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Another defense I've seen for Vivzie's writing in particular is that it's armor to keep the writer and the audience both from being "uncomfortable." From feeling anything negative for too long. Yet they're perfectly comfortable doing this:Late as fuck I know but this has always boiled my piss about no talent TV show writers, they have all the time in the world. Even if you only have 8 episodes and each episode clocks in at 25 minutes that's still a grand total of 200 minutes of screen time, that's three hours and twenty minutes.
It took Vaggie a few years to regenerate her wings, and even then, it was only when she did her dance-fight with Carmilla, so it seems like angels can only regenerate when they aren't dealing with psychological trauma. Of course, I'm probably just making up excuses that the writers never thought of.Have they come up with how death or even damage is done yet?
It started as angelic steel killed and made wounds that couldn't be regenerated. Alright... Then how did Lute lose her arm permanently there wasn't anything demonic or holy infused in the pillar that landed on her. Is it a choice to have it healed... Do they not regenerate?
I just don't really follow what is a dangerous attack and what is an annoyance that causes you to respawn...
That's something that's done in Steven Universe with Volleyball.like angels can only regenerate when they aren't dealing with psychological trauma. Of course, I'm probably just making up excuses that the writers never thought of.
It took Vaggie a few years to regenerate her wings, and even then, it was only when she did her dance-fight with Carmilla, so it seems like angels can only regenerate when they aren't dealing with psychological trauma. Of course, I'm probably just making up excuses that the writers never thought of.
I think a lot of these worldbuilding problems come from the show itself asking questions it's not equipped to answer. It's extremely hard to talk about redemption when you treat harm and care inconsistently. For contrast, instead of bringing Sir Pentious with them (or at least proof he's up there if even angels can't get him down), Heaven's ambassadors brought gift baskets. An easily exploitable move given the context, and one that Vox took advantage of. Yet in the pilot we see Hell cleaning up its dead immediately, eating parts, picking them up to sell, Rosie crossing off her business partner's name. I haven't forgotten that disabled kid in Helluva Boss, or Vox using a kid as a prop. It all makes you wonder what Hell actually values.*That's something that's done in Steven Universe with Volleyball.
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Steven couldn't figure out how to heal her cracked eye because it was a psychological issue and not a external issue. Meaning the only way to heal the cracked eye was to confront the fact that Pink was an abuser.
Amazon is notorious for cancelling series so the war aspect might've convinced the suits they have a new Marvel.Ya know, I get this weird thought, and this could be just bullshit. I can't help but feel that when Viv first brought the idea of the show to A24 and Amazon, the concept of this animated slice-of-life series with Charlie trying to help redeem sinners didn’t really get much enthusiasm. It felt like people were barely paying attention, just giving a half-hearted “Yeah, yeah, sounds interesting” at best. So, to turn things around, she started talking about the whole Heaven vs Hell thing to get everyone engaged.
No, which has always been one of my biggest complaints about the series. Only angelic weapons can kill sinners, which okay, fine, because being sent to Hell is eternal damnation and all that. But then what is the risk with any of the fight scenes in HH?Have they come up with how death or even damage is done yet?
Possibly. Viv has said that whatever happens in S3 of Hazbin is the thing that got the whole show picked up for a the entire four seasons to begin with, so something that isn't just the "redeem sinners" thing happens and is what sold the show.I can't help but feel that when Viv first brought the idea of the show to A24 and Amazon, the concept of this animated slice-of-life series with Charlie trying to help redeem sinners didn’t really get much enthusiasm. It felt like people were barely paying attention, just giving a half-hearted “Yeah, yeah, sounds interesting” at best. So, to turn things around, she started talking about the whole Heaven vs Hell thing to get everyone engaged. Since ya know, a show that you can ascribed to something like Supernatural, Spawn like pick your choice whenever it's Heaven vs Hell motive and it says dollar signs.
Looking at that icon, angel Vox could both be a funny and thunk-provoking idea if they stayed with the idea that Vox still has a cult, but he wasn't evil, just him and his followers having a screwed up mindset.Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the Hellaverse griefing thread!
Think of it as the characters gaining sentience and demanding retribution for the shitty show.It's funny how pretty much everyone who has an HH/HB pfp here does nothing but bitch and complain about the shows themselves. I mean they're right, but. . .
I thought only angelic weapons can kill angels? Sinners die a lot, Alastor murdered a bunch of overlords for RosieNo, which has always been one of my biggest complaints about the series. Only angelic weapons can kill sinners
I don't care that much about it so I think 'it's ok' and like the good parts . If I did care about it I would be annoyed. Irony of being a fan of somethingIt's funny how pretty much everyone who has an HH/HB pfp here does nothing but bitch and complain about the shows themselves. I mean they're right, but. . .
i know for me its because of wasted potential. i unironically really enjoy the show. but also it irks me how much missed opportunity there is.It's funny how pretty much everyone who has an HH/HB pfp here does nothing but bitch and complain about the shows themselves. I mean they're right, but. . .
I will say this show has significantly fewer problems than TADC. It at least is trying to tell a real story with a real plot rather than just being a series of self-therapy sessions by the tranny creator, then laughing in the audience's face that they dare care about some sort of larger, overarching narrative.i know for me its because of wasted potential. i unironically really enjoy the show. but also it irks me how much missed opportunity there is.
I can agree with this. On the very rare occasion I try to watch a show I will get pissed off at it because of issues or characters. Somehow this show of all shows managed to break through.I will say this show has significantly fewer problems than TADC. It at least is trying to tell a real story with a real plot rather than just being a series of self-therapy sessions by the tranny creator, then laughing in the audience's face that they dare care about some sort of larger, overarching narrative.
Seeing actual biblical figures like Abel and Saint Paul get portrayed as heckin' softbois got my goat. I can see Adam being a genocidal motherfucker for Lucifer essentially upending his entire species, but on the other hand, Jesus would love Charlie's redemption idea. Hell, his whole life was about it, not just because of his death and resurrection but of people like Paul the Apostle. Paul once persecuted Christians intensely since he saw it as a threat to Judaism, until he went through his own redemption arc (went on the road to Damascus, got blinded after hearing a resurrected Jesus, saved by a disciple named Ananias who had a divine revelation) and ended up martyred by Nero. Putting Jesus himself in your show is rather delicate, and I wouldn't expect more tact than South Park, but because there's actual risk and it involves unsexy research it'd never happen. What a waste.For hazbin instead of leaning into how deep something like this could go they have to simplify it as to not offend people or whatever. If they leaned harder into christian/jewish lore they could make it way more interesting.
I'm of two minds about it? I get what you mean with "writing is going well *laughs*" but self-therapy and rugpulls are different kinds of dopamine chasing. It's inherently disrespectful to waste your audience's time and treat them like retards for giving a fuck. However, this is going to sound cagey but I don't think Hazbin wants you to care for the right reasons. It dangles keys in your face asking you not to notice that it's glittery cardboard. There's not a lot of thought put into either, so I just can't find one better than the other.I will say this show has significantly fewer problems than TADC. It at least is trying to tell a real story with a real plot rather than just being a series of self-therapy sessions by the tranny creator, then laughing in the audience's face that they dare care about some sort of larger, overarching narrative.
yes! this is also one of my issues. "i just watch the dooooooor" and "assorted taffies" SHUT UP NIGGA FUCKSeeing actual biblical figures like Abel and Saint Paul get portrayed as heckin' softbois got my goat
I remember Legends of Tomorrow did a season-long arc about the Holy Lance/Spear of Destiny (reimagined as a reality-warping artifact), and even though the entire show was about traveling through time, they make up a new rule that translates to "We can't interfere with Jesus' life because of the way history could be affected. The Battle of the Somme, on the other hand, is fair game."Putting Jesus himself in your show is rather delicate, and I wouldn't expect more tact than South Park, but because there's actual risk and it involves unsexy research it'd never happen. What a waste.
At the very least, Hazbin tries to take its worldbuilding seriously, as opposed to TADC dedicaing an entire episode to making fun of its audience for creaing fan theories about the setting.I'm of two minds about it? I get what you mean with "writing is going well *laughs*" but self-therapy and rugpulls are different kinds of dopamine chasing. It's inherently disrespectful to waste your audience's time and treat them like retards for giving a fuck. However, this is going to sound cagey but I don't think Hazbin wants you to care for the right reasons. It dangles keys in your face asking you not to notice that it's glittery cardboard. There's not a lot of thought put into either, so I just can't find one better than the other.