Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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Leylon Sneed said:
I don't know if you're actually retarded, or just pretending. Iran manufactures ballistic missiles, they have domestic F4 and F5 variants, they make a MBT. The reason we knew they were even developing the Shahid was because of the bulk order of engines, which for all I know they have figured out manufacturing for by now. The inertial guidance in Shahids is the same they use in their BMs.
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If you buy a LEGO set and build it, did you manufacture it? The electronics are Chinese, Iranians are just soldering/plugging them in.
 
polakrobak99 said:
Yeah you two nigger-brained imbeciles are getting blocked.
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Please do, I dunno how blocking works on here because as far as I know I've never blocked anyone who posts in actual threads, but if it means less interactions with you, I'm all for it.

donksmanSupreme42 said:
believe me, it can't handle any jamming lmao, also like
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donksmanSupreme42 said:
thats not what's in a shahed lol, these things really are lawnmowers with wings, a cheap GPS reciever, khamenei's shittiest inertial navigation system and a bomb
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I'd be surprised if any fighter with a decently powerful AESA couldn't fry cheap elecrical components in a basic-bitch Shaheds using just raw microwave conductivity. The range would be low but these things aren't hard to catch up to. Either way, they were very easy prey for fighter-based EW during the 2024 exchange, the intercept rate was around 99%.

That said, there are a lot of different Shahed designs, including ones that Western analysts haven't gotten a look at yet. Who knows?
 
polakrobak99 said:
If you buy a LEGO set and build it, did you manufacture it? The electronics are Chinese, Iranians are just soldering/plugging them in.
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Does your IKEA furniture work as furniture until you put it together as furniture you fucking moron? Or do the flatpack pieces just magically work as a couch straight out of the box?
 
polakrobak99 said:
If you buy a LEGO set and build it, did you manufacture it? The electronics are Chinese, Iranians are just soldering/plugging them in.
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They don't innovate, but they do manufacturer. They have to import a lot of the raw material/chips, and it might all be based on F14 tech, but they do it domestically. Even is I were to concede that the chips themselves are Chinese, the tech it's based on is American, French, ect.
 
Leylon Sneed said:
Even is I were to concede that the chips themselves are Chinese, the tech it's based on is American, French, ect.
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Which is another good point, could you even by that guy's logic consider the Chinese to be manufacturers? All they're doing is copying line for line and bolt for bolt off of white people 99% of the time anyways.
 
VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
That said, there are a lot of different Shahed designs, including ones that Western analysts haven't gotten a look at yet. Who knows?
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pretty sure we are talking about the shahed 136
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Which is another good point, could you even by that guy's logic consider the Chinese to be manufacturers? All they're doing is copying line for line and bolt for bolt off of white people 99% of the time anyways.
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im pretty sure the chinese know how to make new stuff, theyre scarily competent when they want to be

it's just theyre allergic to innovation, any hint of individuality is societally suppressed, the term "bugmen" is a decent description
 
Unless I am mistaken, I think even the default Shahed 136 has some fairly involved (for its cost) anti-jamming functionality. When I was looking into why the Russian variant (Geran-2) functions better in Ukraine, it seems that the functionality is actually Iranian in design, they just can't get the parts due to sanctions. It may also explain why the Russian version is quoted as costing so much more to produce.

Source: ctrl+f "nasir" here.
 
Man vs persistent rats said:
Unless I am mistaken, I think even the default Shahed 136 has some fairly involved (for its cost) anti-jamming functionality. When I was looking into why the Russian variant (Geran-2) functions better in Ukraine, it seems that the functionality is actually Iranian in design, they just can't get the parts due to sanctions. It may also explain why the Russian version is quoted as costing so much more to produce.

Source: ctrl+f "nasir" here.
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polakrobak99 said:
Shaheds which managed to get through SAMs in Israel managed to hit some military targets, and those are definitely protected by jamming. So they must have some jamming resistance.
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AFAIK the basic Shahed 136/Geran 2 just has a basic satnav/inertal setup. So against stationary targets they still have some degree of accuracy when the Glonass or whatever signal is jammed, if you have the necessary degree of luck. The Shahed 238/Geran 3 has enhanced anti-jam functions, which I would guess is a home-on-jam function and/or a basic and cheap image-based scene-recognition function, and definitely a better GNSS/INS setup because the ones in the basic Shaheds really do suck; that last one could probably be brought onto prop-driven 136 variants pretty easily, when parts and industry work hours are available.
 
In some extremely expected news: 2 years into the plan to make 155mm shells in Mesquite, 0 (zero, zip, nada, zilch) shells have been produced.
The ol Arsenal of Democracy has been replaced by the Arsenal of Bureaucracy. I don't care that Ukraine aren't getting free shells to fight their retarded war, just annoying that things can be so inefficient now. 3 years of trying to increase production and it's still only 56k/month, I know it isn't WW2 anymore, but you see the numbers of shells being made per month then in comparison to now and it's just pathetic.
 
This thread is actually not that bad at the moment now the anime niggers are muted

The problem with gripen is its worse F-16, its got nothing going for it, they did nothing to differentiate it from any other generic tactical jet

They market it as a deluxe product, and some third world nigger hell states even buy in, but the real problem is that its only marginally cheaper per flight hour than an F-16V and in every other way is hugely inferior
 
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A shitpost for you on this auspicious day.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Only when they have someone else do the first 80-90% of the work for them.
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Can I introduce you to the modern Western world for the last 20-odd years?
geckogoy said:
They market it as a deluxe product, and some third world nigger hell states even buy in, but the real problem is that its only marginally cheaper per flight hour than an F-16V and in every other way is hugely inferior
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A fool and his money are soon parted...
but in all seriousness, the Gripen is just good enough. Add a "designed by Sweden" sticker and suddenly it becomes a wundewaffe. Nevermind the fact that their best tech is literally just imported equipment with a different designation
 
VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
It's mostly just trying to be a funny Stargate meme, not a serious commentary. Although, people trying to downplay how dominant this air and missile campaign is compared to 'spam ballistics and attack drones', that is also rather funny.
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It reeks of that NCD-style of posting where anything not built or designed by a north virginian engineer with a chinese wife is not a real weapon. JASSM and Shaheed are completely different use cases where one's a high-precision instrument to create a large hole without anyone being able to do much of anything while the other is something that is cheap enough that you can throw them at secondary and tertiary targets willy-nilly and who cares if they get shot down because you can build more.
 
The Grognard said:
It reeks of that NCD-style of posting where anything not built or designed by a north virginian engineer with a chinese wife is not a real weapon. JASSM and Shaheed are completely different use cases where one's a high-precision instrument to create a large hole without anyone being able to do much of anything while the other is something that is cheap enough that you can throw them at secondary and tertiary targets willy-nilly and who cares if they get shot down because you can build more.
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It's actually a pretty decent reference if you think about it from a doctrinal perspective, where it isn't really the weapons of the Goa'uld that are the issue, since SG teams take very quickly to stuff like Zat'nik'tel which have no real human analog. It's the way in which the Goa'uld use the technology that defines them as brutish slugs who rule through exploitation and terror without understanding anything. Which can be directly compared to how the US military now has stuff like LUCAS, which is basically just red white and blue Shahed, but is using it in a coordinated way to oversaturate defenses and make a better environment for extremely targeted strikes, instead of just volleying large amounts of expendable low cost weapons without ever making a realistic attempt to go find and kill stuff. Just like you could make a Goa'uld staff weapon with sights and a stock, and it wouldn't be as much of a terror weapon anymore.

But, again, I really didn't see any of that initially or intend any of that while posting it. It was just supposed a shitpost.
 
VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
It's actually a pretty decent reference if you think about it from a doctrinal perspective, where it isn't really the weapons of the Goa'uld that are the issue, since SG teams take very quickly to stuff like Zat'nik'tel which have no real human analog. It's the way in which the Goa'uld use the technology that defines them as brutish slugs who rule through exploitation and terror without understanding anything. Which can be directly compared to how the US military now has stuff like LUCAS, which is basically just red white and blue Shahed, but is using it in a coordinated way to oversaturate defenses and make a better environment for extremely targeted strikes, instead of just volleying large amounts of expendable low cost weapons without ever making a realistic attempt to go find and kill stuff. Just like you could make a Goa'uld staff weapon with sights and a stock, and it wouldn't be as much of a terror weapon anymore.

But, again, I really didn't see any of that initially or intend any of that while posting it. It was just supposed a shitpost.
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The average target of such a weapon is a stationary building. They aren't going to be moving a lot and as far as I can tell, the Iranians are attempting to mix their strikes so that everything important gets at least a token amount of their Scud-derived ballistic missiles while the flying lawnmowers are more to destroy things like oil platforms and fuel storages. They also seem to be getting some satellite footage from the PRC so they have at least some way of verifying if they hit something important.
 
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