IN India hits back in 'bio-piracy' battle

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First time posting on this forum so please don't kill me if mess up the formatting. Article is from 2005.
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4506382.stm


In a quiet government office in the Indian capital, Delhi, some 100 doctors are hunched over computers poring over ancient medical texts and keying in information.

These doctors are practitioners of ayurveda, unani and siddha, ancient Indian medical systems that date back thousands of years.

Yoga exercises have been patented in the west
Yoga exercises have been patented in the west

One of them is Jaya Saklani Kala, a young ayurveda doctor, who is wading through a dog-eared 500-year-old text book for information on a medicine derived from the mango fruit.

"Soon the world will know the medicine, and the fact that it originated from India," she says.

With help from software engineers and patent examiners, Ms Kala and her colleagues are putting together a 30-million-page electronic encyclopaedia of India's traditional medical knowledge, the first of its kind in the world.

'Bio-piracy'

The ambitious $2m project, christened Traditional Knowledge Digital Library, will roll out an encyclopaedia of the country's traditional medicine in five languages - English, French, German, Japanese and Spanish - in an effort to stop people from claiming them as their own and patenting them.


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The tulsi (holy basil) plant has medicinal qualities


The electronic encyclopaedia, which will be made available next year, will contain information on the traditional medicines, including exhaustive references, photographs of the plants and scans from the original texts.

Indian scientists say the country has been a victim of what they describe as "bio-piracy" for a long time.

"When we put out this encyclopaedia in the public domain, no one will be able to claim that these medicines or therapies are their inventions. Till now, we have not done the needful to protect our traditional wealth," says Ajay Dua, a senior bureaucrat in the federal commerce ministry.

Putting together the encyclopaedia is a daunting task.

For one, ayurvedic texts are in Sanskrit and Hindi, unani texts are in Arabic and Persian and siddha material is in Tamil language. Material from these texts is being translated into five international languages, using sophisticated software coding.

The sheer wealth of material that has to be read through for information is enormous - there are some 54 authoritative 'text books' on ayurveda alone, some thousands of years old.

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"People outside India are not aware of our immense traditional knowledge wealth "
VK Gupta, project director

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Then there are nearly 150,000 recorded ayurvedic, unani and siddha medicines; and some 1,500 asanas (physical exercises and postures) in yoga, which originated in India more than 5,000 years ago.

Under normal circumstances, a patent application should always be rejected if there is prior existing knowledge about the product.

But in most of the developed nations like United States, "prior existing knowledge" is only recognised if it is published in a journal or is available on a database - not if it has been passed down through generations of oral and folk traditions.

The irony here is that India has suffered even though its traditional knowledge, as in China, has been documented extensively.

But information about traditional medicine has never been culled from their texts, translated and put out in the public domain.

Litigation

No wonder then that India has been embroiled in some high-profile patent litigation in the past decade - the government spent some $6m alone in fighting legal battles against the patenting of turmeric and neem-based medicines.

In 1995, the US Patent Office granted a patent on the wound-healing properties of turmeric.

Indian scientists protested and fought a two-year-long legal battle to get the patent revoked.

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India got a patent on turmeric,
used in curries, revoked​

Last year, India won a 10-year-long battle at the European Patent Office against a patent granted on an anti-fungal product, derived from neem, by successfully arguing that the medicinal neem tree is part of traditional Indian knowledge.

In 1998 the US Patent Office granted patent to a local company for new strains of rice similar to basmati, which has been grown for centuries in the Himalayan foothills of north-west India and Pakistan and has become popular internationally. After a prolonged legal battle, the patent was revoked four years ago.

And, in the US, an expatriate Indian yoga teacher has claimed copyright on a sequence of 36 yoga asanas, or postures.

Dr Vinod Kumar Gupta, who is leading the traditional wealth encyclopaedia project and heads India's National Institute of Science Communication and Information Resources (Niscair), reckons that of the nearly 5,000 patents given out by the US Patent Office on various medical plants by the year 2000, some 80% were plants of Indian origin.

Practitioners of traditional medicines say their importance cannot be denied - according to the WHO, 70% of the people living in India use traditional medicine for primary health care.

Also, some 42% of the people living in the US and 70% of the people living in Canada have used traditional medicines at least once for treatment.

By one estimate, a quarter of the new drugs produced in the US are plant-based, giving the sometimes much-criticised practitioners of alternative traditional medicine something to cheer about.

The mammoth Indian encyclopaedia may finally give alternative medicine the shot in the arm it sorely needs.
 
Missing the " new" part of "news" with a 20 year old article. Might be better posted in the India menace thread
 
Missing the " new" part of "news" with a 20 year old article. Might be better posted in the India menace thread
Might also post it there then, thank you. I'm aware that it's old but it was this bit plus the use of "needful" that made me decide it belonged on the farms
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I don't think anyone (white girls on TikTok maybe?) is going to claim that they invented discredited shitskin home remedies in a world of far more advanced medicine that actually works.
 
"SAAR, We invented advance medicine 4000 years ago saar, along with the internet and power flight."
I don't think anyone (white girls on TikTok maybe?) is going to claim that they invented discredited shitskin home remedies in a world of far more advanced medicine that actually works.
I don't quite understand the whole "bio piracy" concept (the wikipedia article is pretty confusing. Or maybe I'm just a tard) but the gist of it seems to be scientists from some rich country swooping in, studying something the locals in a poor country have been using then publishing that research, which I understand but why the hell didn't the locals just publish research themselves then? Apparently in India there was a big fuss over a foreign company patenting something called Neemex made with an extract of the neem tree which has beneficial properties. Indians complaining because they had already been using neem tree extract for that purpose. Only if the foreign company actually created some new mixture involving neem tree extract it would be a new product. It's not like a western company can't patent something that contains sheabutter just because people in Africa have used shea butter before.
 
I don't quite understand the whole "bio piracy" concept (the wikipedia article is pretty confusing. Or maybe I'm just a tard) but the gist of it seems to be scientists from some rich country swooping in, studying something the locals in a poor country have been using then publishing that research, which I understand but why the hell didn't the locals just publish research themselves then? Apparently in India there was a big fuss over a foreign company patenting something called Neemex made with an extract of the neem tree which has beneficial properties. Indians complaining because they had already been using neem tree extract for that purpose. Only if the foreign company actually created some new mixture involving neem tree extract it would be a new product. It's not like a western company can't patent something that contains sheabutter just because people in Africa have used shea butter before.
They are Indians, everything about them is about saving "face". The fact that a foreign company came in and did what they have failed to do for centuries/millennia is them losing "face", ignoring how this is beneficial for everyone (including them). They are trying to scam these companies out of money as way to save "face".

The Indian people look like an illogical bunch of shit smeared needlessly aggressive morons from a non-Indian perspective, but all their actions make some degree of sense when you start looking at it from that perspective. Mind you, they are still are a bunch of shit smeared needlessly aggressive morons but they have a certain kind of deranged logic to them.
 
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With help from software engineers and patent examiners, Ms Kala and her colleagues are putting together a 30-million-page electronic encyclopaedia of India's traditional medical knowledge, the first of its kind in the world.
30mil pages and it's pretty much all rubbing cow shit on yourself.
 
in the Indian capital, Delhi, some 100 doctors are hunched over computers poring over ancient medical texts and keying in information.
The visuals for this is like something out of a fantasy novel where the orc witchdoctor stirs a large cauldron over an open fire, adding batwings and unicorn tears into the green goo that is slowly boiling.
 
Update:
"To date, seven patent offices have been granted
access to the TKDL for purposes of cross-checking patent applications with
recorded prior art, including the European Patent Office, United States Patent
and Trademark Office, and the United Kingdom Intellectual Property Office
............
Dr. Gupta offers as an explanation for limiting access to the TKDL to only patent
offices.103 If the TKDL were accessible by the public, he argues,
multinationals such as Colgate-Palmolive would be free to steal all the TK
recorded.104 However, even Indians themselves, including the religious leaders
and practitioners of traditional medicine who own or regularly practice the TK
digitized, do not have access to the database.105 This fact distinguishes the
Indian model from other national databases. For example, the Korean
Traditional Knowledge Portal, a publicly available online database of Korean
traditional knowledge compiled between 2005 and 2007"

- https://georgetownlawtechreview.org...rom-Indias-TKDL-5-GEO.-TECH.-REV.-99-2021.pdf

 
Damn, who to side with Big Witchcraft or Big Poo? Either ways you going to feel very unclean!
 
Kind of ironic because India is ground zero for ignoring everyone else’s patents and making their own versions of drugs. But anyway.
There is value in doing this because almost all our pharmaceuticals up to recently have been plant derived. There are in fact a lot of old herbal remedies that work. There was a good one from an old English herbal for an eye ointment, that was more effective than antibiotics at nuking mrsa but only if the recipe was followed exactly.
So it’s well worth transcribing this stuff because in among the stuff that doesn’t work may well be things that do.
It’s als wrong to be able to patent a natural plant or simple extract from it IMO, but that’s a whole different threa
 
It’s als wrong to be able to patent a natural plant or simple extract from it IMO, but that’s a whole different threa
You can't just patent a plant or other natural substance, not sure if that extends to extracts. I fully understand the logic that if a culture has been using something for millennia then some foreign company shouldn't get to "take credit" by slapping a brand on it but in a lot of these cases it begs the question of why the culture in question didn't put their traditional medicine of choice through scientific testing before some foreigners did.
 
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