but media sensationalism. I mean there's far more meat with Mandleson than Andrew but these just feel like show trials where they don't really have anything specific on them so just throw the most pathetic charge at them in the hope they incriminate themselves into something bad.

Weeks of combing through files and this is the most they can find?
 
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