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Don't forget, you're here forever: a TiF barely at the cusp of her 20s despairs over the knowledge that transgenderism requires being shackled to doctors and pharmaceutical companies for however long you choose to engage in it. "I'm only 19, so the idea of doing this for another 50+ years sounds incredibly exhausting to me," she whines; I find that she's buried the lede a bit here, though as she admits she got on HRT at 15 and top surgery at 16 and yet still feels dysphoria so intense, "(my) life can make (me) suicidal at times." What's the point of indulging in pediatric transitioners if they're going to be sorry little sad sacks no matter what we do? Fucking bleak.Well...shit
Well I came out to my parents as trans and now I'm the disgrace of the family
During a conversation about urination, penises and foreskins - a truly cerebral and intellectually stimulating debate, I'm sure - a li'l dood dwells miserably on knowing that not only does she have nothing to contribute to such a discussion, other people around her know that she has nothing to contribute. To make matters worse, nobody even wants to acknowledge her engorged hyenaclit as a li'l poon-is in its own right, which just worsens the divide she feels with actual men.Overwhelmed by the idea of doing this for the rest of my life
I can't stop thinking about how I will always be trans, I will always have to give myself injections, I will have to deal with surgery (as I want phallo), and I will have to deal with doctors for my transition for the rest of my life. I'm only 19, so the idea of doing this for another 50+ years sounds incredibly exhausting to me. I was lucky enough to start T at 15 and have top surgery at 16, which has been a huge help for my dysphoria, but I still have severe bottom dysphoria, which I know I will eventually need to get phalloplasty for to be happy, but that wont be for at least 5 years because I'm a full time student who doesn't have the money or time to have a serious operation like that in the near future. I pack daily, which helps, but the fact that my dick is fake and not really attached to me can be even more dysphoria-inducing sometimes. I can't be in a relationship because I'm too insecure, and I know that I couldn't be a good partner to someone else because I couldn't meet their sexual needs. I can't even think about someone seeing me naked without feeling disgusted. Maybe that will change if I find the right person, but it doesn't seem possible right now. The idea of having this problem for a long time or even the rest of my life can make me suicidal at times. I feel incomplete even though I have done and continue to do everything I can to minimize the dysphoria. I pass, and I try to be stealth when possible, but people keep finding out in different ways and seeing me differently, which makes everything so much worse. Some people know and don't care and still see me as a man, but others clearly do not. I want to be able to live a normal college guy life, and while, for the most part, I do, my dysphoria holds me back in many ways, too. Right now, it's hard to see things ever getting much better, which is crushing.
Fashion victim: after taking his sister's clothing (allegedly with her blessing), a MTF does not see the beautiful and fair maiden looking back at him from his reflection as he had hoped; instead, the magic that wearing her dresses once held has now disappeared, leaving OP painfully reminded of the anatomical disparity between the two of them.I get dysphoric when my friends talk about dicks, and I hate it
So I have several queer friends who are sex positive and openly talk about sex, genitals, etc.
This evening, a cis lesbian friend was asking the group if people with penises have to hold and aim their dicks when they pee. One of my cis gay friends said that he sits down to pee, but that he knew the size of your dick contributes to whether or not you have to aim it. Another of my cis gay friends chimed in how uncut guys do bc they have to hold their foreskins back.
By the end of the conversation I was super dysphoric. Partly bc I obviously couldn't take part in the conversation, and that made me start thinking about not having a cis dick and starting to get dysphoric. But also bc I knew the others assumed I had nothing to say about it. This has happened to me many times in the past as well, where I get super dysphoric when people are talking about penises around me.
It didn't really help that one of my gay friends was talking about guys with "shrimp dicks" at one point. I don't desire to use my dick for penetration, even if I had a cis dick. But the dick size shaming still gets to me bc it reminds me of how people assume that trans men can't top. Bc they either assume we wouldn't want to, or bc they assume we haven't had surgery so we're all incapable of any penetration, or that we don't use prosthetics, etc etc. I guarantee he would probably never expect me to feel upset about what he said bc according to him and most cis people, I don't have a dick at all, bc they don't count bottom growth.
I'm not really asking for advice or anything. Just expressing how much it sucks that dysphoria hits like this. I hope it lessens over time bc I have no plans for bottom surgery.
I have only told one friend about this. I'm not going to tell the others bc I work with a few of them, and people talk mad shit at our job. I don't want anyone knowing that weakness of mine unless we're very close, which is why I've only told one friend so they can avoid that kind of conversation with me.
I'm just tired of it![]()
Cathol-ick: a FTM who grew up attending the Catholic church learns the consequences of dishonesty when a missionary from the church learns she is not who she says she is and thus bans her from various vents at the church until she gets good with God. One might imagine that transgenderism and religion would go together like oil and water, but the doodz in the comments are quite supportive, even going as far as to encourage OP to turn the other cheek. Haha, just kidding, they suggest beating the shit out of him and trying to find out if he's secretly gay to ruin his life. Which do you think troons 'n' poons exhibit more of out of the 7 deadly sins? Because wrath and lust are practically neck-and-neck from where I'm sitting.Tried my sisters clothes, idk what i was expecting to happen
I tried my sister clothes on today, thinking i'd get this euphoric moment from seeing myself wearing her dresses and stuff (she said if i ever wanted to i could just take them), but in thw end, all i got was the worst dysphoria i've ever felt.Im almost 20cm taller than my sister, so i dont even know why i thought the clothes would fit. Asidw from the not fitting, all they did was exaggarate my masculine features. I've got wide shoulders and pretty big arms, which im really insecure about, and all the clothes did was make them look even bigger. Everyrhing i dislike about my body was exaggarated 10 times more. I thought i could revreate a momemt from 6th grade when i first wore my sisters dress, the joy, the relief, euphoria, everyrhing. I just wanted to feel some relief from everything thats currently going on. Its feb 4th, which is making me feel anxious and worried for reasons i'd rather not talk about, i've been sick the whole week which meant i couldnt do voice training, which is like the one thing thst makes me feel happy, i've got a super important exam in 2 days, which i cant even study for because my head hurts too much. Everything just feels stacked against me and i feel like im being selfish or something writting this because theres people who have it a lot worse than I do.Im sorry if i made anyone uncomfortable while reading this
EDIT: Thank you everyone for the replies, reading them is really making me feel soo soo much better. I love you all![]()
A pooner can't wait to be a fat, bald old man and doesn't understand why true and honest gay men, some of the most particular and careful about their appearances, find such traits to be unappealing. In fact, the only other "men" who understand her bizarre inclinations are fellow doodz, which just makes her even more dysphoric. I have to admit, the TiF desire to look like withered old guys is a lot less nasty than the TiM desire to look like fertile young nymphets - but if their statistical suicidality is to be trusted, what they're all really eager to look like is worm food.Got outed today…
Hi, hopefully I’m posting this under the right flair.
So for context, I grew up Catholic and am currently in university. I have also been stealth since I was around 17-18 years old. Most people in my life don’t know I’m trans and that’s kinda how I like it.
About six months ago, one person at the Catholic church I attend found out I was trans. I don’t know how, and he seemed genuinely surprised, but accepting. Or so I thought. I got a text message from one of the missionaries today asking to meet him for lunch. It seemed innocent enough. He said he just wanted to talk about faith. But when we sat down, he just asked “are you transgender?”
I was so caught off guard that I just nodded yes before I could react. He told me who told him, and I was then told:
1- I am no longer welcome in my bible study, or any of the men’s OR women’s events at the church.
2- I should re-read Genesis (Gen 1:27) and contemplate how God created male and female only (I am a medically transitioned trans male).
3- I should abstain from attending mass and church events until I can accept my woman-ness in God’s image.
I understand that religion is very controversial with queerness, but the church I went to in my hometown was very accepting. I guess I didn’t think it would happen to me. But yeah, I’m pretty heartbroken as my faith is important to me, but so is my identity as a man.
If anyone has any advice or kind words, they’d be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for listening y’all ig
A stealth FTM needs answers on how to establish to her female friends that she is definitely NLOG without outing herself as, secretly, like them. I don't know why OP is so confident they haven't clocked her and are simply trolling her, because that's perfectly in line with female social behaviors, but I suppose building a life entirely on the foundation of deception might make you a bit more stunted in terms of social development.Anyone else ever feel dysphoric ABOUT their own attachment to manhood and desire to be masculine?
I'm a 29 y/o gay trans man; I've had both top and bottom surgery and have been on T for 9 years and have been living as stealth for a long time. I'm sure that tackling my physical dysphoria so thoroughly has played a part in the evolution of my dysphoria in general to focus on things like this. But this is how I feel nonetheless.
It's in particular as it regards to being gay and fitting in with other gay men, but really in general I'm so often reminded that a lot of the things I really look forward to regarding manhood, especially in aging, seem to be things that ONLY a trans man would want. Because cis men are so casual and neutral about their manhood that they wouldn't think to care about these things. They don't want their hairline to move backward, they don't want to go grey, they don't want to get fat, they don't want to age fast in general - especially not cis gay men.... But my ideal stage of manhood is middle age. I can't wait to be in my 40s. I want salt and pepper hair and I want more body fat and I want my age to show on my face. And the only other men who seem to share these desires are other trans men. The cis gay men that I've had as sexual partners (therefore the only cis ppl in my life who know that I'm trans), when I've mentioned this, have only agreed that it made sense in the context of me being trans. And i HATE that.
Logically I understand it, but it upsets me to have desires that are so distinctly trans, that just remind me that my experience of manhood is separate from a cis one.
A man pretends to be traumatized when, upon getting the troon bombshell dropped in her lap, his mother seeks out support from a fellow relative of theirs. Though he writes emphatically about what a deep and burning betrayal this is, I find it amusing that even he admits she was supportive right out the gate, thus proving there is seriously no fucking winning with these people.Stealth experience of androphobia, how can I correct my friends?
Hey all, I know that this topic has been discussed a lot, but I had an experience with it recently and came home realizing I felt hurt, and need some advice.
I have been stealth for almost my whole life, I am in a lot of friend groups in school, and recently, have made friends with a group of women, and I'm glad that they feel comfortable around me, but I feel odd when they say "hey ladies" "your one of the girlies", etc. I've tried expressing things like, "hey what do you mean one of the girls", etc. but they say it's because I'm "not like the other men, one of the girls" (eeeeeeeeww), mind you I'm stealth, and there is 0% chance they new me pre-transition, I was in a different country. I'm not at all feminine either. If I try to say I don't like it they say it's cause "toxic masculinity". I just want to know how to talk to them about this, and how it isn't toxic, without letting on that I feel strongly in part because of my transness and the ways I've fought to get to the place I am, and I sure didn't do it all so I could be "one of the girls", far from it.
I know some people are going to think I should just avoid them, and I know that it's not ok what was said, but I need to explain to them better why they should not do it,
I want to explain in a kind of humorous way because I have never really been comfortable talking about my feelings in a lot of depth with others, (not great maybe but I digress), but I'd appreciate some help with what to do, because I realized today that I have fun when I am conversing with them but at the end of the day I'm just like any other guy and that includes not wanting to be emasculated.
A HSTS (i.e., a homosexual man) admits that he really, really isn't a fan of transbians due to past encounters which have allegedly ended in suicide threats over sexual rejection and calls to 911 for police protection; now he's been left in the psuedolesbian lurch yet again, and it's starting to take a serious toll on him: "(I) had hoped for so long to find a small crowd of divas with (a shared living experiences), to have cunty dinners with and talk about our (lifes)." If only someone would give this Hairy Bradshaw his power-clique of girls to break bread with!My mother outed me to a family member
Because "she needed to talk with someone", my privacy and safety be damned. TBF she has been very supportive so far, but outing me to a family member when I'm not publicly out AT ALL (for safety and anxiety reasons) is such a betrayal of my trust. I'm devastated, and so disappointed, I'm not sure if our relationship can ever recover from this...
According to this troon, transbian polyamory is not a matter of if, but a matter of when, which hurts his feelings because he just wants to settle down with a little husband while all these horny, incest-fetishizing catgirls won't stop trying to convert him. It's so crazy how there's basically not a single group out there that likes transbians except for other transbians. And if we're being honest, that's really more of a prison gay situation; after all, what is the average MTF Discord server but an episode of Oz that, somehow, has even more rape?feeling betrayed when newfound friends turn out lesbian
I would love explore if anyone else feels like this and why I am feeling like this:
The last year I've met a few new people, all trans women my age, and we stayed in contact and met up now and then. There is some distance between where we live, but I managed to travel a few times last year (and just a few days ago!) to meet up and go out.
I was under the assumption that we were all straight and seeking out relationships with men. We share a lot, especially liking the binary of relationships with men, lots of interests, values, our positions in society and our identity - at least that's what I assumed. As I got to learn more about them, two of them (and probably the third one aswell, we'll see) just exited long-term relationship with their girlfriends / wives and have never been with men. They also kind of lied about when they started transition and it turned out we didn't all start during our late teenage years but much later, some of them just less than <2 years ago. And as it also turns out, two of them are already dating and in relationships again, with women.
I had some encounters in the past where friends (trans lesbians) turned out to be in love with me and then overstepped boundaries, forced themselfs on me, or threatened to hurt themselfs when I couldn't be with them. It ended with breaking up on my part, with police and emergency services and a certain fear of a certain type. This happened so often over the last, idk, 7-10 years, that I just avoid trans circles overall and especially when they're lesbian. It also makes me kind of lonely regarding trans topics/trans friends.
So when I found out my new friends avoided the topic elegantly of them being straight (aka kind of lied, kind of avoided) I felt so betrayed. I know it sounds stupid to have this friendship-preference at all and I hope it's not lesbophobia, but it felt like a gutpunch. Like, not only because of my past experiences but also because I feel like they played pretend a lot and turned out to be hot air. In short, it makes me feel betrayed, it makes me feel isolated cause again I get pushed into this imaginary corner. I remember at the start of my transition I just wished I could be bi or lesbian cause queer spaces are just very anti men, anti normative and all of that fuzz. I couldn't find anyone that shared any of my traits, I began to think that my sexuality is the problem. Not that this identity as a straight woman should be *that* important but I had hoped for so long to find a small crowd of divas with a shared living experiences, to have cunty dinners with and talk about our lifes. My life will go on but I'm growing more and more hopeless that I won't ever find my clique.
Am I just homophobic, is it past trauma? Or is it a understandable position? Can anyone relate?
I obviously don't have trans people in my life that I could share this with, I try to be stealth and I don't make friends easily. I've read many times that most often, straight (&binary) trans people just live their lifes without any past connections to queer circles or other trans people. Is that what's healthiest for people like us?
xo
This one actually makes for a great follow-up to the last 2 posts: a TiM is cheesed because his handmaiden girlfriend is supportive of all trannies - including a friend of hers who OP claims is not "living the life of a trans woman." This one is so ironic, it almost defies belief, so trust me when I say you really only need one highlight for this one: "I'm just struggling with the frustration of often having to be around at social events with someone whose gender is at best a courtesy everyone goes along with out of respect whereas that's not at all my experience, and that these are treated as exactly the same." Whoops! I guess even transbians fucking despise other transbians. Now how's that for an L?I feel insane
There have been a lot of talks that i've seen on this sub around the topic of being monogamous as a trans woman. And I really don't want to feel like i'm beating a dead horse. But i'm so frustrated and talking about it will help me feel better.
I hate being monogamous around other trans people. I keep getting made to feel ostracized because I don't like being part of poly dynamics. And I could probably deal with it if it was just that. But the fact that so many trans women that I meet try to make this big show of "you'll become poly one day" or trying to convert or recruit me even after I explicitly state that saying those things makes me uncomfortable, makes me feel invalid in my identity. Like somehow i'm not actually trans unless i'm poly. And logically I know that's not true, no one but me can decide what my identity is and how valid it is. But it's almost scary the disregard my own friends have for my boundaries and comfortability around it. It's scary and depressing how they make me feel insane for disliking when they make comments or even jokes about converting or recruiting me. Even my closest friends can't stop doing it. And I could keep going for hours and hours but I don't want it to sound like i'm bashing poly people for being poly. That's not my intention. I'm happy they're able to find a relationship structure that makes them happy. I just wish that they would stop crossing that boundary. And I wish being mono didn't make me feel so alone.
Having a Hard Time With My Girlfriend's Trans Friend
So I (26MTF) started dating my now girlfriend a little under a year ago. She's a capital L lesbian, and actually makes me feel incredibly safe as a trans person because she's so uninterested in men that I don't doubt she sees me as me. She was open minded about dating a trans person and immediately grew a huge appreciation for the unique lens I believe we love our partners with.
The trouble is her friend. She is about a year younger on me, and identifies as a trans woman. The problem is, this person makes absolutely no effort to look or sound remotely female. Yes, she is on hormones, but refuses to voice train, shave her chest or often even her face. This not a "she doesn't pass" issue, many of us don't pass, I'm not at all casting judgement on that. My concern is that I didn't even know she was trans when I saw her. I thought she was maybe a femme gay man or a cissexual non binary person.
I've sort of sworn off talking to her friend about transness because when I made the mistake of talking about some internalized transphobia issues I have around bottom surgery (I want it, but there's always that evil voice that makes me worried I "lose" a part of my transness), and she sort of accused me of that insecurity being transphobic to *other* trans women. This frustrated me, because, and I don't exactly know how to word this with grace, I don't think she is living the life of a trans woman, and this is due to how she chooses to present, not her passability or lack thereof.
This sometimes creates tension between my girlfriend and I, because I went through the gambit to present as a woman, so much so that after surgeries, style skills, grooming, etc. I became beautiful, and beautiful/confident enough to ask out the prettiest girl in the bar the night we met and now we love each other deeply. And yet I feel as though she is being dishonest when she says that her friend is "just as trans" as I am. I don't think she believes this, because she clearly wouldn't go out with this friend romantically due to how she presents.
I'm just struggling with the frustration of often having to be around at social events with someone whose gender is at best a courtesy everyone goes along with out of respect whereas that's not at all my experience, and that these are treated as exactly the same.
I became beautiful, and beautiful/confident enough to ask out the prettiest girl in the bar the night we met and now we love each other deeply.
I went through the gambit to present as a woman, so much so that after surgeries, style skills, grooming, etc. I became beautiful
In other words, girls with daddy issues.I can't wait to be in my 40s. I want salt and pepper hair and I want more body fat and I want my age to show on my face. And the only other men who seem to share these desires are other trans men
“I have. But I have to let it heal completely shut and have the surgery basically all over again“
Just how often do these people talk about dicks?During a conversation about urination, penises and foreskins - a truly cerebral and intellectually stimulating debate, I'm sure ...
I get dysphoric when my friends talk about dicks, and I hate it ...
I think you've identified the deal with a lot of poonerism, if not all of it.In other words, girls with daddy issues.
Simultaneously horrifying and screamingly funny.“I had this happen too, but it was JOYFUL! ‘She’ rejected the evil penis! I am wahman! Rawr!! It’s even more like a cisgina and I couldn’t be happier!” I’m getting a revision tho because I have no depth and I’m actually unhappy with the result…
I'm a 29 y/o gay trans man; I've had both top and bottom surgery and have been on T for 9 years and have been living as stealth for a long timeA pooner can't wait to be a fat, bald old man
You get to put pronouns in your bio and there's like 500 subreddits you can join. Plus you get cult/pity ratios on twitter.Like seriously, what is the point of that lifestyle? You look like a short, chubby guy, you have a dried up pussy and a bratwurst sewn to your groin. And if a real guy ever picked a fight with you, you'd get beaten up.
I just don't see any advantages to any of it.
my ideal stage of manhood is middle age. I can't wait to be in my 40s. I want salt and pepper hair and I want more body fat and I want my age to show on my face. And the only other men who seem to share these desires are other trans men.
I am so confusedEver heard of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"? Apparently the new hit sequel is "I Have Gender Dysphoria but I Must Coom (3 times a day)"
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Girls just trying to uglyfy themselves because some dude made an inappropriate comment when she was 12-13.I have to admit, the TiF desire to look like withered old guys is a lot less nasty than the TiM desire to look like fertile young nymphets
The pooner won't even be able to get a wife to throw beer bottles at. What use is sitting in a chair watching the game in your stained wifebeater with your salt-and-pepper stubbles getting drunk if you don't have a housewife to batter? That is the kind of male loneliness the yaois don't inform pooners about.You know, I can just about understand their penis envy, because having a dong is great. And if I really stretch, I can even get their wanting to be able to piss standing up, because that's pretty great, too. But wanting to be a busted-out, used up middle-age faggot with hair loss and a spare tire is pretty incomprehensible.
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Pretty sure he's talking about dilating.I am so confused
Why does this dude think he has to jerk off three times a day?
He probably doesn't need to do it more than every few days; essentially he's worried the penis will atrophy and shrink leaving nothing to work with when it comes time for stink ditch installation.I am so confused
Why does this dude think he has to jerk off three times a day?
>tranny tag