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I wonder how the Pro-Trains crowd is taking the news about China's High Speed Rail that they revere being mostly empty, because the CCP is scalping train tickets TicketMaster-style to try to suck out more money from the people, so they all crowd to the slower trains instead?
I wouldn't take these chinaslop channels seriously. Most likely cia funded.
It could be the videos of empty trains are the return trips from the HSR trains from the west/interior back towards the east. With the one-way nature of the Spring Festival trips, there shouldn't be very much ridership demand going in that direction so the trains are really just deadheading back.
 
It could be the videos of empty trains are the return trips from the HSR trains from the west/interior back towards the east. With the one-way nature of the Spring Festival trips, there shouldn't be very much ridership demand going in that direction so the trains are really just deadheading back.
That reminds me of an error in thinking of the efficiency of trains. When it comes to traffic flow, the inflow and outflow of traffic is used to justify trains or why they would be a good idea, but that idea seems to fall apart for every trip full of people they have to make a second trip back empty, unless they want to idle in one place until the next rush hour. When Reddit gripes about "car storage", it's better that they're stationary unless moving around mostly empty.

So a while back we were talking about Cul de Sac Tempe and I got a chance to visit it recently with photos and a summary coming soon.

It's what you think.
Don't tease and never deliver. I hope you also got some candid interviews with residents.
 
Don't tease and never deliver. I hope you also got some candid interviews with residents.
CuldeSac

Sometime this February, I was in the Southwest and decided to swing by Tempe, Arizona to check the place out and get a feel for environment. As such, I went to visit the place on a weekday and want to show what I saw there.

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A little snack before my tour.

As I arrived, coming off Historic Route 80 and pulled into CuldeSac, what hit me was just how much parking a supposed car free community had. Now supposedly, this is just for the retail shops but as you will see from the photos, the capacity of the parking lot doesn’t meet the numbers or the lack thereof withing the shopping area of the community.

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Look at all the parking and EVIL pickups.

So we can see from these photos that nearly every single parking spot in the lot off US 80 is taken as well as street parking on E Wildermuth Ave. Now, the defense some might say is that this is for business parking…well again, this was a weekday and you will be dispelled of that…now:

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Egads!, it that an option for overnight parking and an additional parking lot?

So while the community wants to promote itself as a car free community, we see that it not only offers overnight parking but an overflow lot that while not crowded is still in use for a weekday. Perhaps we can see that the place is alive and bustling full of people having a great time.

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Reminiscent of Silent Hill or The Langoliers
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At least I can get the snip or get my tubes tied.

Well, not quite. When I walked around the grounds while not as dead as Night of the Comet only had a couple people out and about while none of the outdoor public seating was being utilized. A visit inside some of the businesses had a handful of more people, a large corporate group at the Mexican Cantina, a couple at the Vietnamese Pho restaurant, and about 10 people at a coffee shop on the property. So perhaps we have 20 people that are patronizing the local business but that’s far less than the cars in all the lots and street.

But what of the people in the shops of CuldeSac?

Just based on the feel of the coffee shops and the surrounding businesses, I got the feeling of mostly trust fund kids that if my assessment of what they were reviewing on their laptops and discussing was correct. This isn’t that much of a stretch as the ASU-Tempe Campus is only a couple miles down the road and accessible via light rail. These people weren’t fit nor grossly overweight but they were just what one would think as nerdy at least for the guys with the women being mid. I did see a couple WFH types but you know what I didn’t see?

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A ghostly empty playground.



Children.

In the one hour, I was there and I never saw a single child with no day care facilities on the grounds with the playgrounds being desolate. Devoid of laughter of the next generation. Additionally, none of the facilities, such as the gym or community space, were really being used. So much for the idea that suburbs were lonely and that a more urban form of living would present something different, but perhaps most of the residents are attending classes.

Now, earlier posts wondered about the expansion of the community, and I did ask some of the residents about it.

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Per the residents, the expansion is going to be new townhomes but they don’t know if it’s going to be for sale as condos or just for rent. Of particular interest, is that they plan to put in MORE Parking when the townhomes are complete with additional rumors that there were talks to make a hole in the wall with the adjoining apartment complex to provide even more parking for the businesses…and residents.

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So in review, the businesses are a ghost town that get a trickle of traffic and would be envious of the traffic a Dutch Brothers coffee shop gets in a suburb area, the housing is populated by college kids with some childless WFH types that don’t really exercise. Finally, for a community that is centered on being car free, its residents are pushing for more parking and the community managers are agreeing.
 
Yet another example of urbanist policies being incredibly unpopular:
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I hate this guy:
Landis Wenger, Cache County’s regional trails and active transportation coordinator, said Nibley’s use of mountable islands was a first for Cache County, just as the city built the first protected bike lane along the route.

While walking and biking are becoming more popular in many cities throughout the valley, some degree of public backlash is always expected, Wenger said.

“We can never make everybody happy,” he said. “Our primary goal is to design facilities not necessarily for the people that are already out walking and biking, but how do we get more people out walking and biking? How do we make it safer for those who don’t feel like it’s safe now?”

For his part, the mayor said Nibley will need to continue balancing the needs of drivers with a desire to get more people out of their cars. He said the city recently received a grant from the Federal Highway Administration for almost $300,000 to be spent “towards the goal of safe streets for all.”
Why do we need to "get more people out of their cars" and why does a non-elected "active transportation coordinator" even exist?
 
This is such a fucking retarded design, holy shit. At that point you may as well build a Dutch-styled roundabout since it's a small enough intersection.
 
Yet another example of urbanist policies being incredibly unpopular:
This is near this address and this is how badly this road got fucked up. It was a relatively new road that was half as wide and incomplete in some areas, and could've done well with a turn lane and bike lanes.

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“We thought we were doing the right thing,” Mayor Larry Jacobsen said.

I know the "road to Hell is paved with good intentions" but this is some bullshit.
 
This is such a fucking retarded design, holy shit. At that point you may as well build a Dutch-styled roundabout since it's a small enough intersection.
You're looking at it as something meant to improve both driver and pedestrian safety and that's why it looks retarded and makes no sense. When you look at it as a petty, spiteful creation meant only to inconvenience and infuriate drivers it makes sense, because those are the only 'solutions' urbanists actually offer.
 
A very legal thing that you can do is on single lane roads, if your on a motorcycle, and the car ahead of you is going slow, you can get onto the bike lane and overtake the car. now I would never condone doing this, but I would love to see this guys reaction to someone doing that to him.
 
You're looking at it as something meant to improve both driver and pedestrian safety and that's why it looks retarded and makes no sense. When you look at it as a petty, spiteful creation meant only to inconvenience and infuriate drivers it makes sense, because those are the only 'solutions' urbanists actually offer.
This!!!! This thread has talked about compromises and perhaps possible solutions but they don't want that. Bugmen won't be happy till everyone is living in 3rd world tier conditions and somehow it's going to make things better when 3rd worlders do what they can to escape those living conditions.
 

Saw this video and thought: Is a favela slum "effective walkable urban design"? lmao

Do they just want shantytowns no longer zoned out of existence so they can live as indigents within shambling distance of the city wherein they can effectively leech and grift?
 
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Saw this video and thought: Is a favela slum "effective walkable urban design"? lmao

Do they just want shantytowns no longer zoned out of existence so they can live as indigents within shambling distance of the city wherein they can effectively leech and grift?
Plopping those in a parking lot would anger people like that but that was once an acceptable apartment complex design IIRC.
 
He's really MATI:
He's mad because there's no driver to shame, and knows that if he tries to attack the Waymo he'll be charged for vandalism, or make a reason for Waymo vehicles to have automated self defense systems.

If you get gunned down by a self-driving car for being a vandal, remember, it's the future you chose.
 
/r/fuckcars discusses the difficulty of keeping friends as a car-hater:
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Stay strong, OP:
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"People who like cars are just like people who don't like vegans":
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"Why don't religious people agree with me after I mocked their religion"?
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"Why do my kids get bullied at school because I'm a weirdo?":
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"Their whole lifestyle is based on cars so they don't accept criticism":
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"Why should I have to listen to people who disagree with me?":
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"Women have been much more understanding":
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/r/fuckcars discusses the difficulty of keeping friends as a car-hater:
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I've laughed about it before and will definitely laugh at it again, but that fucking retarded "muh other countries" argument will never stop being funny. Everyone likes cars. Cars are a desirable commodity everywhere. In piss poor countries a beater that works on faith alone is still better than no car at all
 
There's a bus character who is a DICK and gets BTFO by Thomas so they probably view that as anti-transit.
They also don't understand the distinction between main and branch lines, they just get confused about Gordon not pulling the Express at top speed to every station on the island. They also don't understand why narrow gauge doesn't exist on every street for deliveries, and it's not just because Duncan would be terrible at Ubereats.
 
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