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Should be a wild four years.

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the reason people are skeptical of a lot of the Trump Epsneed shit
Personally, I find it uncredible because of how disingenuous it is.
Everyone collectively shut up about Epstein from 2021-2024, and nobody actually cares about anyone presently implicated in being an Epstein client other than the possibility that Trump is.
Nobody has really done anything about Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, Prince Andrew, or anyone else undeniably implicated. They're not even reviled to be pariahs, Clinton was a speaker at some of Kamala's rallies and endorsed her, and many still take Gates's climate activism super seriously.
The idea that "we need the files to punish the guilty!" is Dimensional Merge CWCville-tier delusion, that anyone can or will do anything, with the lack of any such actions despite names and evidence being present for at least 6 years now.

Nobody actually gives a shit about Epstein, they just want something to go after Trump by tying him to something that can't be proven or disproven, despite that the entire Epstein case is only in the public conscious because of Trump's DOJ prosecuting him in 2019. The moral outrage is entirely fake, the most credibly damning thing against Trump in there so far is that Epstein might have sex-trafficked a 23-year old to Trump, but nobody cares because it wasn't a child, despite the infidelity of Trump and participation in any sex trafficking being abhorrent.

It's all one big theater kid act, that has conned the general public into being audience participants.
 
Sorry if i'm late.


The trip, planned in 2012, came years after Lutnick claimed he cut all ties with the pedophile. Yet in December of that year, Lutnick sent an email to Epstein saying that he had a group of people, including his wife and children and another family, who were visiting the Caribbean - and inquired as to where Epstein was located and whether they could visit for a meal.

The documents suggest the visit did occur. The gathering was set for Dec. 23, 2012. A day later, an assistant to Mr. Epstein forwarded Mr. Lutnick a message from Mr. Epstein: “Nice seeing you,” it said.

In a podcast interview last year, Mr. Lutnick claimed that around 2005, he and his wife had been so revolted by Mr. Epstein that they decided not to associate with him again.

Mr. Lutnick said in the interview that Mr. Epstein invited them to tour his Upper East Side mansion, next door to Mr. Lutnick’s own home. When they noticed a massage table in the middle of a room, Mr. Lutnick recalled, Mr. Epstein explained that he received “the right kind of massage” every day. Mr. Lutnick said that he and his wife quickly left and decided to “never be in a room with that disgusting person ever again.”
Except, that was complete bullshit (the running theme with these new releases).

Lutnick's connection to Epstein isn't a huge surprise after a 2019 Crain's investigation found that Epstein had significant links to the property next to his infamous Manhattan townhouse at 9 East 71st Street.

Crain's investigation found that Epstein's history at the address is entangled with the adjacent property, 11 E. 71st St., now home to billionaire Howard Lutnick—as well as with 301 E. 66th St., a building belonging to Epstein's brother.

An entity called the SAM Conversion Corp. purchased 11 E. 71st St. in 1988, more than a year before the Nine East 71st Street Corp. bought the former school that would become Epstein's domicile. At the time, both companies used a Columbus, Ohio, address associated with Limited Brands founder Leslie Wexner, Epstein's mentor and client.

In 1992 SAM Conversion Corp. sold 11 E. 71st St. to the 11 East 71st Street Trust for "ten dollars and other valuable consideration paid by the party of the second part," records show. Martha Stark, former commissioner of the city Department of Finance, told Crain's that the $10 figure is a placeholder used in many real estate sales—a holdover from a period when the value of property transactions was not publicly disclosed.

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In 1998 Comet Trust sold 11 E. 71st St. to Lutnick, again for "10 dollars and other valuable consideration." The real estate transfer tax payment came to $106,400, from which Stark estimated the actual price to have been $7.6 million.

Lutnick, now the CEO of financial services firm Cantor Fitzgerald, took out a $4 million mortgage on the property the same day as the sale. His spokesperson did not reply by press time to requests for comment on the property's history and his relationship with his next-door neighbor.
These are the people governing us...
 
Like it's very obvious which emails were actually written by Epstein and which ones are clearly gayops written by redditors to muddy the waters.
The problem is that, in my view, the obviously false ones were likely written by the admin specifically for the purposes of making the more realistic allegations less credible.

They're hiding behind redditors tard sperging about the obviously fake allegations while sweeping the real under the rug.

That's my view at least.
 
If somone I support politically or like is in the files, clear slander and possiblly just AI made up

someone I dont like is in the files, eww, vile gross nasty! to the hellfire with ye!

I'm calling the entire fucking list suspect. The only thing that's even remotely credible seems to be Bill Clinton (because there's literally documented evidence of him being a horndog even while he was in office). Given how long it was in the hands of the FBI, and not released immediately, it's had time to sit and marinate and had time to be fucked with.
 
The problem is that, in my view, the obviously false ones were likely written by the admin specifically for the purposes of making the more realistic allegations less credible.

They're hiding behind redditors tard sperging about the obviously fake allegations while sweeping the real under the rug.

That's my view at least.
"Trump is framing reddit to cover up his pedophilia"

Idk about that one chief, I'm pretty fucking schizo and that take still seems far out there to me.
 
If Trump were truly as guilty as people desperately want him to be, there would simply be stronger evidence in support of it. Something actionable and definitive would've materialized, but all we've gotten is smoke and he-said she-said nothingburgers.

So far the only thing people have managed to produce are either unconfirmed insane ramblings from anonymous tiplines about Trump threatening them with a gun in a limo and him throwing babies into a lake or vague implications with no actual proof of wrongdoing or victim corroboration. Not to mention the outright conflicting stuff like multiple Epstein victims, such as Guffre, swearing up and down that Trump dindu nuffin, or the fact that Trump was the only Epstein associate that was actively willing to help put Epstein behind bars with the Feds. The ONLY one.
the feds have been sitting on this shit for decades. if they had anything on trump, the obama admin would have 100% used it in 2016 to annihilate him a few months before the election and pave the way for president hillary.

and again, during the biden admin, when the dems were ultra desperate about prosecuting trump: if there was anything in the epstein files to incriminate trump, they would 100% have used that to bury him and make kamala president. but all they could come up with to pull him before a court was some murky accusations of financial fraud in some real estate business of his. that was literally the best ammo they had.
if there was anything more substantial than that, they would have used it to destroy his 2024 campaign. the fact that they didn't do that is pretty strong proof that he's clean.
 
"Trump is framing reddit to cover up his pedophilia"

Idk about that one chief, I'm pretty fucking schizo and that take still seems far out there to me.
I'm not saying that redditors are a specific target, I'm saying it's possible that he's taking advantage of the MSM's general tendency to tard sperg about obviously false shit.

It's not a tactic that has never been used before.
 
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