UK Shabana Mahmood proposes AI 'Panopticon' system of state surveillance - Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood revealed that she wanted a system where “the eyes of the state can be on you at all times” while invoking an enduringly controversial proposal by the 18th-century philosopher Jeremy Bentham.

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Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood appearing on the BBC1 current affairs programme Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg (Image: Jeff Overs/BBC/PA Wire)

THE Home Secretary has said she wants to create a “Panopticon” system of state surveillance.

Shabana Mahmood revealed that she wanted a system where “the eyes of the state can be on you at all times” while invoking an enduringly controversial proposal by the 18th-century philosopher Jeremy Bentham.

In comments reported on Monday by The Telegraph, Mahmood said she wanted to use artificial intelligence for surveillance, as she proposed “Minority Report-style” policing.

“AI and technology can be transformative to the whole of the law and order space,” said the Home Secretary in an interview with former prime minister Tony Blair last month.

“When I was in justice, my ultimate vision for that part of the criminal justice system was to achieve, by means of AI and technology, what Jeremy Bentham tried to do with his Panopticon. That is that the eyes of the state can be on you at all times.

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File photograph of CCTV cameras (Image: Pixabay)

“Similarly, in the world of policing, in particular, we’ve already been rolling out live facial recognition technology, but I think there’s big space here for being able to harness the power of AI and tech to get ahead of the criminals, frankly, which is what we’re trying to do.”

Bentham’s most famous idea was for prisons to be based on the “Panopticon”, which meant that guards would be able to monitor all inmates constantly. This would be achieved by creating circular prisons with a central watchtower from which prisoners would be observed without the guard being visible.

A UK Government source told The Telegraph: “This doesn’t mean watching people who are non-criminals – but she feels like, if you commit a crime, you sacrifice the right to the kind of liberty the rest of us enjoy.”

Scottish Greens MSP Maggie Chapman told The National: "This is absolutely shocking. What Shabana Mahmood is calling for is essentially a deeply authoritarian, 'Big Brother' state. It is totally unacceptable, and we must resist this dystopian future.

“Everyone is entitled to a level of privacy in their lives regardless of their history or wrongdoings. We know too that surveillance by the state in this way would not be restricted to potential or actual criminals.

“Once it is in place, it would obviously be used on a much wider scale. We’ve already seen this with other forms of surveillance. The notion that 'if you’ve not done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about' is never justification for such widespread curtailment of civil liberties."

It is not clear whether this system of surveillance would apply only to prisoners or to all people under the watch of the criminal justice system in England and Wales.

Police chiefs south of the Border are also considering plans to use AI in a bid to predict whether people will commit crimes, The Telegraph reports.

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File photograph of the inside of a prison (Image: PA)

In plans that echo the 2002 Steven Spielberg film Minority Report, police forces are looking at monitoring 1000 men they believe pose the highest risk to women to predict whether they will commit crimes.

Minority Report depicts a world where police can foresee crimes before they happen and arrest the would-be perpetrators. It is considered dystopian science fiction.

Andy Marsh, the head of the College of Policing, told The Telegraph: “We know the data and case histories tell us that, unfortunately, it’s far from uncommon for these individuals to move from one female victim to another, and we understand all of the difficulties of bringing successful cases to bear in court.

“So what we want to do is use these predictive tools to take the battle to those individuals, so that they are the ones who are frightened because the police are coming after them and we’re going to lock them up.”

Pete Wishart, the SNP's Home Office spokesperson said that Labour wanted "the state to use AI as a means to watch people's every move".

He added: "Obviously new technology can and should be used to ensure more criminals are caught but the Home Secretary appears to be openly advocating for the idea of a surveillance state - where people's rights and privacy are of no concern and have no protection.

"It feels no coincidence that the Home Secretary made these remarks while casually chatting to Tony Blair – the man whose institute first came up with the 'Brit Card' idea.

"As the Labour Party gets increasingly desperate because of the disaster they have made in government, it seems they are reaching for ever more extreme policies."

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WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE LIKE THIS?
We have farmed an army of unthinking mouth breathers that truly believe the State has their best interests at heart.

As long as they get gibs they don't care.
Generations of families in Bongland live and die on welfare. They get money, housing, healthcare and sympathy.

Entire multigenerational families have never worked. The Black Sheep of the family is the one that buggers off and gets a job, and that poor fucker is called a scab AND expected to send money back.
 
My neighbor across the hall is on the board of the HOA. this whore has a doorbell camera aimed directly at my door, so I Dont even have privacy because of her. And she sits in the window, smoking and observing. Meanwhile her coalburning whore daughter gets beat and ends homeless at least once a year, and her junkie son is randomly texting me from different numbers asking if I wanna hang out or if he can crash on my couch.

People who think they have power are the most worthless of all humankind.
How about changing your phone number? Get your own camera pointed at her door? There's always something you can do.
 
When the panopticon was proposed it was seen as too inhumane even back in the era where they hung prisoners regularly. That should put some perspective on this.
 
“When I was in justice, my ultimate vision for that part of the criminal justice system was to achieve, by means of AI and technology, what Jeremy Bentham tried to do with his Panopticon. That is that the eyes of the state can be on you at all times."
That's not the point of it, camelfucker. The idea of the panopticon was that prisoners could not tell if they were being watched or not. Prisoners would have to assume they were and behave which would require less effort and staffing on the part of the prison.
 
Okay but can the panopticon come in the form of an army of camera-equipped recreations of Jeremy Bentham's auto-icon on wheels, patrolling the streets of Britain like a steampunk Davos?
 
My neighbor across the hall is on the board of the HOA. this whore has a doorbell camera aimed directly at my door, so I Dont even have privacy because of her.
Condo-boards are notoriously shit and usually ran by a committee of residents who embezzle the associations funds. A person I know owns a ground level unit and every morning the president let's his dogs out to shit & piss in front of the windows.
“This doesn’t mean watching people who are non-criminals – but she feels like, if you commit a crime, you sacrifice the right to the kind of liberty the rest of us enjoy.”
"The rest of us" have to stop "enjoying" because "liberty" has to be "sacrificed" in case a "crime is commit" ? We'll be watching you "non-criminals". - Signed, the United Anarcho-Tyranny Kingdom
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Most history books by now would have framed the British people putting all their politicians and royalty in guillotines as morally justified. What the fuck are they waiting for? The abuse of power has surpassed comical and become a farce.
 
If you bongs dont start hanging these people I am going to start thinking you guys want this.
I swear to god, when the UK finally kicks off, we’re going to get the happenings thread to end all happenings threads. We’re going to have to invent new words for the kind of violence that our British cousins are going to inflict upon their political class when the clock finally strikes six-a-bong. It’s not going to be torturous, it’s going to be torturest.
 
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Bentham’s most famous idea was for prisons to be based on the “Panopticon”, which meant that guards would be able to monitor all inmates constantly. This would be achieved by creating circular prisons with a central watchtower from which prisoners would be observed without the guard being visible.

Yes, but actually no. Bentham thought he was doing the prisoners a favor by structuring prisons this way, and given how prisons were run during his lifetime he may have been. Also, as far as I know he never had any grand ideas to take this idea to be a societal one. In fact, as a Utilitarian he was probably closer to being a laissez-faire type than anything else in terms of general society. Bentham was talking about prisons and penal theory with his version of the Panopticon, and that only.

The person to suggest and popularize the "Panopticon" as a model for society was probably Michel Foucault in the 1970s. What's weird is that as best I can tell Foucault's essay never actually gets around to saying this is a really bad idea after positing the surveillance state this way. More like it depends on the people in charge, though (a) I find trying to read Existentialists equivalent to drinking sewer water and (b) I've certainly not got the background to parse what he said the way it should have been, probably. So I am possibly wrong with that last bit.

Just weird how a stolid 18th century Englishman gets associated with something I truly don't think he believed in and the French Existentialist who redefined the term to the public consciousness the way it is now thought of is nowadays not mentioned. I've seen this treatment several times now and it has always kinda bugged me.

Thank you for coming to my Tedx talk/letting me rant, I guess.
 
Law-abiding human beings have the right NOT to have the eyes of the state on them at all times in every situation. That shit wouldn't fly here. Fourth Amendment, Bill of Rights, written Constitution.
Until the Supreme Court says "well, actually..." like they did with Star Chamber courts despite the 6th Amendment outright saying all trials are open to the public or how just a little 2A infringement is just fine despite the 2A saying no infringement is good to go.
 
Most history books by now would have framed the British people putting all their politicians and royalty in guillotines as morally justified. What the fuck are they waiting for? The abuse of power has surpassed comical and become a farce.
awful bloody rudeness, innit?
 
There's a wholeass problem with people going to other countries and proposing to change the values of those countries without understanding how all the pieces fit together.

To wit, in a lot of countries, there's no real expectation of privacy from anyone ranging from your relatives to the State. There's really no such thing as "this is my private space."

Bongoloids and other western and northern Europeans have a pretty strong value of privacy, and Burgerland and Canuckistan have it much more strongly.

I worry that a lot of kids these days don't fully understand that shit that happens in your own head is private. If you don't share it, nobody knows.
 
As an American you'll criticize stuff like this and some Brit will come back with like "yeah but our demographics are 70% white, which is better than yours in the US, so it's fine actually." Really weird behavior.
 
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