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[Baraka Obama]

Is scalping and marking up HSR tickets actually more profitable than pricing HSR tickets at the correct or lower cost to ensure that they're used to full or almost-full capacity?

I haven't watched the video but from what I recall the CCP constructed a bunch of HSR lines to places that don't have large populations to support them and they were never profitable or really viable to justify their existence. Their network is also covering vast distances in a way that rail in say France or Japan or even fucking Morocco wouldn't, which makes them even more expensive to operate and maintain. These lines were popular when they were heavily subsidized.

A naive reaction to this would be to increase fares but that quickly becomes a vicious cycle and you get empty trains.

 

[quaawaa]

LLMs are brainwashed to be urbanists:



Except for the one of the Chinese ones (DeepSeek):


and Google's:


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[Xarpho's Return]

But the US had a suspension monorail train from 1982 until 2018.
In one of the most "diverse" cities in the country, no less: The Memphis Suspension Railway URL='https://archive.ph/OdZGA'[/URL].
It's right next to the Bass Pro Shops Pyramid:
Transit advocates are retards who never do any research.

On my 2024 trip that I've brought up a few times in this thread, I remember seeing the line, with the car still hiding on the Mud Island side of the line. I was hoping it would emerge out and I could photograph it, but then I looked it up and I realized it hadn't operated in years. Too bad!

Another point, you never hear about these people mention most Americans first experiences with public transport: The school bus. Just as a career in criminal law in any urban center should turn any reasonable liberal into an out-and-out racist, any long term usage of the school bus during childhood should turn any reasonable person into a car-loving, NAP-worshipping, civil rights-hating gigachuds. The lack of seat belts, heating or decent suspension; the circuitous routes turning a 5 minute journey into almost hour long slog, the potentially pedophilic bus drivers - not to mention the racial detritus that occupy the seats if you go to a school anywhere less than 30 miles out from a major population center who are always itching to start something. It's a little microcosm of what's to come when you're forced to engage with the lowest common denominator on their level, as redditors so desperately want.

Real niggas would have their mommy or daddy to drive them, and the REALEST niggas would get occasional happy meals on Fridays if they got a 100 on their spelling test.

On a broader scale, they get big mad when they see long dropoff lines, but this is the result of liberal policies. School buses are a nightmare to be on because they pick up an hour early and drop off an hour late, no matter what. The "why can't kids walk to school" is a result of screwing around with attendance zones, which means that schools may be miles away. My old elementary school, the one I went to as a youth, was built in the mid-1960s. It was integrated from day one I believe but it was designed as a true neighborhood school. The non-whites that went there lived within walking distance, and the pickup line was short, built onto a residential street. At some point the streets were reconfigured to be one way (at least during school hours, and after several decades, permanently) to allow for the pickup line to work better.

Many years later, a newer school was built closer by to my parents' old house. This school was designed with the screwy attendance map in mind, and was built at the junction of two large roads, with a long, curling pickup line and a stoplight just for the school. The integration with the rest of the neighborhood is very poor, with just one sidewalk running between some houses to the bus line. (This is also for security purposes, even in the 1990s the old school was wide open everywhere, even before Sandy Hook schools started to get locked down).

I don't think in my town specifically, but the whole country got hit with a bunch of activist judges deciding that a 95% white school, even if the non-whites there were treated fairly, was "de facto segregation" and making rules to change everything and effectively outlawing neighborhood elementary schools.

 

[quaawaa]

Found this article about how to stop kids from liking cars:

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[Sleazy Car Salesman]

LLMs are brainwashed to be urbanists:

They're still no better at understanding actual logic puzzles than they were twenty years ago when Watson got the Final Jeopardy wrong big style.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

LLMs are brainwashed to be urbanists:
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It reads more like the AI didn't understand the assignment rather than intentionally pushing an urbanist agenda. Everyone should be able to walk 50 meters and it doesn't suprise me that a lot of AIs couldn't put 2 and 2 together about washing your car and going to the car wash or it was making assumptions that you are going to the car wash to get supplies.

 

[quaawaa]

Urbanist describes the ideal neighborhood that he wishes developers would build:



He does not like when people point out that he's describing the suburbs:





More people pointing out that he's describing the suburbs that he hasn't replied to yet:







He's correct though, none of the proposed locations are suburbs with commieblock-level density because those things are mutually exclusive.


Bonus: a fellow urbanist says that all good neighborhoods have 20% low income households:


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[Xarpho's Return]

More people pointing out that he's describing the suburbs that he hasn't replied to yet:

Mueller does fit a lot of what wants, what with it having retail, houses, and green space in the middle of the city (it's on the spot on a former airport) but not "3000+ homes" on 15-30 acres (which is, as one person points out, 100 homes to an acre, not realistic). Something closer to 25 homes to an acre would be doable, but a tight fit. Mueller is quite large, with 300 acres (that includes the large H-E-B with parking lot).

Do you know what can fit a lot of units pretty tightly, has green space, amenities, generally safe enough to walk around in, and something people would willingly pay for?

A good apartment complex. Sadly, the Fair Housing Act has basically made it impossible to actually verify if the tenants can actually get along. With the exception of 65+ communities, you can't have stuff like singles apartments anymore, and with not being able to tailor things to the community, you only have some stock amenities that may or may not be able to be used.

In previous times, even in the 1970s, the singles apartments had a clubhouse that often had parties and events for the young adults who lived there (possibly even open to the public as an operational business). And of course, evictions didn't take months and months to happen back then either.

The crazy part is that most of what he really wants can be achieved, but not without changing the laws that gives landlords more power, and such a thing is antithetical to the existence of these people.

I'd like to share an article with you, "Sex as Athletics in the Singles Complex", an article in the "Saturday Review" and was once briefly mentioned in one of the Houston newspapers where residents in the 1980s swear this was all exaggerated and didn't actually happen. Sadly I can't find the place where I found it anymore because the only place that had it was Unz.org and if it's still there it's been blackholed by the search engines.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

I encourage everyone in this sub to start looking into Soviet city planning because I think we need to all get on the same page about some things.

Urbanist describes the ideal neighborhood that he wishes developers would build:

The thing this guy is describing (and anyone else who prattles on about 15 minute cities) is called a microdistrict which are the foundation of Soviet urban design.

He's correct though, none of the proposed locations are suburbs with commieblock-level density because those things are mutually exclusive.

They are not mutually exclusive because microdistricts are expressly designed for this. Essentially they are a self contained neighborhood that includes high density housing along with stores, schools, and other amenities like parks and sports fields organized in a way that they are all accessible by walking distance from all the residential buildings and they are all equal to other microdistricts. If you need to leave the district you need to use public transportation and because almost everyone in that district works at the same place, transportation can be streamlined. The problem is that they fucking suck and only work if you live in a command economy that has a goverment that tells you where you will live, where you will work, and needs forces a nessassary buisness to open there and stay open because if something like a grocery store goes out of buisness then that district is fucked so there is no room for free market pressures or opportunities for small businesses to grow or expand. Which is why the organic growth of suburban urban sprawl won out for better or worse. You have freedom of movement, organic development of commercial buisnesses and amenities that better reflect the residences needs and wants, the choice to live and work anywhere and personalize your dwelling to better reflect you as a person. The most upsetting part for me is these people pushing it KNOWS microdistricts suck which is why they never cite them as examples dispite being what they advocate for (quick and cheap to build, dense walkable cities with lots of 3rd spaces and built around public transport) instead they need to dress it up with cute terms like "15 minute city" or "Country Clubs(?)" and like true communists they need to pretend their ideas haven't crashed and burned over and over again during the past century.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I think we need to all get on the same page about some things.

That we tar and feather urbanists the first time they bring up garbage urbanism?

 

[FILTH Tourist]

That we tar and feather urbanists the first time they bring up garbage urbanism?

That too. But I wanted to emphasize and try to articulate how much of their ideas are recycled from the Soviets. Just calling them "commie blocks" is too easy for them to dismiss, but I suspect directly challenging them with the microdistrict concept and being able to explain how closely they are to what urbanists are proposing (basically 1 to 1 for the country club retard) would make them squirm a bit because they always avoid talking about them dispite being LITERALLY what they want (maybe with more pride flags and faggy murals over the prefab concrete panels). They either need to keep dancing around it or go mask off, either option would be funny.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Urbanist describes the ideal neighborhood that he wishes developers would build:

There's a park in my area that's about 8 acres. It's not a big park, like imagine a baseball field, some trees, and some extra grass. If you wanted to fit ~3000 units (lol houses) in a space 2x the size of that you wouldn't have much a park left, you wouldn't have space for the schools, no families would live there, the only way you could do it while keeping stupid restaurants and a grocery store would be with a tower 100 stories high with 30 units pre floor. And you'd need supply and Sysco trucks coming in at a minimum to for the restaurants and grocery store so you'd need a big street or two to support that, don't forget a freight dock and turning room.

If we're being honest with what he wants, and ignore the retarded space restriction, then yes it's a suburb focused around relative density. There's plenty that build more townhomes and low rise apartments if you really want. A small town comes close but most of those support outlying rural areas and cannot get away without a lot of cars.

Edit: I measured a 30 acre plot around and including it including a couple larger streets, there's 78 townhouses and 45 detached homes. Good luck!

 

[The Grognard]

That too. But I wanted to emphasize and try to articulate how much of their ideas are recycled from the Soviets. Just calling them "commie blocks" is too easy for them to dismiss, but I suspect directly challenging them with the microdistrict concept and being able to explain how closely they are to what urbanists are proposing (basically 1 to 1 for the country club retard) would make them squirm a bit because they always avoid talking about them dispite being LITERALLY what they want (maybe with more pride flags and faggy murals over the prefab concrete panels). They either need to keep dancing around it or go mask off, either option would be funny.

The microdistrict model at least had the advantage that they were frequently copy-pasted together and thus, if people didn't find what they needed in theirs, they would at least be able to go to the next one with relatively little effort. It also was not unique to the Soviet model either because it was also used in places like Sweden and Finland as the future modern suburb that would feed the factories with workers given affordable modern housing with all the necessary services close by. If anything, the modern urbanists want the same system but outright worse out of spite towards the plebeians for ever liking anything else. Probably also would hate the Soviet model as well because they bothered to create parking lots for the workers who could afford a car or a motorbike.

 

[Epstein's Mexican cousin]

Found this article about how to stop kids from liking cars:

Boy am I glad my parents my parents raised me on Auto magazines instead of this gay shit lmao. I would rather have my kid watch top gear then any of these globohomo urbanist wank off books.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

There's a park in my area that's about 8 acres. It's not a big park, like imagine a baseball field, some trees, and some extra grass. If you wanted to fit ~3000 units (lol houses) in a space 2x the size of that you wouldn't have much a park left, you wouldn't have space for the schools, no families would live there, the only way you could do it while keeping stupid restaurants and a grocery store would be with a tower 100 stories high with 30 units pre floor. And you'd need supply and Sysco trucks coming in at a minimum to for the restaurants and grocery store so you'd need a big street or two to support that, don't forget a freight dock and turning room.

If we're being honest with what he wants, and ignore the retarded space restriction, then yes it's a suburb focused around relative density. There's plenty that build more townhomes and low rise apartments if you really want. A small town comes close but most of those support outlying rural areas and cannot get away without a lot of cars.

Edit: I measured a 30 acre plot around and including it including a couple larger streets, there's 78 townhouses and 45 detached homes. Good luck!

It should be noticed that he wanted "kids should feel safe enough to walk around", or something like that. The answer has never been answered by urbanists by "da CARS", partly because they believe their parents grew up in some fantasyland where they could go off on adventures without parents. Boomer dad spent part of his formative years in the hills of Ohio and West Virginia and that sort of thing was possible while boomer mom grew up in the city. A suburban part of the city, mind you, but the road to the middle school was along an eight-lane road even in the early 1960s. Most of this cognitive dissonance comes from the fact that they can't grasp the fact that high-trust societies and monoethnic cultures go hand in hand, and a functional justice system.

 

[BulkForceFive]

Why does Joe Cohen think an urban high-density development would be 'safe enough to let children wander around'? Is he going to put a gate around it? I got news for ya Joe, just because you priced 'problem tenants' out of your weird upscale Kowloon Walled Country Club, doesn't mean they can't walk in from next door.

 

[Joshua Cohen Mohnstein]

Why does Joe Cohen think an urban high-density development would be 'safe enough to let children wander around'? Is he going to put a gate around it? I got news for ya Joe, just because you priced 'problem tenants' out of your weird upscale Kowloon Walled Country Club, doesn't mean they can't walk in from next door.

It's not the cars that will get you. It's the child rapists.

I don't think in my town specifically, but the whole country got hit with a bunch of activist judges deciding that a 95% white school, even if the non-whites there were treated fairly, was "de facto segregation" and making rules to change everything and effectively outlawing neighborhood elementary schools.

You can still find them. In the US, there are suburban enclaves that become independent cities on the outskirts of larger ones for the sole purpose of keeping a nice school district. Like Grosse Pointe, Michigan. Suburban families don't want their kids going into the jungles of the inner city schools, so they create their own school systems paid for by the suburbs themselves with local taxes.

Of course, because not enough niggers and poors, libs will call these discriminatory, but you can find them everywhere, even southern California. Though, this isn't without resistance from local apparatchiks.

From the Wikipedia page on Piedmont, California in which the authors are evidently upset that people are governing themselves:

Before 1968, restrictive housing covenants and redlining were used to exclude non-whites in the city for many years [...] While surrounding Oakland is one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse cities in the United States, Piedmont has a less racially diverse population. Attempts to ethnically and culturally diversify the city and allow for higher density and affordable housing are typically met with resistance from the city's residents.

They even had a mayor who resigned for being too chuddy:

In August 2017, the mayor of Piedmont, Jeffrey Wieler, resigned after making disparaging Facebook posts about Black Lives Matter and transgender people

Mind you, this is right next to the Bay Area and it's still very liberal, but even those with enough money in SoCal of all places realize they're better off anywhere other than the city schools.

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Two things: One, these peripheral cities still pay into inner city schools with their county taxes on top of the state and federal; All of which is tossed into the black hole of educational funding, so the idea that cities are paying for suburbs - even just in the realm of education - is total bullshit. Two, education is never brought up in carfucker spaces because the people who talk about it often don't have children because they're either children themselves or miserable antinatalists. Families are a big reason why people move to the suburbs which is seemingly never acknowledged. Carbrains apparently just live there so they have more space for Trump flags and Ford F150's.

Universal urbanization would be terrible for kids. Subjecting children to up to 7 hours of public education is bad enough already, but to squeeze them into these urban hellholes and forcing the good ones to contend with feral spics and fatherless nigs is absolutely horrible. It's bad enough with lefty administrations in the nice places who are hellbent on forcing as much diversity as possible, damn what the parents or children think.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Two things: One, these peripheral cities still pay into inner city schools with their county taxes on top of the state and federal; All of which is tossed into the black hole of educational funding, so the idea that cities are paying for suburbs - even just in the realm of education - is total bullshit. Two, education is never brought up in carfucker spaces because the people who talk about it often don't have children because they're either children themselves or miserable antinatalists. Families are a big reason why people move to the suburbs which is seemingly never acknowledged. Carbrains apparently just live there so they have more space for Trump flags and Ford F150's.

Universal urbanization would be terrible for kids. Subjecting children to up to 7 hours of public education is bad enough already, but to squeeze them into these urban hellholes and forcing the good ones to contend with feral spics and fatherless nigs is absolutely horrible. It's bad enough with lefty administrations in the nice places who are hellbent on forcing as much diversity as possible, damn what the parents or children think.

Yup. St. George, Louisiana was talked about here. Basically, the unincorporated suburbs were tired of how shitty the schools were so they incorporated as a new town. It was the talk of the thread a few years ago. The City of Baton Rouge threw a shitfit and sued over it and the lugenpresse smeared the city as a "white fortress", but the courts ruled in favor of it. As one might expect, it was a blow to the "cities subsidize the suburbs!" argument because the opposite was happening in real time.

Likewise with the FSK Bridge collapse. A terrible disaster in many aspects, but another instance where their theories didn't stand up to the reality test.

 

[Major]

I wonder how the Pro-Trains crowd is taking the news about China's High Speed Rail that they revere being mostly empty, because the CCP is scalping train tickets TicketMaster-style to try to suck out more money from the people, so they all crowd to the slower trains instead?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IgcUPJhXcU0
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=CoihG2_CPLA
PreserveTube

Is scalping and marking up HSR tickets actually more profitable than pricing HSR tickets at the correct or lower cost to ensure that they're used to full or almost-full capacity?

I wouldn't take these chinaslop channels seriously. Most likely cia funded.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Why does Joe Cohen think an urban high-density development would be 'safe enough to let children wander around'? Is he going to put a gate around it? I got news for ya Joe, just because you priced 'problem tenants' out of your weird upscale Kowloon Walled Country Club, doesn't mean they can't walk in from next door.

I noticed he neatly skirted the issue of parking because if he said yes parking, his fellow urbanists would've disowned him, if he said no parking he would've been laughed out of the room a lot sooner than he did.