Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread - Gorl Tawk's very own DMZ (De-Moidified Zone)

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"My roommate gets laid, therefore foids shouldn't have the right to vote" lmao is this faggot for real

We really need a manlet eugenics program, their minds are always as small and weak as their bodies
It's amazing how any subject, no matter how grave, will ultimately lead back to their sad penis feelings. "You want to abolish harmful gender roles? Idk, not really sure how that's fair when women don't ask me out, pay for dinner, and then suck my dick. Isn't that a double standard? :/"

Turns out "female solipsism" is just women not catering to men's needs.
 
Would he date a short woman? Would he date an obese woman? His preferences are valid yea? So why wouldn't a woman's be?
Anything that doesn't get men laid is a hatecrime. He's allowed to pick and choose, but women are not, because if they have a choice, they wouldn't pick him. And that's baaa-aaaaaad. 🐑

"That's not a hate crime, Michael."
"WELL I HATED IT."

Im on the taller side for a woman and Im totally fine with short dudes but it's this attitude and sentiment that turns me off to these kinds of pathetic chuds.
It's like fat guys who deeply hate how fat they are. They internalize that cultural hate of fat people and then that creates self-hate. But rather than dealing with that self-hate and finding things you like about yourself/working on yourself/creating a purpose outside of sexual value...fat guys end up externalizing their hate onto women, usually fat women. Everything they hate about their own fat bodies, they spew onto fat women, who, to the fat guy, are the lowest of the low. They tell fat women that their rolls, flab, etc., is repulsive, and that's because the fat guy finds himself repulsive merely because he has been told he is repulsive. If he took a shower and changed his clothes, he'd get more attention. However, he dirties himself further to punish those who "won't choose him" for...not choosing him? The "logical sex." I knew a guy IRL during my college years who had been single for like a year. He was all pissy and sexually frustrated and said, verbatim on Facebook, "if women think I'm gross I'm just going to become grosser" and was growing out his beard, saying he stopped wearing deodorant. Bitch what? Men let their self-loathing fester until it's genuine misanthropy and misogyny.

I'm also on the taller side for women and I'm a fat hag and, wouldn't you know it, even in a hateful patriarchal world where I am conventionally unattractive, taking care of myself on a base level and generally being pleasant has warranted me sexual attention and validation. Being normal makes people want to have a normal time with you. Short guys, fat guys, bald guys...men in general. They ruin their own lives.
 
Guys GUYS LOOK AT THIS BROS.

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OUT OF HALF A BILLION WOMEN LIVING THERE THEY CANT FIND A SINGLE CHILDLESS WOMAN REGRETTING NOT HAVING KIDS TO MAKE THESE VIDEOS

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Guys GUYS LOOK AT THIS BROS.

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China not hate women challenge: impossible

Maybe if 996 wasn't a thing and if they didn't have a one child policy for Han chinese for so long.. there would be more kids. The only reason why I have a sibling is because we are ethnic minority group. Even then, they had a limit of 2 or 3 kids. Chinese beauty standards are INSANITY. The work culture is BAD. Most youth can't even find a job after college.

Chinese education is a torture. You study from 7 am to 12 am. You have to take the 高考 Gao Kao which is the exam that dictate your future. Employer boss don't even care what your degree is, you can't even get a basic office job unless you graduate from the top 3 colleges in China. What's the point if you spend your entire life studying, take a test that dictates your entire future, compete even more in College, and still only be able to get a job as a delivery driver for MeiTuan 美团 (which is basically door dash)

Here's an Article that explains how bad it is getting.

Nobody has the money or time to raise a kid. Everything is hyper competition and if a woman has a kid she looses so many opportunities and is basically left behind. It's a ball and chain in the society.

At least we aren't pumping out kids for food stamp money. Asian parent are strict but love very much and want them best for their kid. I hear from my American friend that their parent charge rent money or kick them out at 18. Or how they keep having kid but can't afford. At least my mom tell me no kid until I am certain that I will care for it no matter what. After seeing many regretful parent, I don't care for putting myself or potential child through this.

Pushing motherhood is foolishness and these AI clips are pathetic.
 
Can you ladies give me your insight into the Door dash lady who filmed a dude naked after he exposed himself?
Because Idk. There's no proof of the video existing with the comments spamming her "guilt" being known bot accounts, yet now people are using the fact she was arrested as "proof" she was in the wrong, but I still don't buy it. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty" when it comes to victims? I thought a dude getting arrested and charged due sex crimes didn't mean anything if it might be dropped later? Funny "guilty until proven innocent" only applies to women, aka the sex that doesn't even commit most crimes.

I could get wrong and she might be lying about the dude. But I really, really doubt it. You're saying the dude not only left his door unlocked but causally just so happened to be hanging around naked right after ordering Doordash? Yeah, OK. How did she know ahead of time to film it? Why would she be so stressed out if she was lying, why would she put her job and livelihood against one of the most selfish companies in the world if she was lying? Why would you believe a .001 type of rare situation compared to her story, which is extremely fucking common to the point lawsuits has been thrown at these types of companies.
 
At least we aren't pumping out kids for food stamp money. Asian parent are strict but love very much and want them best for their kid. I hear from my American friend that their parent charge rent money or kick them out at 18. Or how they keep having kid but can't afford. At least my mom tell me no kid until I am certain that I will care for it no matter what. After seeing many regretful parent, I don't care for putting myself or potential child through this.
I've seen American men posting absolutely insane takes about the low US birth rate lately. One was claiming that we need to get rid of seat belt laws because having to buckle your kids in is a "barrier to parenthood." They truly don't give a shit if a car accident turns their child into a bloody meat pretzel as long as they can reproduce infinitely. A woman invests nine months building a child out of her own flesh and bones and years raising them, and the child's father will just decide that buckling them in so they don't die is too much effort. Men who have this "quantity over quality" approach to having children should get no say in how the next generation are born or raised. If your investment is truly that low, then your opinion should matter just as little.
 
Can you ladies give me your insight into the Door dash lady who filmed a dude naked after he exposed himself?
Because Idk. There's no proof of the video existing with the comments spamming her "guilt" being known bot accounts, yet now people are using the fact she was arrested as "proof" she was in the wrong, but I still don't buy it. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty" when it comes to victims? I thought a dude getting arrested and charged due sex crimes didn't mean anything if it might be dropped later? Funny "guilty until proven innocent" only applies to women, aka the sex that doesn't even commit most crimes.

I could get wrong and she might be lying about the dude. But I really, really doubt it. You're saying the dude not only left his door unlocked but causally just so happened to be hanging around naked right after ordering Doordash? Yeah, OK. How did she know ahead of time to film it? Why would she be so stressed out if she was lying, why would she put her job and livelihood against one of the most selfish companies in the world if she was lying? Why would you believe a .001 type of rare situation compared to her story, which is extremely fucking common to the point lawsuits has been thrown at these types of companies.
She had a history of breaking into places prior and was squatting in someone's home for a bit
 
Guys GUYS LOOK AT THIS BROS.

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Maybe if 996 wasn't a thing and if they didn't have a one child policy for Han chinese for so long.. there would be more kids. The only reason why I have a sibling is because we are ethnic minority group. Even then, they had a limit of 2 or 3 kids. Chinese beauty standards are INSANITY. The work culture is BAD. Most youth can't even find a job after college.
To my understanding, they also have to shell out for a car and an expensive tofu dreg home that will end up collapsing and killing 86 chinks in one go.
 
Can you ladies give me your insight into the Door dash lady who filmed a dude naked after he exposed himself?
Because Idk. There's no proof of the video existing with the comments spamming her "guilt" being known bot accounts, yet now people are using the fact she was arrested as "proof" she was in the wrong, but I still don't buy it. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty" when it comes to victims? I thought a dude getting arrested and charged due sex crimes didn't mean anything if it might be dropped later? Funny "guilty until proven innocent" only applies to women, aka the sex that doesn't even commit most crimes.

I could get wrong and she might be lying about the dude. But I really, really doubt it. You're saying the dude not only left his door unlocked but causally just so happened to be hanging around naked right after ordering Doordash? Yeah, OK. How did she know ahead of time to film it? Why would she be so stressed out if she was lying, why would she put her job and livelihood against one of the most selfish companies in the world if she was lying? Why would you believe a .001 type of rare situation compared to her story, which is extremely fucking common to the point lawsuits has been thrown at these types of companies.
Prior to the edit, the basis for the information in the KF thread was a slop "news" website using a meme Twitter page as a primary source. The site later printed a retraction.
CORRECTION AND RETRACTION: Firstly, we must make two corrections concerning what we stated in our last article about DoorDash driver Livie Rose Henderson.

1. False statement regarding entry into home:

“The video was taken from the exterior of the male’s residence,” reported the Oswego Police Department, “on October 13, 2025.” We noted that Henderson “opened the closed entrance door and went inside,” although there is not one shred of evidence to support that claim regarding the driver.

2. Deception about Ring home security camera videos

We also noted that there was “Ring camera footage” reviewed by the police, but this is not referred to at all in the public statement by the OPD.

Both of these statements are marked as deleted.

EDITOR’S NOTE: We apologize to Livie Rose Henderson and to all of our readers for these mistakes. We are making efforts not to make mistakes such as these in the future.
It's possible he was trying to flash her especially if he knew a young woman was delivering, because that happens. It's also possible he got hammered, ordered food, and passed out without realizing the door was ajar, something I think is probably more common. I've never ordered DoorDash unless I was demolished enough to think ordering $50 worth of food microwaved by coked-up illegals who spat in it, and having it delivered by another coked-up illegal via private taxi who also spat in it was a good idea.

Even assuming the worst of the customer, she had no reason entering his home when she could have walked away, reported to DoorDash and law enforcement, and not posted this guy on TikTok. She overreacted at best. What gets on my nerves is the usual bleating of "repeal the 19th" and "Islam is right about women" whenever a woman does something stupid, but men chimping out in public and committing the majority of violent crime is just business as usual. If I had the same mindset as these chuds, watching a single episode of Jackass or hidden camera on a construction site would have me planning a Final Solution for moids. I guess it's because our rights are conditional on good behavior whereas for men they're God-given and irrevocable.
 
so the people that want to "repeal the 19th because women are too emotional to vote" want to vote for Gavin Newsom because he's more attractive than Vance. (Definitely not gay btw)
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Thanks Mr. Hamburger now use that money from your successful coffee company to get a hair transplant already.
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Can't even read the Quartering thread because every retarded moid on the site is writing an essay about how Melonie Mac is "akshually a whore and a bad Christian b/c tattoos and fat and would not sex" - man who would because men famously have 0 standards. Getting more moids on the internet was a fucking mistake. The entire internet is different flavors of reddit with low IQ zombies posting porn and thinking their take is worth sharing.

Thin woman who wears black with heavy eyeliner and tattoos must be a whore or basically a whore therefore I get to chimp out on her!
Well whores worshipping Christ is Biblical. He was the only one to see them as people and forgive them for their sins. A lot of His early supporters were the dregs of society. Women are more religious than men and if Melonie Mac says praise Jesus, praise Jesus! How many trad conservative men are found trying to hit up trannies or skinwalk their wives like that one fat pastor?

Melonie Mac looks fine for her age, Lara Croft tiddie statues and all.
 
I found this, the chinse feminists are absolutely correct here.
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from 2009, might be outdated, more numbers:
A huge proportion of the women I know enough to talk with about it have survived an attempted or completed rape. None of them was raped by a stranger who attacked them from behind a bush, hid in the back of her car or any of the other scenarios that fit the social script of stranger rape. Anyone reading this post, in fact, is likely to know that six out of seven rapes are committed by someone the victim knows. It has been clear for a long time, at least since Robin Warshaw’s groundbreaking “I Never Called It Rape,” which used Mary Koss’s reseach, that the stranger rape script did not describe rape as most women experienced it. It’s easy to picture the stranger rapist: a violent criminal, not much different from the violent criminals who commit other violent crimes. This guy was in prison before, and he’ll be back there again, though not for rape because reporting and conviction rates are so low. (See, generally, Susan Brownmiller’s Against Our Will.)

But who commits the vast majority of rapes, the nonstranger rapes? The acquaintance rapes? Anecdotally, we all know the answer — or an answer, or some answers. The tall guy, the short guy, the skinny guy, the fat guy, the frat guy, the nerdy guy, the jock, the geek, the date, the friend-of-a-friend, the drinking buddy, and the guy from accounting. Lots of different guys in lots of different circumstances.

When women note that the rapists don’t come with convenient notes on their foreheads and that therefore women have to entertain the possibility that every guy (even ones they know a bit) are rapists, folks get all sorts of upset. But the less women know about who these guys are, the less they know who to worry about.

It is notoriously tough to figure out who the rapists are. Reporting and conviction rates for acquaintance rapes are so low as to be useless as a diagnostic tool. And how else can we know? The rapists won’t just tell us that they are rapists, right?

That’s what I would have though. Turns out I thought wrong. If a survey asks men, for example, if they ever “had sexual intercourse with somone, even though they did not want to, because they were too intoxicated (on alcohol or drugs) to resist your sexual advances,” some of them will say yes, as long as the questions don’t use the “R” word.

I have taken a look at two large-sample surverys of undetected rapists. One is Repeat Rape and Multiple Offending Among Undetected Rapists by David Lesak and Paul M. Miller, published in Violence and Victims, Vol 17, No. 1, 2002 (Lisak & Miller 2002). The other is Reports of Rape Reperpetration by Newly Enlisted Male Navy Personnel by Stephanie K. McWhorter, et al., published in Violence and Victims, Vol, 24, No. 2, 2009 (McWhorter 2009). (I can’t link to either study because neither is available in full for free.)

These look to me to be the best available data on who the rapists are who have not been caught and incarcerated — which is the vast, vast majority. They are, however, limited, so that in talking about them it constrains the discussion of rape into a narrow range around a modal form of men raping women.*

Lisak & Miller

Lisak & Miller set out to answer two questions:

First, do a substantial number of undetected rapists rape more than once (i.e. repeat rapists)? Second, do undetected rapists (repeat or otherwise), like their incarcerated counterparts, commit other types of interpersonal violence …?
Lisak & Miller at p. 74.

Their sample was 1882 college students, ranging in age from 18 to 71 with a median age of 26.5 — so somewhat older than a traditional college population. The group was also ethnically diverse. They asked this group four questions about rape and attempted rape. I’ll paraphrase:
1) Have you ever attempted unsuccessfully to have intercourse with an adult by force or threat of force?
2) Have you ever had sexual intercourse with someone who did not want you to because they were too intoxicated to resist?
3) Have you ever had intercourse with someone by force or threat of force?
4) Have you ever had oral intercourse with someone by force or threat of force?

[Edited to add: I paraphrased the questions to make them shorter, but now the questions are being quoted, so I thought it was only fair to the authors to key in the full text of the questions they used:


(1) Have you ever been in a situation where you tried, but for various reasons did not succeed, in having sexual intercourse with an adult by using or threatening to use physical force (twisting their arm, holding them down, etc.) if they did not cooperate?
(2) Have you ever had sexual intercourse with someone, even though they did not want to, because they were too intoxicated (on alcohol or drugs) to resist your sexual advances (e.g., removing their clothes)?
(3) Have you ever had sexual intercourse with an adult when they didn’t want to because you used or threatened to use physical force (twisting their arm; holding them down, etc.) if they didn’t cooperate?
(4) Have you ever had oral sex with an adult when they didn’t want to because you used or threatened to use physical force (twisting their arm; holding them down, etc.) if they didn’t cooperate?
Lisak & Miller at 77-78.]


So without quibbling over the precise statutory definition, this equates to rape or attempted rape. 120 men admitted to raping to attempting to rape. This is actually a relatively slim proportion of the survey population — just over 6% — and might be an underreport, though for part of the sample, the survey team did interviews to confirm the self-reports, which tends to show if there is an undercount in the self-reports, and found the responses consistent. But the more interesting part of the findings were how those rapists and their offenses broke down.

Of the 120 rapists in the sample, 44 reported only one assault. The remaining 76 were repeat offenders. These 76 men, 63% of the rapists, committed 439 rapes or attempted rapes, an average of 5.8 each (median of 3, so there were some super-repeat offenders in this group). Just 4% of the men surveyed committed over 400 attempted or completed rapes.

The breakdown between the modus operandi of the rapists also tells us a lot about how wrong the script is. Of all 120 admitted rapists, only about 30% reported using force or threats, while the remainder raped intoxicated victims. This proportion was roughly the same between the 44 rapists who reported one assault and the 76 who reported multiple assaults. (What the authors call “overt-force rapists” committed more sexual assaults, on average, than the “intoxication rapists” by about 6 to 3, but the parts of the sample are so small that this result did not reach statistical significance and could be sampling error rather than a real phenomenon. I’d really like an answer to that, though.)

Lisak & Miller also answered their other question: are rapists responsible for more violence generally? Yes. The surveys covered other violent acts, such as slapping or choking an intimate partner, physically or sexually abusing a child, and sexual assaults other than attempted or completed rapes. In the realm of being partner- and child-beating monsters, the repeat rapists really stood out. These 76 men, just 4% of the sample, were responsible for 28% of the reported violence. The whole sample of almost 1900 men reported just under 4000 violent acts, but this 4% of recidivist rapists results in over 1000 of those violent acts.

If we could eliminate the men who rape again and again and again, a quarter of the violence against women and children would disappear. That’s the public policy implication.

McWhorter

Stephanie McWhorter and her colleagues completed a study just this year that in my view replicate the important results of Lisak & Miller, working with a very different population of young-ish men. She studied 1146 newly enlisted men in the U.S. Navy, asking them about their behavior since age 14. McWhorter’s participants were younger than Lisak & Miller’s sample, averaging just under 20 and topping out at 34, as one would expect from a sample of military recruits. The study was longitudinal, following up at intervals during the participants’ Navy hitch.

McWhorter used a Sexual Experiences Survey tool that has been in use for more than 20 years. Of her 1146 participants, 144, or 13%, admitted an attempted or completed rape — substantially higher than Lisak & Miller. But in another respect, her work very much matched theirs: 71% of the men who admitted an attempted or completed rape admitted more than one, very close to Lisak & Miller’s 63%. The 96 men who admitted multiple attempted of completed rapes in McWhorter’s survey averaged 6.36 assaults each. This is not far from Lisak & Miller’s average of 5.8 assaults per recidivist. Looked at another way, of the 865 total attempted or completed rapes these men admitted to, a staggering 95% were committed by 96 men, or just 8.4% of the sample.

McWhorter’s findings on modus operandi also confirm the basic finding of Lisak & Miller’s earlier study: 61% of the reported attacks were intoxication-based, 23% were overt force alone, and 16% were both. (77% of the pre-enlistment and 75% of the post-enlistment rapes or attempted rapes were, in whole or in part, intoxication attacks. But 34% of pre-enlistment and 45% of post-enlistment assaults involved overt force, a change in pattern that ought to be explained by further research.)

McWhorter’s research also indicates that rapists start young. Of the men who did not report an assault pre-enlistment, only 2% reported assaults while in the Navy, but 16% of those who admitted that they raped or attempted to rape between age 14 and enlistment also said they did it again while enlisted. 60% of rapists, however, said their first assault was after they turned 18. This implies that there is a window when rapists start raping, in their late teens.

Finally, in an entirely unsurprising finding, rapists who admitted assaulting strangers – ever – were less than a quarter of the rapist population. More than 90% targeted acquaintances some of the time, and about 75% said they only targeted acquaintances. Only 7% of all the self-reported rapists reported targeting only strangers. And, in fact, there was zero overlap between the men who said they targeted starangers, and those who used only force.

I’m going to repeat that, because I think it is important. As McWhorter wrote:

Of the men who used only force against their victims, none reported raping a stranger; all the men knew their victims… [T]he stereotypical rape incident characterized by a man violently attacking a stranger was not reported by any of the respondents. Instead, respondents who used only force against their victims reported raping only women they knew. men who trageted strangers exclusively reported they used substances only in the rape incident.

These findings may help explain why most self-reported [attempted or completed rape] incidents go undetected.
McWhorter, p. 212-13.

Conclusions

Lots of smart people will take a lot of different things away from this research on undetected rapists, and on more research that will hopefully follow. Here are my impressions:

First, the stranger-force rape is a small proportion of rapes, and is all but absent from the samples of self-reporters. Other research** shows that lack of prior acquaintance and use of the weapon are the only significant factors that increase the likelihood that a victim will report the offense. Attacking strangers with force or weapons is the only pattern of victimization at all likely to lead to incarceration of the rapist, let’s face it — so those who commit rape in the way that follows the script may be already in jail, not in college or the Navy filling out surveys. The rapists who are out there are mostly using intoxication, and mostly attacking victims they know.

Second, the sometimes-floated notion that acquaintance rape is simply a mistake about consent, is wrong. (See Amanda Hess’s excellent takedown here.) The vast majority of the offenses are being committed by a relatively small group of men, somewhere between 4% and 8% of the population, who do it again … and again … and again. That just doesn’t square with the notion of innocent mistake. Further, since the repeaters are also responsible for a hugely disproportionate share of the intimate partner violence, child beating and child sexual abuse, the notion that these predators are somehow confused good guys does not square with the data. Most of the raping is done by guys who like to rape, and to abuse, assault and violate. If we could get the one-in-twelve or one-in-25 repeat rapists out of the population (that is a lot of men — perhaps six or twelve million men in the U.S. alone) or find a way to stop them from hurting others, most sexual assault, and a lot of intimate partner violence and child abuse, would go away. Really.

Recommendation

I’m directing this to men who inhabit het-identified social spaces, and I’m not really limiting it more than that. Women are already doing what they can to prevent rape; brokering a peace with the fear is part of their lives that we can never fully understand. We’re the ones who are not doing our jobs.

Here’s what we need to do. We need to spot the rapists, and we need to shut down the social structures that give them a license to operate. They are in the population, among us. They have an average of six victims, women that they know, and therefore likely some women you know. They use force sometimes, but mostly they use intoxicants. They don’t accidentally end up in a room with a woman too drunk or high to consent or resist; they plan on getting there and that’s where they end up.

Listen. The women you know will tell you when the men they thought they could trust assaulted them; if and only if they know you won’t stonewall, deny, blame or judge. Let them tell you that they got drunk, and woke up with your buddy on top of them. Listen. Don’t defend that guy. That guy is more likely than not a recidivist. He has probably done it before. He will probably do it again.

Change the culture. To rape again and again, these men need silence. They need to know that the right combination of factors — alcohol and sex shame, mostly — will keep their victims quiet. Otherwise, they would be identified earlier and have a harder time finding victims. The women in your life need to be able to talk frankly about sexual assault. They need to be able to tell you, and they need to know that they can tell you, and not be stonewalled, denied, blamed or judged.

Listen. The men in your lives will tell you what they do. As long as the R word doesn’t get attached, rapists do self-report. The guy who says he sees a woman too drunk to know where she is as an opportunity is not joking. He’s telling you how he sees it. The guy who says, “bros before hos”, is asking you to make a pact.

The Pact. The social structure that allows the predators to hide in plain sight, to sit at the bar at the same table with everyone, take a target home, rape her, and stay in the same social circle because she can’t or won’t tell anyone, or because nobody does anything if she does. The pact to make excuses, to look for mitigation, to patch things over — to believe that what happens to our friends — what our friends do to our friends — is not (using Whoopi Goldberg’s pathetic apologetics) “rape-rape”.

Change the culture. We are not going to pull six or ten or twelve million men out of the U.S. population over any short period, so if we are going to put a dent in the prevalence of rape, we need to change the environment that the rapist operates in. Choose not to be part of a rape-supportive environment. Rape jokes are not jokes. Woman-hating jokes are not jokes. These guys are telling you what they think. When you laugh along to get their approval, you give them yours. You tell them that the social license to operate is in force; that you’ll go along with the pact to turn your eyes away from the evidence; to make excuses for them; to assume it’s a mistake, of the first time, or a confusing situation. You’re telling them that they’re at low risk.

I saw economist James Galbraith not long ago — an economist beloved of progressives everywhere. Galbraith said, among other things, “First rule of economics: incentives work.” He was speaking in another context, but this applies to rape. The overwhelming prevalence of acquaintance over stranger rapes and of intoxication over overt force, and the relative rarity of weapon use and physical injuries, is easily explained. Rapists know what works. They like to rape, they want to keep doing it, they want not to be caught. It is in their interest to be very sensitive to which accounts of rape are believed and which are attacked and to know which targets and methods are lowest-risk for them.

What they do is what works. They rape their drunk acquaintances because it works. They rape their drunk acquaintances because we let them.

We need to revoke the rapists’ social license to operate. We need to stop asking, “why do we think he didn’t know she wasn’t consenting,” which is the first question now, really. First as a cultural matter — leaving the legal matter aside — we need to adopt the stance that sexual interaction ought to always be had in a state of affirmative consent by all participants; that anything else is aberrant. If someone says, “I was sexually assaulted,” the first question should be, “why was a person continuing with sexual activity when zir partner did not want to?”

This is what it is: real rape happens when the attacker is drunk and the target is drunker and alone and isolated. That’s rape-rape. If he gets away with it, it will be, on average, rape-rape-rape-rape-rape-rape. If we refuse to listen, he can continue to pretend that the rapist is some guy in the parking lot late at night, when it’s actually him, in our friends’ bedrooms half an hour after last call. If we let that happen, we’re part of the problem.

The rapists can’t be your friends, and if you are loyal to them even when faced with the evidence of what they do, you are complicit.

*Big caveat here: The research in this area is still in an almost embryonic state, though. Since both studies only look at male attackers and don’t discuss the sex, orientation or gender identity of victims at all, I’m kind of stuck with discussing rapes committed by men and presuming that their adult victims are women, though I’m almost certain there are exceptions that are not broken out in this data, and that are probably too few in number to allow conclusions about anyway. I’m going to address rape within the constaints of the data, which is about male rapists, and speak as if the modal assault, which is against a woman, is all assaults. That ignores a lot in terms of topics and dynamics, if not raw numbers, and I’m aware of how much it ignores, but just having any data from a non-incarcerated sample of rapists is a huge improvement over having none.

**Lisak & Miller cite Frazier, P.A. & Haney, B. (1996). Sexual assault cases in the legal system: Police, prosecutor and victim perspectives. Law and Human Behavior, 20, 607-628. I have not read it.
from 2011, tl;dr: rapists tell rape jokes:
To all those men who don't think the rape jokes are a problem:

I get it—you're a decent guy. I can even believe it. You've never raped anybody. You would NEVER rape anybody. You're upset that all these feminists are trying to accuse you of doing something, or connect you to doing something, that, as far as you're concerned, you've never done and would never condone.

And they've told you about triggers, and PTSD, and how one in six women is a survivor, and you get it. You do. But you can't let every time someone gets all upset get in the way of you having a good time, right? Especially when it doesn't mean anything. Rape jokes have never made YOU go out and rape someone. They never would; they never could. You just don't see how it matters.

I'm going to tell you how it does matter. And I tell you this because I genuinely believe you mean it when you say you don't want to hurt anybody, and that it's important to you to do your best to be a decent and good person, and that you don't see the harm. And I genuinely believe you when you say you would never associate with a rapist and you think rape really is a very bad thing.

Here is why I refuse to take rape jokes sitting down…

Because 6% of college-aged men, slightly over 1 in 20, will admit to raping someone in anonymous surveys, as long as the word "rape" isn't used in the description of the act—and that's the conservative estimate. Other sources double that number (pdf).

A lot of people accuse feminists of thinking that all men are rapists. That's not true. But do you know who think all men are rapists?

Rapists do.

They really do. In psychological study, the profiling, the studies, it comes out again and again.

Virtually all rapists genuinely believe that all men rape, and other men just keep it hushed up better. And more, these people who really are rapists are constantly reaffirmed in their belief about the rest of mankind being rapists like them by things like rape jokes, that dismiss and normalize the idea of rape.

If one in twenty guys (or more) is a real and true rapist, and you have any amount of social activity with other guys like yourself, then it is almost a statistical certainty that one time hanging out with friends and their friends, playing Halo with a bunch of guys online, in a WoW guild, in a pick-up game of basketball, at a bar, or elsewhere, you were talking to a rapist. Not your fault. You can't tell a rapist apart any better than anyone else can. It's not like they announce themselves.

But, here's the thing. It's very likely that in some of these interactions with these guys, at some point or another, someone told a rape joke. You, decent guy that you are, understood that they didn't mean it, and it was just a joke. And so you laughed.

Or maybe you didn't laugh. Maybe it just wasn't a very funny joke. So maybe you just didn't say anything at all.

And, decent guy who would never condone rape, who would step in and stop rape if he saw it, who understands that rape is awful and wrong and bad, when you laughed? When you were silent?

That rapist who was in the group with you, that rapist thought that you were on his side. That rapist knew that you were a rapist like him. And he felt validated, and he felt he was among his comrades.

You. The rapist's comrade.

And if that doesn't make you feel sick to your stomach, if that doesn't make you want to throw up, if that doesn't disturb you or bother you or make you feel like maybe you should at least consider not participating in that kind of humor anymore, not abiding it in your presence, not greeting it with silence...

Well, maybe you aren't as opposed to rapists as you claim.

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Note: A quick and simple rule for language and behavior if you want to be a decent person: Ask yourself, who is more likely to be made to feel comfortable around me based on whatever I'm about to say/do? Rape survivors? Or rapists? Who is more likely to be made to feel uncomfortable? If you're doing something that is more likely to make rapists feel comfortable and/or rape survivors feel uncomfortable, then don't do it!
This⬆ is basically a text version/spiritual twin of the Chinese feminist video, and I got lucky in finding the archive. It's worth a read.
PDF cited above attached.
 

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from 2009, might be outdated, more numbers:
If someone says, “I was sexually assaulted,” the first question should be, “why was a person continuing with sexual activity when zir partner did not want to?”
Fucking libfems. The whole quoted post and the research is about men, men men men men men, and even then that guy(?) feels the need to give a tongue bath to troons, the worst rapists among rapist men.
 
I got 8 women and 1 man on my feed JUST TODAY that have been victims of scrotes using grok ai to make pornography of them non consensually!

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Even the gays aren’t safe.

It’s gotten so bad that even if you’re a fully clothed women posting on Elon’s app you ain’t safe. THIS IS RAPE CULTURE!

Elon is such a effing hypocrite, complaining about liberal grooming schools and male loneliness epidemic and you enable your own ai to do this to people. And idc if someone says “but-but one or two women have done this-“ is an overall MALE issue and it ALWAYS HAS BEEN. ARRGH

Also eff “trad” republican people who post their 8 children in their xitter banner for social points to show that they are the “perfect Christian family” (I’m looking at you Benny Johnson 🌈 ) They complain about grooming and pedophiles yet they put their children in danger on a platform with porn generating grok. It’s so over. (:_(
 
Fucking libfems. The whole quoted post and the research is about men, men men men men men, and even then that guy(?) feels the need to give a tongue bath to troons, the worst rapists among rapist men.
It's like you went you of your way to find??? -- You even quoted the part where I mentioned that it might be outdated :lol:
 
they put their children in danger on a platform with porn generating grok
A girl tested if grok would unclothe a picture of her as a child and
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THIS IS RAPE CULTURE!
Another example is a father posting his child running behind a hooter’s waitress and touching her butt and the men in the comments saying that the kid is a man of culture 🤮

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