AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

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There was Lou Pearlman who managed like every 90s boy band
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"An Incognito Johnson" lmfao. Yes my name is Dick Surprise, I manage 17 year old boy bands but I DEFINITELY don't try to fuck them.

Also reminder Nick Carter (pictured with Lou above) and 2 out of 3 members of LFO are already dead.
 
Goodstuff Goose said:
It's part of the reason why the idea of AI going away with a crash is so unrealistic.
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That's just people being retarded. The people think that an economic bubble popping is the same as complete extinction are the ones that will tell you ai rapes niggers and violates the laws of thermodynamics to destroy water in it's use. No you see there was a housing bubble and it popped and that means the concept of housing is just we gave up on it completely. Some people are just retarded.
HektorInspektor said:
I'm very curious about this. I wouldn't fully put this past me, but I think I'd need more evidence. What specific artists are you talking about?
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I can't remember either because they're all so fucking forgettable. But I am not joking pick any popular song from the past two decades or so and just look at the writing credits. If it ever hit the top 100 then the chances are the writing credits will be attributed to someone other than the person who sang it. The entire industry is just people churning out lyrics and then passing them to an attractive person to be the face of it.

I know for a fact that One Direction was the biggest example when I was growing up. Looking at their shit there's several songwriters and none of them are any of the band members. Their first album was written by Savan Kotecha and Carl Falk. Just take a look at those pages. I can't remember the specific group that wrote a load of songs in that era though. But just those two people have made songs for Ariana Grande, Brittney Spears and fucking Madonna. That's just picking out the most famous ones because all of these people have writing credits for about 50 artists each. Just go on wikipedia and look up any popular band or song and it'll have the songwriter credits at the top on the right. And every fucking page looks like this guy's. Literally just opened a random song and boom there's genuinely hundreds of songs written by the same guy and sang by a load of popular musicians. The entire industry is like that. A songwriter writes a song, normally with a bunch of other people to be generic and have mass appeal, then they take those lyrics and find a good face to perform them. And then everyone thinks that the face is the one who wrote it when in reality it's 5 different jews or jeets. One Direction were picked up by Simon Cowell for their performance and mass (mostly sexual) appeal, he then was either given/bought or commissioned songs that would fit the band and then got them to perform that. None of their first album was even touched lyrically by any of the band members.

The only things that are not tainted by this bullshit are niche annoying cunts and non mainstream genres. Even then, fucking 6ix9ine someone that should be enough of an annoying cunt to not be written by these people and then you check the credits and there's literally 7 people working on one song (admittedly at least that includes the guy himself). Normally rap is one of the few things where it will actually be written by the performer but I guess this just isn't. I do the same, pick a random mumble rap artist and yep still the singer and two other people writing even though fucking none of the words are even audible and it's just noises. When I say obnoxious shit I mean something like 100gecs, from what I can see most of their songs are written by exclusively the two singers. Or Dorian Electra, her shit looks like it's also written by additional writers but she is credited on all of them first. I believe that writing credits are like food ingredients where the most prominent person is listed first. So she probably wrote most of a song and then just had a couple people run by it to check and polish it. Honestly surprised by that. Then you look at edgelord, Dorian and Rebecca black are both listed in the writing credits but they're 2nd and 3rd with the first credit being given to a Weston Allen who she works with pretty often. Then you look at the guy's credits and he's also edited and produced music for BMTH and 100gcs and some others.

Then you take someone like Stan Rogers. You look up any of his songs and he is the sole writer. Corries also sole writers. Every single song is written by them or has some other fucky shit going on if the song is older than records. Something like the wellerman can be kinda fucky in these sorts of things because it doesn't really know who to attribute the song to because it's about 300 years old and no one knows who wrote the original so sometimes defaults to saying that the song was written by the person who sang it when in reality it wasn't. This site seems to be fairly good at pulling all the songwriters and performers if wikipedia doesn't show it. Funnily enough Kanye's heil Hitler song wasn't written by him apparently. It's also funny because you can go to shit like the ricegum distrack and he has literally no writing credit on it. Sometimes it'll just be in the description of the youtube video. Though they normally bury it because they don't want to admit they can't write their own shit. For example Dorian's edgelord credits Rebecca Black as a feature first, then the people who directed and shot and edited the music video, then the makeup artists and prop makers and that sort of stuff, then the music producers and the mixing and mastering, then the very last credit is the people who wrote the song.

If you've ever noticed that a band you like was really raw and full of emotion while they were smaller but that got lost as they grew then check the writing credits. For example BMTH, from one of their first albums 'Pray for Plagues' was written by exclusively band members. Chelsea Smile was too, that's from the next album when they were still niche. It Never Ends from the next still niche album as well. Then they make the albums that brought them a lot of attention, Sempiternal and That's the Sprit, they're still written by the members alone. Honestly surprised to find the next one, Amo, is still written by the band members alone. Then the next one, Post Human, that for anyone not a fan of the band does not sound anything like anything they have made, suddenly starts to feature non band member names in the song credits. The first credits are still given to band members but there's then several extras on the end. Including a Mr Andrew Goldstein. And the very last song I check is fucking co written by the same jeet who did the One Direction song from the start ffs. I'm kinda surprised that Oli has the main credit for most of the recent songs tbh. I won't pretend that I am going to be shocked by what I am going to find, mostly because I've already seen the band in the credits I've scrubbed through for some of these people. Frank Carter and The Rattlesnakes. Similar vibe. Picked a couple songs from Blossoms (the best and first album) and they are written by the Frank and another band member as far as I can see. Then I go to the newer stuff like End of Suffering, I instantly see that neither are the main credit and instead a Cameron Blackwood has the main credit for the first two songs I see and some indian with a minor credit. I check Cameron's credits and it's about 10 different bands I can see instantly, search the name and yep professional songwriter for hire. I know FCatR is not the most popular band going. So just for reference. Here is a song written by Frank. Here is a song written by some random guy they hired. Listen to those and tell me which feels more genuine. You tell me which you think is the best song out of those two. Imo the first one feels much more genuine and has a reason to exist. The second one is just flat and anemic that feels more as if Frank got popular and didn't know what to do with it and so hired a guy to help him capitalise on that fame. Blossoms was made because Frank had something to say and was fucking intent you will hear it and you will hear every ugly second of it, EoS was made becuase he was popular and wanted to feed his family no massive emotional or creative drive behind it and so it feels more like just rhythmic noise instead of the raw and emotional music that came before it. Obviously shit is way more complex than just yea songwriter mean song bad, but in general there is both a causation and correlation in there.

Basically check the song's writing credits either in the description on youtube or a dedicated database for it. If it's just the name of the singer then they are the only person that wrote the song (with some niche exceptions), if it has the singer's name and others then the chances are it was written by the singer and polished up by someone with more experience, if the singer's name is not the first then it probably means they had some ideas that were then fleshed out by someone else, if the singer's name does not appear at all then they had 0 input in writing the song and they were probably just given a complete song because the writers think the lyrics would match their style/audience best.
 
I wish I had screencapped it (I didn't think of this thread when it happened) but I came across a post of one guy saying that the idea that someone could make a song with AI but record it the normal, human way made him sick.

I assume it's because he fears he wouldn't be able to tell if the music had "soul" or he might even like an AI-written song (the horror!).

Also there's the whole thing about controlling what others do even if not in public — similarly to trannies who worry about normies just paying lip service to them instead of being true believers.

Either way, it's insane that someone would worry about such a thing.
 
femboy fart huffer said:
I can't remember either because they're all so fucking forgettable. But I am not joking pick any popular song from the past two decades or so and just look at the writing credits. If it ever hit the top 100 then the chances are the writing credits will be attributed to someone other than the person who sang it. The entire industry is just people churning out lyrics and then passing them to an attractive person to be the face of it.
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I've been saying this shit for years. for a long time the record companies have maintained stables of songwriters, producers, choreographers, etc that simply take care of all the work of being a musician aside from the performance itself. just about every awful retard who gets shoved down your throat by the industry and media etc is entirely an astroturf job. every time you see some asshole like Lizzo, or Playboi Carti, or this Bad Bunny faggot who's apparently the top artist on Spotify now, or even Sabrina Carpenter and Taylor fucking Swift, and you wonder how the fuck they got so popular and who actually listens to this bullshit, check the song/album credits and you'll see the fingerprints of dozens of other people on their work. even when they're the first name on the list, it almost seems like a LARP when you see people like this and this who you've probably never heard of, but have pages and pages of songwriting/producing credits for every obnoxious faggot you have heard of. just about every single name in the music industry with mainstream recognition is nothing more than a face thinly stretched over the work of scores of invisible recording label staff who design, write, compose, record, arrange, edit, distribute, and market their "art" for them while ensuring maximal profitability at every step. if you think almost all mainstream music sounds like mass-produced corporate goyslop, that's because it literally is.

to return to the thread topic (and the thing I came here to whinge about), I was recently informed by a colleague that AI is problematic because it has destroyed the art industry, and that this is essentially some great evil perpetrated on wholesome chungus uwu smol bean starving artists by the great Silicon Elite who are all simultaneously too retarded to understand the consequences of their actions, but also evil INTJ geniuses who know exactly what they're doing. forgive me for sounding extra annoying in this post but this one pissed me off a bit. part of it is the total lack of tolerance for disagreement - he told me to my face that I was simply Factually Incorrect - but also the sheer shortsightedness of it, coupled with the shoehorning in of fucking grievance politics. so many people have conditioned themselves to only understand the world through the lens of oppressor vs oppressed. speaking as somebody who's spent a significant amount of time among art students and art grads, the vast majority of those faggots straight up don't deserve a job. it's insane to me that anybody would spend their college years drawing comic book characters or magic dragons and come out thinking they're owed a paycheck for it. commercial art has always been a cottage industry whose viaiblity is built on extremely shaky ground that regularly caves in. most commercial art jobs simply require the artist to produce something, really anything to fill a void, as long as it's of a certain level of quality and presentability, and often replicating a particular style. those jobs are so hotly competitive because just about fucking anybody with some skill and a piece of software can do it. guess what, genAI can also do it. and it can do it faster, cheaper, and indeed better than the vast majority of parasites trying to embed themselves in the industry. people who bemoan the development of more elegant tools to perform more complex tasks fail to understand that if a machine can easily do your job, chances are that your skillset wasn't that valuable to begin with, or at least, it only had value in the absence of a better solution. and while I understand the grievance of somebody who's devoted their entire career to studying a trade or craft only to be replaced by a CNC lathe or something, art college has never been a sound investment, and I find it very hard to shed tears for any of the entitled children who will never get to live their dream of making millions of dollars drawing for Wizards of the Coast or whatever. no, it's not plaigarism, or injustice, or fucking techno-fascism, or whatever serious-sounding word the retards on Twitter come up with. you're just not necessary, bud. adapt or die.
 
Absurdist Laughter said:
I'm so glad Adapt or Die is a slogan now.
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Yea I fucking hate those retarded nut allergy people too fucking oh i need my epi pen or i die niggers real men use fountain pens not some tellytubby ass name early porn indoctrination pen gigglygoonclown fucking nut allergy wrting cunts they are fuckers put the lolicon in the peanuts they did paedoshashios them
 
Absurdist Laughter said:
Adapt or Die
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The best thing about this statement is that nowhere does it suggest you need to use AI strictly; people need to put in the effort to adapt to a rapidly shifting environment, with it or not. Having to adapt was always the status quo, it's the impetus to innovation and improving services.
 
linchan said:
The best thing about this statement is that nowhere does it suggest you need to use AI strictly; people need to put in the effort to adapt to a rapidly shifting environment, with it or not. Having to adapt was always the status quo, it's the impetus to innovation and improving services.
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Absolutely, it's how Human as a species survived extinction. Not to mention be the survivors of the Homo genus.
 
Runch said:
How can anyone read that and not just feel the AI dripping off of it?
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Desperation? Being socially stunted because of coddling Current Year upbringing?

Maybe coronapanic and the "The New Normal" BS had something to do with that too.
 
Epstein's Mexican cousin said:
AI music is based. My proof?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ_ah6-uszY
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It's shitpost music but it still slaps. I've heard a few examples of more serious music that did legitimately impress me though.

Just like drawfags, a great majority of musicians are just butthurt that it does what they do better than they can. Like, I get it, that is a real ego bruiser. But that's just life, you spend decades pouring your blood sweat and tears into a craft and still you will always run into that one guy at a show who totally outclasses you and makes you feel like a beginner again. It's just now it can be a robot.

Luckily I've always had an excessively above average penis size to fall back on, so of course I can sit here and be smarmy about it.
 
"Art" as a definition was lost to the lunatics ages ago. If you try to use common sense and say the banana isn't art, well that's fine but you have a lot more work to do, you've got to review the dadaists and stuff like street art/graffiti, performance art...

All of the most eyerollingly dumb shit like the banana are forever going to be enshrined in art history books, and they're not gonna say "some people tried to say this was art at the time, but we now know it was not." They're just gonna affirm along with everything else. Gatekeeping art is a lost cause, so fuck it. It's not like the word is meaningless. You can still say things are shitty art. Or barely art.
 
I'm personally making 6 figures worth of money from a side gig this year that I never would have been able to do without AI so AI is a W for me.
 
Somebody probably already said it, but I don't really care about AI making soulless art when so many actual creatives nowadays have barely any soul either.
 
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