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Should be a wild four years.

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The Ugly One said:
We actually have a control group. Yeah, the Han are more collectively oriented than Europeans, but we can compare the Han in Taiwan, the Han in the mainland, and the Han in Malaysia. I have personally dealt with all three, and the massive, civilizational-scale brutalization of the mainlanders has left its obvious marks. They are also much more prone to cheating than the other two groups, like because Mao instituted a "shoot the messenger" sort of work culture. I don't really know for sure, but you can get shit done with the Taiwanese, while the mainlanders are just shit people for the most part. Less shit now than they were 20 years ago, but I'd still avoid them if I could.
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also diaspora chinese around the west.
there's significant chink minority populations in most western countries and they generally do well. low criminality, good manners, high academic and professional achievement, overall good repuation.
 
The Ugly One said:
We actually have a control group. Yeah, the Han are more collectively oriented than Europeans, but we can compare the Han in Taiwan, the Han in the mainland, and the Han in Malaysia. I have personally dealt with all three, and the massive, civilizational-scale brutalization of the mainlanders has left its obvious marks. They are also much more prone to cheating than the other two groups, like because Mao instituted a "shoot the messenger" sort of work culture. I don't really know for sure, but you can get shit done with the Taiwanese, while the mainlanders are just shit people for the most part. Less shit now than they were 20 years ago, but I'd still avoid them if I could.
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Taiwan historical was under the Japanese east Asia co. Prosperity sphere, unlike the rest of their holdings the Japanese for some reason treated the Taiwanese with the highest care and actively developed them. Being attached to the United states as essentially a vassal further domesticated them. A small population who had everything go relatively well compared to the rest of Asia under the tutelage of the US versus the grand central bug hive with all the minor ethnic groups that needed an iron fist to keep them under control. I consider Taiwan an exception to the rule of 5000 years of Chinese civilization.
 
DumbDude43 said:
also diaspora chinese around the west.
there's significant chink minority populations in most western countries and they generally do well. low criminality, good manners, high academic and professional achievement, overall good repuation.
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They're all potential stringers for the MSS and should be looked upon in perpetual suspicion.
 
he who has thus come/gone said:
I doubt Khanna will ever face consequences in court because of legislative immunity. If we could still challenge politicians to duels, things like this wouldn't happen nearly as often.
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The snivelling from both him and his PR team is pathetic. It essentially boils down to, "well how could he know there was a good reason to only release a redacted version of the documents he had seen to the general public."

Anyone who gets access to those sort of documents knows that their access means they have a duty regarding the information in them. While there exist principled whistle blowers it seems he has done it for cheap points scoring and now it's backfiring.
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
Anyone who gets access to those sort of documents knows that their access means they have a duty regarding the information in them. While there exist principled whistle blowers it seems he has done it for cheap points scoring and now it's backfiring.
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Well we all knew he was doing this for cheap points (along with 99% of others talking about Epstein) because he wasn't saying anything 10+ years ago when we all knew Epstein was involved in deep state and white collar sex trafficking. He was out there shitting on conspiracy theorists for talking about deep state pedophile rings when Alex Jones was ranting about Epstein and intelligence agencies. Now he and his ilk are pretending like they're Epstein crusaders. It's one of the more disgusting parts of this whole thing.
 
WickyWickyWoW said:
Taiwan historical was under the Japanese east Asia co. Prosperity sphere, unlike the rest of their holdings the Japanese for some reason treated the Taiwanese with the highest care and actively developed them. Being attached to the United states as essentially a vassal further domesticated them. A small population who had everything go relatively well compared to the rest of Asia under the tutelage of the US versus the grand central bug hive with all the minor ethnic groups that needed an iron fist to keep them under control. I consider Taiwan an exception to the rule of 5000 years of Chinese civilization.
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Taiwan was ruled by the Japanese for just 50 years. The mass migration of Han to Taiwan happened while Taiwan was under Qing rule, a period that lasted about 200 years, and then the second big wave after the defeat of Japan and the victory of the Communists. The population today is nearly entirely Han. Taiwan is basically what China would look like today if Chiang Kai-Shek would have won. Anyone who doubts the influence of Communism in ruining a people need only look to Korea.
 
So im reading about the aircraft carriers being deployed over to Iran and at first I thought there could be a chance its just a show of force but I was just thinking about the sheer cost to do that and had AI cook me up some rough numbers
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just ONE ship for ONE month is 55 million, thats not counting all the support ships and the fact there is actually 2 or maybe 3 aircraft carriers in the area we arent even sure and ALL thats without even caluclating how much the muntions might cost

so thinking about it like that I feel like this is far to much equipment and to much expense to just be a show off force but im curious for yalls thoughts

How do you guys see this going, simple regime change, in and out Maduro style? imagine we swap in maduro for the Ayatola and just dont say anything and see how they react, take the ayotolla back to Venezuela? IDk might be a better Jim Carrey movie than real policy.

fr, odds on ayotola getting black bagged?

I remeber there was a HUGE militarty build up in the carribean, I think it was ALSO 2 aircraft carriers and 6 support vessels if im not mistaken

boom, right again like always ;)
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Actually am wrong tho they used amphib assault ships witch are like "mini aircraft carriers"
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so my idea still holds, its a platform for a spec ops team and a discombobulator with all the shit you need to get those guys to the OBJ saftley, Iran is just a significantly bigger "threat" than Venezuela as they have and actual navy and missiles (on paper). Venezuela was counting mostly on anti air defenses while Iran, in theory has some actual strike capability, hence why you need so many bigger platforms to be able to counter such threats.

Am I off the fent or cookin?
 
The Ugly One said:
Taiwan was ruled by the Japanese for just 50 years. The mass migration of Han to Taiwan happened while Taiwan was under Qing rule, a period that lasted about 200 years, and then the second big wave after the defeat of Japan and the victory of the Communists. The population today is nearly entirely Han. Taiwan is basically what China would look like today if Chiang Kai-Shek would have won. Anyone who doubts the influence of Communism in ruining a people need only look to Korea.
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I think the point he was making is that Taiwan was colonized by Japan for the purposes of industrialization rather than resource acquisition, enabling their population to become successful. Taiwan was nothing but a few huts and villages when the Japanese came there. Sure, people lived there but it was not industrialized until Japan came. That industrialization continued throughout Chiang Kai-shek’s presidency. You can see the Japanese influence on Taiwan all over the place.

We can only speculate what China would look like if the PLA lost the war. That’s not something anyone could claim with confidence. It’s a giant country.
 
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