George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

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He'd be way better off if he took some humble pie, realized that he couldn't finish the main series, and left it at that. Then he can go do whatever the fuck he wants, while letting someone else pick up the tab for the mainline ASOIAF story.

Hire a crack team dedicated to the one task of untangling the narrative and getting him out of the corner he wrote himself into and coming up with potential directions to go from there. Ain't no shame in calling AAA a few times. You are still the one who drove from point A to point B. Use retcons if you really need to. Even tolkien did. You don't want to offend people yet you're known for being snarky?

He can go the maximalist direction and write nearly everything just referring to the notes for initial inspiration to get out of the jam. Or he can go minimalist and be an executive writer where others do the legwork and he just specifies a general direction. Or anything in between.

He's pretty much already doing that with the shows. But nah that would make too much sense.
 
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A 'complete' draft would be better than nothing.
We've already got that. It's called 'Game of Thrones' and aired on HBO to mass disappointment. Sure the books might have different story beats in the middle like Griff, Stoneheart, or Euron. But the ending of the Others being defeated in one day will be the same. It's all leading up to a lame ending with King Bran.
It just sort of seems he's pissed off now and purposely won't finish to spite the fans.
He knows that doubling down on the HBO ending will just make it worse. So he has to just suffer the criticism of the HBO show until his death.
 
The Starks aren't known for honor. Ned was because he was raised by a man whose words were As High As Honor. He raised Robb and Jon with those ideals, though.
 
A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is doing well. Obviously viwership is lower than HOTD's but that was expected because there is a big part of the audience that doesn't want small scale story in Westeros.

But considering the budget, running time and the overall structure, it is a huge success for HBO, both critically and commercially.

They are already filming S2 that will air at this point next year, returning to that annual release schedule.

The big question is what happens after S3 when they adapt the last novella? In a way it will be a lot easier to just continue AKOTSK compared to GOT because the story is smaller. Much smaller. But the big challenge is that they have to decide what this show is all about.

Do they want to follow GRRM's plan and show entire lives of these characters? Egg dies in his 60s, which means he would need to be recast, at least twice before the show ends. And not only that the ending of the story for these two characters is very dark and tragic. Completely at odds with vibes and energy this show now has. And it will have in the next two seasons.

So in a way it will be easier to go pass the books this time, but also harder in many other aspects.
 
The Starks aren't known for honor. Ned was because he was raised by a man whose words were As High As Honor. He raised Robb and Jon with those ideals, though.
Actually, they are. The North sees the Starks as the traditional protectors, the honor goes long before Ned, we see in HOTD how Stark honor is as good as gold when they honor their pledge to Rhaenyra while others waver. To the point where one of Rhaenyra's advisors say that there has never been a Stark of Winterfell who forgot his oath. It's practically a part of their religious history that the North beat back the Undead the first time and erected that wall that guards the North.

Their only rivals in the North are the Boltons, who are seen as creepy due to all the flaying.
 
Their only rivals in the North are the Boltons, who are seen as creepy due to all the flaying.
honestly, i have low standards in general, but i can overlook/rationalize most shit. but the Boltons never being deus vulted and every time they're on screen doing progressively worse shit is the main thing i just don't fucking get. even vlad tepes doing his "forests" a couple times would be vulted. flaying/wearing people and their further shit is just fucking wonky, and they live by honor-honor good boys, and nearly all the other factions besides the freys are also good boys. freys are jewishy, they're the only ones that matter and you better know it, so you asskiss them. asskissing-mandatory people make sense and are accurate for people, so are people like joffrey for that matter, but unless there's something i'm missing in lore where the boltons singlehandedly saved everyone in the north, i just don't get it. clearly they didn't make vows to not do their shit to any other reg people in the north, and even then, a nation of ned stark-ites living beside the "yeah i hunt down and rape villagers with my dogs" is just kind fucking ""wonky"".
 
Nowhere do we hear of a Stark who might be crossing into evil territory or be forced to make hard choices that might be construed as evil for the greater good.
Arry joined a death cult, Bran is apprenticed to a lich, Sansa is accessory to Littlefinger's murders purely for convenience and Rikkon is probably a cannibal at this point. Then there's Lady Stoneheart.

I also can't recall any big moments in the Dunk & Egg novellas which would too easily lend themselves to a woke butchering of the broader story as Rhaenyra being the female claimant in the Dance did for HOTD by the writers/showrunners turning it into one girlboss's struggle against The Patriarchy™. If anything, the would-be DEI characters tend to be the villains that Dunk has to oppose (ginger girlboss Rohanne Webber in the second story, though she's not terribly villainous and is mainly an antagonist b/c Duncan works for her rival Lord Osgrey, and then the gay Blackfyre prince Daemon II in the third).
The real test will be if the leave in Dunk raping the Webber lady's lock.
 
The Starks aren't known for honor. Ned was because he was raised by a man whose words were As High As Honor. He raised Robb and Jon with those ideals, though.
iirc before Ned and his children the Starks were known more for being impulsive and hot-blooded wild cards. Ned even calls it the "wolf's blood" and says that it led both Lyanna and Brandon to their deaths. Most of the Starks of history seem to have also had this temperament- see Theon the Hungry Wolf, Brandon Snow, Rodrik Stark, and Brandon the Burner for examples. By virtue of having been raised in the South by Jon Arryn, Ned acts far more like an Arryn than he does a Stark, and he passed that mentality onto his children.
 
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If that is the case, then Stannis should have focused on getting the Reachmen to his side first, and flushing out anyone who might disagree, like Loras and Randyll. Then once his hold over the Reach is secure, Stannis can then send the massive Reach army to King's Landing. No amount of Tywin coming to the rescue is going to stop THAT.

If anything, Stannis was foolish to let Loras and Randyll live, since those two could easily lead a counter-attack even if his attack on King's Landing was a success. Sure, he'd get to Joffrey and Cersei and kill them, but with Loras and Randyll nipping at his heels, he'd still get fucked, especially once Tywin showed up.
Then again, Stannis should've pressed on and defeated Loras and Randyll. Push the advantage and remove the Tyrells and Tarlys from the equation, or force them to surrender and submit. Make sure the Florents' plan succeeded, then Stannis can take a massive Reach-Stormlands army out to King's Landing, throw caution to the wind, batter down its walls in a land battle, or attack from the land and sea, with the Reachmen under the Florents attacking the city gates while the Baratheons at sea try to seize the mudgate on the shore. Tyrion can stop one, but not both, and they'd still have enough men to push Tywin back when he inevitably comes to reinforce Joffrey.
This is another one of those oversights which don't really make sense and cast a lot of light on Gurm's lack of strategic expertise. Stannis's army is explicitly said to be composed mostly of Stormlander & Reachman cavalry (his own ragged Narrow Sea forces forming their infantry) and they don't have any reason to feel like they've got to rush to King's Landing, since as far as he knows post-Renly's death, Tywin is still stuck in the Riverlands duking it out with Robb. There really was no reason why he should feel he had to take KL NOW NOW NOW instead of taking his newly-expanded mounted force, chasing down Loras & Tarly (who had fled ahead of the vast majority of their knights defecting to Stannis), and blitzing the confused & crumbling Reach camp at Bitterbridge (where the forces Renly had left behind were mostly infantrymen) before the Tyrells could rally them and purge the Florents.

If he'd buckbroken Mace Tyrell there (easy enough, he's well known as a soft retard, hell if Stannis could capture Loras on the way to Bitterbridge he could probably make Mace bend the knee without a fight even) and doubled or even tripled his own army's size depending on how well the events at Bitterbridge go, then the Mannis could march on KL far more comfortably & securely. By shattering the Tyrells or else making them bend the knee at Bitterbridge, Stannis also wouldn't have to worry about them after he takes KL, the way he would have had he won at the Blackwater. It's such an obviously beneficial strategy that most fanfiction, forum-based roleplays, etc. I've read that deals with Stannis winning the Wo5K usually have him going this route. Wish I could be surprised that random autists online considered this possibility where it had escaped Gurm, but then other such autists have also been able to write scores of endings to the story he still refuses to finish over the years, so...

The one even semi-passable excuse I've seen over the years on this subject was that Stannis felt he had to outsource the task of subverting the Reachmen to his Florent kin, so as to honor them for siding with him & demonstrate his trust in their abilities to win over their countrymen, which they may have hyped up way too hard in front of him. However even this falls flat since the generation of Florents living during the events of ASOIAF are pretty much all obviously incompetent retards and this was known to Stannis himself (Stannis's own Florent brother-in-law Imry was given command over his fleet and proceeded to charge right into Tyrion's trap, Stannis himself even denounces him as a tard for it later). Got to blame this one, among many others, on Gurm and his need for the story to go a certain way I guess.
That made no fucking sense. After the Tyrells and Lannisters reconciled, they should've immediately moved to combine their naval assets to take out Stannis first. Especially since it was Stannis who threatened the capital, not Robb Stark who just wanted to be left alone with the North as a free entity.
As said, Redwyne apparently did not bother mobilizing his fleet until after the Lannisters & Tyrells has reconciled (so as to not make it look like he was mobilizing against either his liege or the people holding his sons hostage), and presumably ordering so many captains & sailors to collect their weapons, leave whatever ports they were chilling at previously & gather at the Arbor's military port(s) would have taken a lot of time. Moving to the Narrow Sea would've taken even more time, considering they'd have to sail from the Arbor around Dorne & the Stormlands first and that since Westeros is supposedly the size of South America, this would be like sailing from let's say Valparaiso to Montevideo - of course, without coal or oil-powered engines and propellers and whatnot, just the wind blowing their sails.

In light of all that and what the story had determined for his role at the outset of hostilities, this one apparent deficiency in strategy, IMO, actually made sense. Stannis also canonically retained the loyalty of most of the former royal fleet (hence why Tyrion's fleet was barely 1/4 the size of his own of 200 ships, even after being reinforced with requisitioned merchant vessels & such) and Gurm said the Lannisters personally have a fleet of only 20-30 ships at Lannisport, so it's pretty reasonable that Tywin wouldn't have bothered sending those until after Redwyne got on board - even if they could have combined in time (keeping in mind that Lannisport is further away from KL than the Arbor, so it's quite possible that the Lannister fleet wouldn't even have gotten around Dorne before the Battle of the Blackwater happens), they would have faced odds as suicidal as those of Stannis vs. Renly in a straightforward land battle.
He kind of is, because Stannis has been to war before, and he knows what it's like to starve inside a castle, surrounded by a large army feasting at his walls. The only thing stopping that from happening again was the fact that Tywin and the Tyrells had some Northern bugs to squash. So even pre-Blackwater Stannis had eaten a lot of humble pie back during the war against the Mad King.
Yes well, Stannis did prevail over the Tyrells that time too, so while it may have been a harrowing experience for him it didn't seem to have been a humbling one like his actual defeat on the Blackwater. And like the Lancasters, his plan (kill Renly with Melisandre's magic to avoid getting curbstomped by his far superior numbers-->take his now leaderless army-->take KL) was mostly theoretically sound, minus that last step for the reasons elaborated upon above (which as said, I blame on GRRM not being as great and 'realistic' a strategist as his own characters), it just went horribly awry in practice towards the end.

If he had no real plan and was basically dragging his followers into an elaborate form of suicide then I might agree with you, but there's a gulf between that & simply having an actually fairly sound plan which then fails in implementation due to unforeseen circumstances (the wildfire, Lannister-Tyrell alliance, Tywin being able to go straight to KL due to Edmure accidentally blowing up Robb's strategy due to Robb not telling him about it...). We never get to see things from Stannis' POV directly, but at the time, I can see why he'd have thought he actually had a chance at taking the IT even if nearly nobody else around him could've predicted it.
The Starks aren't known for honor. Ned was because he was raised by a man whose words were As High As Honor. He raised Robb and Jon with those ideals, though.
This is true. Most past Stark kings & lords are by reputation actually grim, ruthless and extremely warlike - not particularly honorable types. Their occupation of the Three Sisters (islands between the North and Vale) was so legendarily brutal it was dubbed the 'Rape of the Three Sisters' and forced the Sistermen (who still seethe at the North about it in the present day, 2000 years removed) to become Arryn vassals for protection, for example. They unified the North mostly through war & buckbreaking their regional rivals (of which the Boltons were the foremost, naturally), not through guile like the Lannisters or diplomacy like the Gardeners. Other Starks were famous for 'having the wolf's blood', being very mercurial & hot-tempered characters, like Ned's brother Brandon & sister Lyanna. Wolves are rarely cuddly animals, after all.
Their only rivals in the North are the Boltons, who are seen as creepy due to all the flaying.

honestly, i have low standards in general, but i can overlook/rationalize most shit. but the Boltons never being deus vulted and every time they're on screen doing progressively worse shit is the main thing i just don't fucking get. even vlad tepes doing his "forests" a couple times would be vulted. flaying/wearing people and their further shit is just fucking wonky, and they live by honor-honor good boys, and nearly all the other factions besides the freys are also good boys. freys are jewishy, they're the only ones that matter and you better know it, so you asskiss them. asskissing-mandatory people make sense and are accurate for people, so are people like joffrey for that matter, but unless there's something i'm missing in lore where the boltons singlehandedly saved everyone in the north, i just don't get it. clearly they didn't make vows to not do their shit to any other reg people in the north, and even then, a nation of ned stark-ites living beside the "yeah i hunt down and rape villagers with my dogs" is just kind fucking ""wonky"".
My 'favorite' bit of lore regarding the Boltons & their relations to the Starks was that at one point they rebelled against House Stark when the latter were still kings, and were joined by a cadet branch of the latter called the Greystarks. For whatever reason, and despite both 1) the Boltons being the ones to start the revolt (House Greystark was mentioned as having joined them, not being the instigators) and 2) the taboo on kinslaying supposedly being one of the worst things you could ever do in Westeros, the Starks extirpated the Greystarks but spared the motherfucking Boltons. Even if they had grown distant in kinship over the centuries, they're still an offshoot related to the main line and it boggles the mind that the King in the North at the time would be so retarded as to subject them to the Reyne-Tarbeck treatment but not the house (with a long history of & dreary reputation for being psycho backstabbing bastards, no less) which turned them against said main line in the first place. It would be like if Robb survived & bounced back after the Red Wedding, then decided to annihilate House Karstark but let Ramsay live and even inherit the Dreadfort, lmao.

My second 'favorite' piece of lore here is that time the Boltons flayed a Stark king (the half-Wildling grandson of Brandon the Daughterless) and somehow are still allowed to live long after that. Frankly they're a blatant case of some houses being given plot armor by Gurm, like the Peakes in the Reach who are literally only ever mentioned when they're backstabbing or otherwise fucking over someone else (often their own nominal allies). If we're going to talk 'gritty realism', houses as blatantly & consistently brutal/treacherous as these would have 'realistically' been destroyed and their lands divided between more loyal, trustworthy ones long ago; in the RL Middle Ages niggers who backstabbed everyone around them all the time, such as Eadric Streona and John Wenlock (to name just two examples from specifically English medieval history), would typically just get killed because neither friend nor foe could hope to trust them. That this does not happen to the likes of the Boltons is, to be blunt, more unrealistic than LoTR's orcs & trolls.
 
ep3 of dunk and egg was the best one so far

even though it still had to have a random gay af moment thrown in with the song about the girl who was the best at fisting man ass in all the seven kingdoms or whatever

the interplay between dunk and egg in this ep was fun, egg just wants to be one of the boys and this dunk knows how to have fun more than short stories dunk does
 
Do they want to follow GRRM's plan and show entire lives of these characters? Egg dies in his 60s, which means he would need to be recast, at least twice before the show ends. And not only that the ending of the story for these two characters is very dark and tragic. Completely at odds with vibes and energy this show now has. And it will have in the next two seasons.
The whole point of the small novellas is the adventures of Dunk and Egg wandering the Seven Kingdoms as a hedge knight and his squire. I suppose they should end by the time it's time to knight Aegon. Just because they participated in some of the lore we know, doesn't mean their books should deal with it.

With that being said, they found gold with that kid, there is no way they're replacing him. He's still young enough to keep playing himself into his teen years, because Egg is still growing as the story progress. Even a 20-something Dexter can play a young 16 years old squire.


Most past Stark kings & lords are by reputation actually grim, ruthless and extremely warlike - not particularly honorable types.
These characters are all bound to some sort of code of honor, but for certain houses and people, this is what defines them. Like Ned and the Arryns. Another Stark of old times would have never allowed Cersei and her children to escape to be safe. As awful as it sounds, I can imagine some Starks smashing the head of a baby like the Mountain did. They live in perhaps the worst climate of Westeros and that makes you take harsh decisions.

Kinda like how Griff said it was honor what kept him from setting a whole town on fire to capture Robert Baratheon. His friend from the Golden Company told him that was his mistake, tywin Lannister would have done precisely that and Griff not doing it cost them the war. Ned's honor allowed Cersei to hold power while Robert was dying.
 
And not only that the ending of the story for these two characters is very dark and tragic. Completely at odds with vibes and energy this show now has.
From my normie friends who pay (YUCK!) for HBO Max and watch the show they do love the lighthearted tone but are wholeheartedly expecting to have their hearts broken in the end. If anything the first show prepared them for that and House of the Dragon even in its current run has done the same.
 
Arry joined a death cult, Bran is apprenticed to a lich, Sansa is accessory to Littlefinger's murders purely for convenience and Rikkon is probably a cannibal at this point. Then there's Lady Stoneheart.
Arya is trying to avenge her family, Bran is working towards a greater good, Sansa is just surviving (what the fuck else can she do) and Rickon, we don't know for sure.

Yes well, Stannis did prevail over the Tyrells that time too,
He didn't prevail over them; they retreated after their king died. Then they "surrendered" and got to keep all their stuff.

This is another one of those oversights which don't really make sense and cast a lot of light on Gurm's lack of strategic expertise. Stannis's army is explicitly said to be composed mostly of Stormlander & Reachman cavalry (his own ragged Narrow Sea forces forming their infantry) and they don't have any reason to feel like they've got to rush to King's Landing, since as far as he knows post-Renly's death, Tywin is still stuck in the Riverlands duking it out with Robb. There really was no reason why he should feel he had to take KL NOW NOW NOW instead of taking his newly-expanded mounted force, chasing down Loras & Tarly (who had fled ahead of the vast majority of their knights defecting to Stannis), and blitzing the confused & crumbling Reach camp at Bitterbridge (where the forces Renly had left behind were mostly infantrymen) before the Tyrells could rally them and purge the Florents.
GRRM is a hippie, not a military historian or strategist. A smart man would've just left KL on the side and went for finishing off the Tyrells before moving on to Tywin, who was the real power behind the Lannisters. Then once Tywin is neutralized, Stannis could march on King's Landing st his leisure, taking his sweet time, knowing that nothing can stand in his way.

Other Starks were famous for 'having the wolf's blood', being very mercurial & hot-tempered characters, like Ned's brother Brandon & sister Lyanna.
Ned had that too, if I recall. Poor Littlefinger found it out the hard way when Ned nearly killed him in front of the brothel.

You can say the same for many Medieval lords and knights. Hot blooded and hot-tempered, yet still seen as honorable, like say, Richard Lionheart. He's everything that you can say about the more brutal Stark kings, (he's a war-hungry yahoo who spent his last days invading French castles for money) yet he's still seen as a paragon of masculinity, virtue, and chivalry during his time.

Frankly they're a blatant case of some houses being given plot armor by Gurm, like the Peakes in the Reach who are literally only ever mentioned when they're backstabbing or otherwise fucking over someone else (often their own nominal allies). If we're going to talk 'gritty realism', houses as blatantly & consistently brutal/treacherous as these would have 'realistically' been destroyed and their lands divided between more loyal, trustworthy ones long ago; in the RL Middle Ages niggers who backstabbed everyone around them all the time, such as Eadric Streona and John Wenlock (to name just two examples from specifically English medieval history), would typically just get killed because neither friend nor foe could hope to trust them. That this does not happen to the likes of the Boltons is, to be blunt, more unrealistic than LoTR's orcs & trolls.
It's not the only case. At least I can understand the Starks keeping the Boltons around in the odd case they needed someone interrogated or they need someone to do something nasty for them while keeping their hands clean.

Dorne, on the other hand, I cannot understand. A region without much resources, not much people, not much land to grow food on, and for some reason, they're the ones that defeat the Targaryens and push them back? It'd make more sense if it were the Starks (lol, they have the largest country which would be hard to hold, and the cold weather won't do the dragons any favors) or the Lannisters (more $$$ means more scorpion ballistae that can hit dragons out of the sky like a Medieval SAM site) held them off. But the Dornish? Rhaenys wouldn't need to force them to surrender, she can just fly in the middle of the night and burn all their crops. Then they'll have no choice but to surrender or starve to death.

Hell, given the animosity between Dorne and the Reach, the Gardeners should've already put them to the sword. The Reach could field and feed a larger army than the Dornish ever could. And the Dornish sacked Highgarden and destroyed the Oakenseat, which would give the Gardeners reason to subdue them.

GRRM just wants his fantasy Moorish Spain with liberal sex attitudes and feminism win over dragons which are literal nukes. How the 7 kingdoms are scared of the Targs if they couldn't even conquer a desert shithole is beyond me. Especially given all their firepower and resources. The Targs having so much power yet failing to do such a simple task would have made them the laughing stock of the Medieval era. In the actual Middle Ages, outside forces like the Crusaders, Mongols, and the Turks had no problems conquering desert shitholes. The Crusaders were Medieval Europeans from a temperate climate; the Turks and Mongols were steppe/horse nomads. Yet they succeeded without the help of the fantasy version of an F-16.
 
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Hell, given the animosity between Dorne and the Reach, the Gardeners should've already put them to the sword. The Reach could field and feed a larger army than the Dornish ever could. And the Dornish sacked Highgarden and destroyed the Oakenseat, which would give the Gardeners reason to subdue them.
The Red Mountains shields Dorne from the Reach, the only viable way to invade them is through the Boneway from the Stormlands which they can easily control, another reason as to why they were able to resist Targaryen invasion.
 
From my normie friends who pay (YUCK!) for HBO Max and watch the show they do love the lighthearted tone but are wholeheartedly expecting to have their hearts broken in the end. If anything the first show prepared them for that and House of the Dragon even in its current run has done the same.
First show spoils what happens to Dunk, btw. Without much details. It says he became a kingsguard, becomes legendary, and I think it also says how he dies.

A loooot of people who watched the show didn't pay attention.
 
The Red Mountains shields Dorne from the Reach, the only viable way to invade them is through the Boneway from the Stormlands which they can easily control, another reason as to why they were able to resist Targaryen invasion.
With enough soldiers and ships, anyone can find a way, especially if you attack them from the sea. Hell, with as much soldiers that either the Gardeners or the post-Dance Targs had, they wouldn't have a problem.

And like I said, they don't have much for crops in Dorne. The pre-Dance Targs can just have a dragon sneak in at night and burn their crops. They will then have to submit or starve.

Also, didn't the North have the same thing with Moat Cailin? And the Vale, as well? Those two kingdoms had those near-impenetrable strongholds, yet they flatlined to the Targs without a fight. And the North had more land and resources than Dorne.

The North, Dorne, and the Vale all had impregnable defenses. Yet Dorne had the least amount of resources amongst them, but they were the only ones not to yield? That makes no sense at all.......unless you recognize that GRRM is a leftist, and that Dorne had feminist laws on inheritance, a looser sexual climate, and was not based on Medieval Europe, but on Moorish kingdoms. Then it all clicks in as to why they didn't bend. They're the fictional equivalent of a teacher's pet.
 
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The Red Mountains shields Dorne from the Reach, the only viable way to invade them is through the Boneway from the Stormlands which they can easily control, another reason as to why they were able to resist Targaryen invasion.
Can dragons not fly over mountains? I mean, it would make sense if they couldn't given altitude sickness and all, but the entire conceit of Aegons Conquest is that three dragons are magic "I win" buttons that let you ignore logistics, economics, exerting control and all that boring stuff in favor of painting the map.
 
Can dragons not fly over mountains? I mean, it would make sense if they couldn't given altitude sickness and all, but the entire conceit of Aegons Conquest is that three dragons are magic "I win" buttons that let you ignore logistics, economics, exerting control and all that boring stuff in favor of painting the map.
There goes the magic word. Logistics.

GRRM is not a historian. He is not a military analyst. He is not a logistics officer, nor is he well-versed in the deeper nuances of medieval and ancient warfare. He is great at writing characters and writing interactions between them. Everything else, he either does a decent enough job, or it leaves enough plot holes for people who actually know medieval and military history. The problem is that GRRM makes the argument that, aside from the fantasy elements of his work, his world is more realistic than that of Tolkien's. When you stake a claim to realism, you open yourself up to being criticized when you do something unrealistic. Nobody complains about LOTR being a giant fairy tale, or the Iliad and the Odyssey. But ASOIAF claiming to be more realistic breaks the world-building when you get unrealistic things in it.

While someone who has read nothing but LOTR and Harry Potter might marvel at the "realism" in GRRM's works, someone who has read actual medieval European history, or someone who read the Three Kingdoms novel from China or watched any of its TV adaptations, would be laughing at all the missed opportunities and plot holes that the ASOIAF story has.

For instance, when showing us how the Dornish fight, they show shield wall phalanxes of Dornishmen:
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It all looks well and good, except the phalanx went out of style by the High Middle Ages. Westeros is obviously stuck in the Late Middle Ages, given all the dorks running around in plate armor, and the fact that the Targs have a gunpowder equivalent in wildfire. By that time, phalanxes and shield walls had been outdated a long time ago. The Roman legions proved that when they crushed the Greeks, and the Normans proved it again when they crushed the Anglo-Saxons in 1066 AD, which was in the early Middle Ages. If this is how Dorne fights, then it's laughable to think that the Targaryens hadn't conquered them a long time ago. Especially since armies by their time relied on knights on horseback as the big meaty boys, and the Targs had the Redwyne fleet, the Velaryon fleet, and the Lannister fleet, meaning they can land troops past the boneyard to engage the Dornish and rout their armies.

Dornish cavalry isn't very heavy when compared to Westerosi knights armored with plate armor:
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They seem to wear what appears to be Roman-style lorica segmentata armor. That might have been considered heavy cavalry in the late Roman era, but by the time of the Late Middle Ages, you had plate-armored knights on horseback who would have no problems curbstomping these guys with heavy lances, maces, and broadswords. This is especially notable in the fact that Dornish horses can't bear the weight of a guy in plate armor, meaning that their cavalry is stuck at being light cavalry, who would get creamed if they faced heavy cavalry shocktroops like knights in the Late Middle Ages. So one would think that knights from the Reach or the Westerlands would have no problems defeating them.

And you might say "oh, they can disappear back into the desert and kill the enemy with the death of a thousand cuts." Which is all fine and good-if it wasn't for the fact that their crops can also be targeted. This is where that magic word "logistics" comes in.

The Targs, by the time they faced the Dornish, had all the grain they could possibly need with the Reach. The Reach is also home to many noble houses and people who fucking hate the Dornish and would love to send guys over to kill them, so the Targs won't lack for manpower. Dorne, on the other hand, doesn't have much people; GRRM says they have as much military manpower as the North, which isn't much, since the North at most can field 20K men, while the other kingdoms like the Reach and the Westerlands can field much larger armies. The Dornish also don't have much land to grow crops in, because it's a fucking desert.

The most you have are places where they can grow fruits like oranges and other exotic foodstuffs like dragon peppers, or places where they grow the grapes for Dornish wine. But unlike the Dornishmen themselves, these places cannot hide at a moment's notice. And with both dragons and wildfire in the Targaryen arsenal, there's nothing stopping them from just burning these places and waiting for the Dornish to starve to death or surrender. That's a strategy as old as time-burn your enemies' assets so that they can't use it. Logistically speaking, the Dornish would not have ample food stores from the start, and even if they did, if their crops burned, they would only be able to hold on for a while before their stores run out and they're forced to starve or surrender.

If anything, a realistic encounter between the Targs and Dorne would've been Rhaenys visiting the Martells, Meria Martell telling her to fuck off, and Rhaenys threatening to burn the Dornish farmlands at night, when they can't see shit. It's not like they have flashlights in the medieval era. She'd also threaten to bring the Lannister, Velaryon, and Redwyne fleets to bring soldiers into Dorne past the Boneyard, with orders to burn their groves. And she'd also mention that many Reachmen and Stormlanders are still itching for a chance at the Dornish, which her brother can easily give them.

Realizing that they're pretty much fucked, Meria bends the knee, and in exchange, asks for a future marriage alliance between her son and the Targaryens. Rhaenys considers the request, and says she will bring it up to her brother. To ensure that Rhaenys would advocate on their behalf with her brother-husband, the Martells give Rhaenys a feast of all that Dorne had to offer, like exotic oranges, wines, and dragon peppers, and she flies back home with a full belly and a big smile on her face.

Rhaenys returns to Aegon I, talking about the fun time she had with the Dornish after they bent the knee. Influenced by her, Aegon approves of the Dornish request, marrying one of his sons to some princess from Dorne, and the Martells enjoy royal privileges that the other kingdoms don't have, because they're technically a part of the royal family. This builds resentment with some of the noble houses, many of whom later on join the Faith Militant when they rebel against the Iron Throne.

There you go. A perfectly reasoned way for the Dornish to join with their privileges intact, without making the Targaryens look like morons, making the Dornish look clever since they win in the diplomatic table instead of the battlefield by manipulating Aegon's sister-wife, while also building up to the Faith Militant revolt that would pester Maegor the Cruel once Aegon I is long gone.
 
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