Law ‘Ripping’ Clips for YouTube Reaction Videos can Violate the DMCA, Court Rules

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February 5, 2026 12:12:42 UTC by Ernesto Van der Sar

A California federal court has issued a ruling that could have serious implications for the YouTube "reaction" videos that are created with stream-ripping tools. In the case of Cordova v. Huneault, U.S. Magistrate Judge DeMarchi concluded that allegations of bypassing YouTube’s "rolling cipher" protection are sufficient to state a claim for unlawful circumvention under the DMCA.

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Downloading audio and video from YouTube is generally not allowed, which the video streaming service clearly states in its terms of service.

Despite this explicit restriction, there are numerous ‘stream-ripping’ and “YouTube downloader” tools available on the web that do just that.

These ripping tools can be used to convert YouTube music videos into MP3s for example. This is seen as a major problem by the music industry, which has and is taking legal steps in response.

Specifically, music companies argue that using these stream-ripping tools violates the DMCA, as it circumvents YouTube’s copyright protection technology. This ‘rolling cipher’ can be bypassed relatively easily, but it prevents regular users from downloading videos from YouTube directly.

Creator vs. Creator​

The ‘rolling cipher’ accusations are not limited to the music industry. They can also be used in other contexts, including a creator vs. creator battle. This is the case in Cordova v. Huneault, which revolved around the legality of “reaction” and “commentary” channels.

The implications could be significant. Reaction and commentary videos have become a massive part of YouTube’s ecosystem, with countless creators building entire channels around responding to, critiquing, or mocking other people’s content.

Many of these creators rely on downloading clips from other channels, often using third-party tools that bypass YouTube’s protections, to incorporate into their videos. While fair use is often cited as a defense, this case suggests that DMCA circumvention liability comes into play, regardless of whether their final use qualifies as fair.

Without going into the nature of the videos, the lawsuit pits Christopher Cordova (Denver Metro Audits) against Jonathan Huneault (Frauditor Troll Channel). Cordova alleged that Huneault didn’t just use his copyrighted footage without permission, but that he also used “ripping” tools to bypass YouTube’s technical protection to get it.

The defense disagreed with this argument and requested dismissal. They argued that, because the videos are publicly viewable on YouTube, there is no “access control” to speak of. Additionally, the defense pointed out that there is no evidence that ripping tools were used, pointing out that the defendant and many others have used screen recording to copy content.

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After hearing both sides, U.S. Magistrate Judge Virginia K. DeMarchi denied the motion to dismiss the DMCA circumvention claims, allowing the case to move forward on that claim.

“Mr. Cordova has adequately pled that YouTube applies technological measures, including ‘rolling-cipher technology’ designed to prevent unauthorized downloading, to videos published on its platform that effectively control access to his videos for purposes of § 1201(a).”

“Whether the videos may be viewed by the public is immaterial; the [complaint] refers to technological measures intended to prevent unauthorized downloading,” Judge DeMarchi adds.

From the order

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Caution: Reaction Channels​

While the survival of the §1201 claim may seem like a mere technicality in a case that has yet to be fully litigated, it is rather significant. By accepting that the “rolling cipher” effectively controls access to the downloadable file, the court gives creators who want to sue rivals an option to sue for more than just simple copyright infringement.

For years, reaction creators have operated under the assumption that, if their commentary is fair use, the way they acquired the footage doesn’t matter. However, Judge DeMarchi’s decision suggests otherwise.

Essentially, it means that commentary and reaction channels, which are widespread, face potential liability for DMCA violations if they use ripping tools that bypass YouTube’s protections.

“No Harm, No Foul”?​

The legal teams are now sharply divided on what the circumvention claims mean for the case going forward.

In a statement to TorrentFreak, defense lawyer Steven C. Vondran dismisses the circumvention claims as a tactical maneuver that may eventually fall apart, as his client didn’t use a ripping tool. The attorney further argued that, if the “reaction” video of his client is fair use, there is no “injury” or harm.

“If fair use rights apply, and if there is no cognizable injury, then what would be their grounds to have proper standing?” Vondran asked.

“Plaintiff is arguing that Defendant used ripping tools to circumvent YouTube’s content protection technology to obtain video clips,” Vondran told us. “In fact, this was not the case, but it seems anyone can allege this in a lawsuit and be able to go through discovery to see if they can find the use of these tools.”

The defense shifts the focus and counters that the plaintiff has no right to sue in the first place, because there is no harm. Vondran argues that if the final “reaction” video is fair use, then the original creator hasn’t been “injured” just because someone downloaded a clip.

Plaintiff’s attorney Randall S. Newman hit back, telling TorrentFreak that circumventing copy protections under §1201 of the DMCA, is a separate violation that is unaffected by a fair use finding.

“The injury flows from the act of bypassing technological protection measures themselves, not from the outcome of a fair-use defense asserted after the fact,” Newman says, adding that the question of whether a ripping tool was used will be answered during discovery.

While the order of the motion to dismiss is significant, for this case it means little more than that the case can now move ahead to the discovery phase, after which it will be argued on its merits. The allegations that the defendant used ripping tools to download videos will have to be backed up by evidence then.



A copy of the order handed down by U.S. Magistrate Judge Virginia K. DeMarchi of the Northern District of California last month is available here (pdf).
 

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Downloading audio and video from YouTube is generally not allowed, which the video streaming service clearly states in its terms of service.
Also I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that a website TOS is not binding to someone just by having the TOS say the "by using this site you are agreeing to the terms" BS.

Of course if you happen to make an account on YouTube -- and especially if you start uploading vids -- that is a very different story.
 
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Oh yeah, and as for that circumvention thing?

17 U.S. Code § 1201 said:
(c) Other Rights, Etc., Not Affected.

1) Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.
 
As much as copyright is a shitshow there is no denying that reaction videos are not transformative. Reactors rely on the whole "only using 10-15 minutes of footage" and discussion at the end to argue that their reactions are transformative.
 
I've been flooded lately with those ""commentary"" videos where someone just re-uploads someone else's video wholesale and fills 2/3 of the screen with their ugly fucking face eating popcorn or pointing upwards at a headline.

I'd love that shit to stop.

But I'm concerned this might turn into something so sensitive that even using 2-3 seconds of someone's video for a cutaway meme (like dropping in JonTron's 'that one didn't age quite so well' or something) might get you in trouble.

I hope not, but I'm so pessimistic about every choice youtube makes that I'm just gonna assume that that's down the track.
 
Use screen recorders, they don't rip streams or bypass rolling cypher protections.
 
Who the fuck cares how the footage was acquired? Obviously a dipshit judge who doesn't understand what information is.
 
Use screen recorders, they don't rip streams or bypass rolling cypher protections.
This is hardly useful, if the precedent ends up that suspicion of "rolling cipher" bypassing is sustainable grounds to sue, even just recording a litigious youtuber's content and including it in your video would be high risk. The end result is that a youtuber could walk around and say anything without fear of reprisal because even "legal" clip usage (and really, youtube has never defined what that constitutes as anyway) could end up with you getting taken to court, won't matter if you didn't use a video ripper if you have to spend money proving your case in court for no reason.
 
Good. Fuck these people. Do something original and stop making stupid faces out of camera. Shouldn't be paid for that.
Reactslop is cancer, but if this case does find that ripping videos is grounds for DMCA violations, that could end up practically destroying YouTube overnight. Pretty much every channel out there will have videos that use content from other channels, even things as simple as a meme clip or a short soundbite, and they certainly didn't go around asking for permission each time they did. If some bozo judge decides that this is now illegal, everyone could start slinging takedowns around and fuck with countless videos and channels.

Now I don't think that will happen necessarily, but it's something to keep in mind. In an ideal world, we'd have a much less stupid copyright system, but megacorps have more money than the rest of us and will pay off their pet congresscritters to quash any attempt before it even makes it out of committee.
 
Reactslop is cancer, but if this case does find that ripping videos is grounds for DMCA violations, that could end up practically destroying YouTube overnight. Pretty much every channel out there will have videos that use content from other channels, even things as simple as a meme clip or a short soundbite, and they certainly didn't go around asking for permission each time they did. If some bozo judge decides that this is now illegal, everyone could start slinging takedowns around and fuck with countless videos and channels.
Doubly good Youtubers are not people.
 
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