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Well, if the clanker is right, that's probably why Aguilar ignored the suit.

It does say something about the law when even the most basic, preliminary thing in a lawsuit can be this ridiculously convoluted. Still, it should have been within the abilities of even a mental midget like Russhole to manage to serve someone. How many times has he had this exact problem, even when a tard guarding judge kindly attempted to explain to him what he needed to do (ignoring the general rule that courts are not supposed to give legal advice)?
 
So he can afford to pay for a process server but not the $80 to get the document he was ordered to get by the judge in his other case.

How much has he spent on his other cases now?
 
Well, if the clanker is right, that's probably why Aguilar ignored the suit.

It does say something about the law when even the most basic, preliminary thing in a lawsuit can be this ridiculously convoluted. Still, it should have been within the abilities of even a mental midget like Russhole to manage to serve someone. How many times has he had this exact problem, even when a tard guarding judge kindly attempted to explain to him what he needed to do (ignoring the general rule that courts are not supposed to give legal advice)?

I pressed the AI further on this particular situation and it had this to say below. Surprisingly, it is a rather complex issue, and not 100% settled in the 9th circuit. However, there is a strong better than not chance that it will be dismissed as deficient. This ought to be interesting.

However, since it's Ol' Drooly, I would tend to believe that it is deficient, rather than not, because, well, it's him. His entire existence is deficient:

Prompt: "Is it a requirement that they use the state rules, or is there an alternative method for service in this scenario?

Response:

Utilizing Nevada’s state rules of civil procedure is not a strict requirement. The "borrowing" provisions in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) are permissive, not mandatory. The FRCP provides its own independent, default federal methods for effectuating service, which a plaintiff may use as a direct alternative to the state's procedures.

Depending on how the federal district court categorizes the official-capacity defendant (either mechanically as an individual, or strictly as a proxy for the state entity), the FRCP outlines specific, mutually exclusive alternative mechanisms:

1. The Federal Alternative if Categorized as an Individual: FRCP 4(e)(2)​

If the court strictly applies the rule for serving an individual, a plaintiff may bypass state law entirely by utilizing any of the three default federal methods:

  • Personal Delivery: Delivering a copy of the summons and the complaint to the state official personally.
  • Dwelling or Abode: Leaving a copy of the documents at the official's personal dwelling or usual place of abode with someone of suitable age and discretion who resides there.
  • Authorized Agent: Delivering a copy to an agent who is authorized by appointment or by specific law to receive service of process on behalf of that official.

2. The Federal Alternative if Categorized as a State Entity: FRCP 4(j)(2)(A)​

If the court categorizes the official-capacity suit functionally as a suit against the state itself, the FRCP provides a single, specific federal alternative to the state-law method:

  • Chief Executive Officer: Delivering a copy of the summons and the complaint directly to the state's "chief executive officer" (which, for the state of Nevada, is the Governor).

Practical Implications in Litigation​

While these federal alternatives are legally valid and fully satisfy due process under the FRCP, plaintiffs frequently elect to use the state-law pathways (such as serving the Nevada Attorney General under NRCP 4.2(j)) for practical and logistical reasons.

Attempting personal delivery to a high-ranking state official—or attempting to serve process at their personal residence—can present significant physical access barriers, security hurdles, or claims of harassment. Similarly, attempting to serve the Governor of Nevada under FRCP 4(j)(2)(A) for routine administrative litigation involving subordinate agencies is often unnecessarily burdensome. The state rules are deliberately designed to provide a predictable, institutionalized mechanism (usually a designated desk at the Attorney General's office) for accepting service without physical confrontation.



Prompt: "Would the Secretary of State of Nevada be considered an Individual for the purposes of the execution of their office, or would they be considered a State Entity?"

Response:

Classification of the Secretary of State in Official-Capacity Litigation​

When the Secretary of State of Nevada is sued in an "official capacity," federal law bifurcates their identity. The answer depends entirely on whether the classification is being evaluated for substantive liability or for the procedural mechanics of serving the lawsuit.

1. Substantive Identity: A State Entity​

Under foundational U.S. Supreme Court jurisprudence (Kentucky v. Graham, 473 U.S. 159 (1985)), a suit against a state officer in their official capacity is legally indistinguishable from a suit against the state itself. The official is treated merely as an agent or a proxy for the government office they occupy.

Therefore, for all matters of substantive law, the Secretary of State is considered a state entity. This classification dictates the limits of the lawsuit:

  • Sovereign Immunity: Because the suit is fundamentally against the State of Nevada, the Eleventh Amendment generally bars the plaintiff from suing the Secretary of State for retroactive monetary damages.
  • The Ex parte Young Exception: To bypass this sovereign immunity, federal law employs a legal doctrine (Ex parte Young, 209 U.S. 123 (1908)) that allows plaintiffs to sue the state official, but strictly limits the remedy to prospective, equitable relief (e.g., an injunction forcing the Secretary to halt an ongoing constitutional violation).

2. Procedural Identity for Service of Process: An Individual​

A recognized paradox arises when applying the mechanical rules of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP). Even though the suit is functionally against the state, federal appellate courts generally dictate that for the strict purpose of physically serving the lawsuit, the official must be treated as an individual governed by FRCP 4(e), rather than a state entity governed by FRCP 4(j).

This discrepancy exists due to the enforcement mechanics of the federal court system. While the state has a vested interest in the litigation, it is the specific, human public official who is personally bound by a court's injunction. If the federal court orders the Secretary of State to execute a duty, and that order is defied, the court cannot put the "State of Nevada" in jail; it holds the specific human occupying the office in civil contempt. Because the individual faces potential contempt sanctions, due process requires that the human being receive the personal notice protections afforded by the rules for serving an individual under FRCP 4(e).

The legal principles distinguishing substantive state-entity immunity from procedural individual service requirements are established under Supreme Court and federal appellate precedent. However, it should be noted that while appellate courts (such as the First Circuit in Echevarria-Gonzalez v. Gonzalez-Chapel) and various district courts have strictly mandated FRCP 4(e) for official-capacity service, some federal trial courts occasionally exhibit procedural leniency if a plaintiff complies with FRCP 4(j) and actual notice to the state is achieved. Strict compliance with state-law borrowing (NRCP 4.2) remains the most legally robust method to guarantee jurisdiction, as it satisfies the requirements of both the state and the individual.



Prompt: If the plaintiff chose to not use the borrowing provision, would their service be considered deficient if they served the Nevada Secretary of State as an Individual under FRCP, but not as a State Entity under FRCP?

Response:

Applicability of FRCP 4(e) vs. FRCP 4(j) in the Absence of State Borrowing​

Summary ConclusionIf a plaintiff explicitly bypasses the state-law "borrowing" provisions and serves a state official exclusively under the federal mechanisms for an individual (FRCP 4(e)), without also satisfying the federal mechanisms for a state entity (FRCP 4(j)), the service risks being ruled deficient. Because the Ninth Circuit has not definitively resolved a deep doctrinal split between other federal appellate courts regarding this exact scenario, district judges possess the discretion to dismiss the service under Rule 12(b)(5).

The Circuit Split: Substantive Identity vs. Procedural Due Process​

The ambiguity regarding whether FRCP 4(e) is sufficient standing alone stems from divergent judicial methodologies in weighing substantive immunity against procedural due process. Because high-quality appellate sources conflict on this exact procedural question, a comparative analysis is necessary to understand the risk of deficiency.

1. The Individual Service Requirement (The First Circuit Methodology)Courts adopting this view hold that service exclusively under FRCP 4(e) is not only sufficient, but strictly required.

  • Rationale: Even though an official-capacity suit is substantively against the state, federal courts enforce equitable injunctions through their coercive contempt power against the specific human being occupying the office. Therefore, procedural due process dictates that the human official receive the personal notice guarantees of FRCP 4(e).
  • Key Precedent: The First Circuit explicitly rejected the argument that official-capacity defendants must be served under the state-entity rules of 4(j). See Echevarria-Gonzalez v. Gonzalez-Chapel, 849 F.2d 24 (1st Cir. 1988); reaffirmed in Caisse v. DuBois, 346 F.3d 213 (1st Cir. 2003). Under this methodology, serving the Nevada Secretary of State under 4(e) alone is entirely sufficient.
2. The State Entity Service Requirement (The Fifth Circuit Methodology)Courts adopting this view hold that serving a state official exclusively under FRCP 4(e) is legally deficient, requiring the plaintiff to execute service under FRCP 4(j).

  • Rationale: Relying on the Supreme Court's mandate in Kentucky v. Graham, 473 U.S. 159 (1985), these courts prioritize the substantive reality of the litigation: the state is the real party in interest. Therefore, the mechanical rules of civil procedure must align with the substantive reality, mandating compliance with the rule governing states and state-created entities (FRCP 4(j)).
  • Key Precedent: The Fifth Circuit has explicitly held that state officers sued in their official capacity are subject to service under Rule 4(j), rendering 4(e) service mechanisms insufficient or inapplicable. See Moore v. Hosemann, 591 F.3d 741 (5th Cir. 2009). Under this methodology, serving the Nevada Secretary of State strictly as an individual under 4(e) without serving the state's Chief Executive Officer (the Governor) under 4(j)(2)(A) is deficient.

Application to the District of Nevada (Ninth Circuit)​

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has not published a binding mandate explicitly adopting either the First Circuit's or the Fifth Circuit's methodology regarding the post-1993 structural division of FRCP 4(e) versus 4(j) for official-capacity suits.

Consequently, a plaintiff litigating in the U.S. District Court for the District of Nevada who relies solely on FRCP 4(e)(2) invites a highly probable Rule 12(b)(5) motion to dismiss for insufficient service of process from the Nevada Attorney General's office. If the presiding district judge finds the Fifth Circuit's substantive-entity reasoning more persuasive, the service will be ruled deficient.

Service executed solely under FRCP 4(e) without utilizing 4(j) or state-law borrowing provisions carries a substantial, recognizable risk of being deemed deficient.
 
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Well, if the clanker is right, that's probably why Aguilar ignored the suit.

It does say something about the law when even the most basic, preliminary thing in a lawsuit can be this ridiculously convoluted. Still, it should have been within the abilities of even a mental midget like Russhole to manage to serve someone. How many times has he had this exact problem, even when a tard guarding judge kindly attempted to explain to him what he needed to do (ignoring the general rule that courts are not supposed to give legal advice)?
has this faggot EVER served someone correctly? I believe even in the nullsuit™ he only served "correctly" because of accepting email service even though technically out of bounds

also is it really worth it to ignore a suit if you're not 100% sure service was done incorrectly?
 
has this faggot EVER served someone correctly? I believe even in the nullsuit™ he only served "correctly" because of accepting email service even though technically out of bounds

also is it really worth it to ignore a suit if you're not 100% sure service was done incorrectly?
This is why I'm amazed he somehow served Taylor Swift the first time, but then completely forgot how and failed to properly serve her the second or third times

It makes me think she accepted deficient service the first time, but after that, they knew he was no threat and they could safely ignore him
 
The "Individual vs Official" question was answered by Gree himself in the very first page of the complaint. He can't claim he meant to serve Mr. Aguilar as an individual.
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It makes me think she accepted deficient service the first time, but after that, they knew he was no threat and they could safely ignore him
She’s got people for that sort of thing. Having fuck you money means having a bullseye on your back for lawsuits and shit. She likely didn’t know Shitlips was trying to sue his way into her pants and even if she did, it does her well to let people know she isn’t going to be an easy target for every pro se retard looking for a quick buck.
 
The "Individual vs Official" question was answered by Gree himself in the very first page of the complaint. He can't claim he meant to serve Mr. Aguilar as an individual.
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Greee technically had 3 potential ways to handle the service, State Rules ("Borrowing"), Using just 4(e) (1st circuit precedent), Using 4(e) and 4(j) (5th circuit precedent). Looking at all 3, he is clearly deficient under two of them, and not deficient under one of them (the weakest of the 3). So, using the weakest standard, he is ok. Under either of the stronger two standards, he is absolutely deficient (we already knew that). So it is 2:1 against him, with him betting on the weakest standard (it figures Rusty would use the least difficult and cheapest method). I would place a strong bet on it being ruled deficient service (and setting the precedent for the 9th circuit going forward).

Personally, I would love to see Greee try to appeal it under the theory of a circuit split on a rather substantive, fundamental issue for the federal court system. Can you see this shit going to the SCoTUS for a resolution of the circuit split? That would be fucking hilarious!
 
She’s got people for that sort of thing. Having fuck you money means having a bullseye on your back for lawsuits and shit. She likely didn’t know Shitlips was trying to sue his way into her pants and even if she did, it does her well to let people know she isn’t going to be an easy target for every pro se retard looking for a quick buck.
Oh, I know. Rekieta (though I am loath to cite the source) proved Russell meant nothing to Taylor Swift by searching her name on PACER and showing that were 500+ lawsuits against her at that time.

I thought "YIKES! What's Taylor Swift doing to get sued that many times?" But I know the truth is: that's just the cost of fame. In addition to all the normal litigation over copyright and royalties, likeness etc. half of which is also just trolling for a payday, you've got hundreds of crazies like Russell suing her, at least 23 of those lawsuits are the other wackadoo Russ pointed out, and plenty more where he came from too.

It really opened my eyes to the downsides of celebrity. Null, to a lesser extent, is experiencing it firsthand, just without Taylor Swift's personal army of lawyers and endless income.
 
I'm curious what happens here. The court could toss it on their own. But I suspect the Secretary Of State sent a note to the AG's office informing them. There's probably some poor paralegal in Carson City watching these sorts of cases and if the court seems like it's going to entertain an injunction or default judgement they'll have a lawyer pop up and move for dismissal for improper service.
 
I'm curious what happens here. The court could toss it on their own. But I suspect the Secretary Of State sent a note to the AG's office informing them. There's probably some poor paralegal in Carson City watching these sorts of cases and if the court seems like it's going to entertain an injunction or default judgement they'll have a lawyer pop up and move for dismissal for improper service.
Whatever our arguments, the court probably has an answer on what kind of service it expects here, this can't be the first time someone tried suing the SoS. Even if it gets lazy and doesn't inspect or correct Greer's service claims, I would expect it to have a clerk call the SoS office to check what's up before issuing a default judgement changing the state constitution.

It's remotely possible the court will reject claims of servicing but still take up the "emergency" injunction question. But Russ is asking for way too much, without even an answer from the state. Maybe the just-recused judge would have granted it, considering what he did for that MS-13 murderer. But he's gone, and the new judge is looking at a premature motion to interfere with elections without the state or the locals having a say, balanced against the "harm" of one guy not chasing his pet project this year.
 
So he can afford to pay for a process server but not the $80 to get the document he was ordered to get by the judge in his other case.
A key argument of Greer's (in Greer v. Moon) is that he's a broke pro se retard being bullied by that dastardly Joshua Moon. It's why he has a panic attack whenever Hardin brings up him paying for other cases, why he whines that, "This isn't relevant to a copyright case Yuh honah!"
 
A key argument of Greer's (in Greer v. Moon) is that he's a broke pro se retard being bullied by that dastardly Joshua Moon. It's why he has a panic attack whenever Hardin brings up him paying for other cases, why he whines that, "This isn't relevant to a copyright case Yuh honah!"
I really, really hope he explains that he didn't pay the filing fee to sue the NVSoS, it was his very separate and totally segregated PAC funds that paid it.
 
I really, really hope he explains that he didn't pay the filing fee to sue the NVSoS, it was his very separate and totally segregated PAC funds that paid it.
Oh please, please, pretty please let him file something to this effect after the courts shit all over him and while the Secretary of State's eye is on him. Please.
 
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