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Should be a wild four years.

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the movie even goes so far as the crew pinpointing that the rock is on a trajectory FROM Klendathu TO Earth.
well, to be honest, the Author has a baffling idea of how space works or the logistics/time constraints on such things.
If we say that this planet is about as far away as the nearest potentially habitable planet we know of, this shit would take thousands of years to have this hurled rock make it here, and if they sent it using bug tech to make it go really really really fast, it couldn't slow down in time not to hit the Earth at such speeds that it would blow up the entire planet and probably Mars too.
 

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more than mexico spends, and even with all their reserves, our standing military is almost 3x more.
To be fair, I think you should also include cartel spending and manpower in the Mexico figures. Things could get messy sure, but if we're not fighting the cartels, the war would be a foreign policy fuckup on the level of Afghanistan before it even started; which of course I would not put past us.

The thing I've always said when people bring up war with Mexico is look at Russia and Ukraine. Russia gets stuck into a big war with their neighbor and their ability to project power suffers and their allies (Iran, Armenia) start having to eat shit. Maybe it'll be worth it for them, but if you don't anticipate any downsides you're not being realistic. And sure, it's a different situation, Ukraine has the second biggest military in Europe after Russia and it's a protracted land war. Mexico, on the other hand, is a nearly failed state shot through with corruption and organized crime, and an invasion has the potential for a very long tail insurgency...hmm, does that sound familiar? I agree that defeating the Mexican army and government conventionally wouldn't be so hard, but it doesn't make sense that a weaker Mexican state should be our goal. Also, look at how we and Europe have taken the opportunity to fuck with Russia through the war. China and others will absolutely take that same opportunity. I know, the cartels are already our problem, I know, China is already fucking with us. Doesn't mean you have to get baited into Afghanistan 2: This Time We Share A Land Border (available in IMAX in select theaters).
 
well, to be honest, the Author has a baffling idea of how space works or the logistics/time constraints on such things.
If we say that this planet is about as far away as the nearest potentially habitable planet we know of, this shit would take thousands of years to have this hurled rock make it here, and if they sent it using bug tech to make it go really really really fast, it couldn't slow down in time not to hit the Earth at such speeds that it would blow up the entire planet and probably Mars too.
Yes, the space travel in starship troopers isn't accurate to reality. It was sci-fi written in 1959. It's just a quirk of the setting you gotta accept.

Hell, the whole "the bugs couldn't have done it because that's not how space travel works" argument already falls apart when we're shown the humans can also fly to Klendathu. If it was impossible time-wise for one, it would apply to both.
 
To be fair, I think you should also include cartel spending and manpower in the Mexico figures. Things could get messy sure, but if we're not fighting the cartels, the war would be a foreign policy fuckup on the level of Afghanistan before it even started; which of course I would not put past us.

The thing I've always said when people bring up war with Mexico is look at Russia and Ukraine. Russia gets stuck into a big war with their neighbor and their ability to project power suffers and their allies (Iran, Armenia) start having to eat shit. Maybe it'll be worth it for them, but if you don't anticipate any downsides you're not being realistic. And sure, it's a different situation, Ukraine has the second biggest military in Europe after Russia and it's a protracted land war. Mexico, on the other hand, is a nearly failed state shot through with corruption and organized crime, and an invasion has the potential for a very long tail insurgency...hmm, does that sound familiar? I agree that defeating the Mexican army and government conventionally wouldn't be so hard, but it doesn't make sense that a weaker Mexican state should be our goal. Also, look at how we and Europe have taken the opportunity to fuck with Russia through the war. China and others will absolutely take that same opportunity. I know, the cartels are already our problem, I know, China is already fucking with us. Doesn't mean you have to get baited into Afghanistan 2: This Time We Share A Land Border (available in IMAX in select theaters).
it's not something i can really factor in since they're very unknown, but it doesn't make that much difference. i was just pointing out that if mexico wanted to start a hot war with the US, we would crush them. the cartels also don't really have the luxury of operating underground, because they have to grow large amounts of product in sunlight, meaning that all we have to do is drop deforestation agent and carpet bomb the cartel farms and their cash dries up almost instantly. it's the kind of threat that only exists because we've been so light-handed for decades about it, they truly believe that we CAN'T figure out where the grow ops are, that we CAN'T carpet bomb them back into the stone age. the truth is, it was too unpalatable for too long. my thoughts on this are, if we ever properly go to war with mexico, we begin in the north where it makes sense, and where the government ostensibly controls, while lighting the entire southern half up with bombings and strikes.

i appreciate that people want to be concerned about casualties or whatever, but if i'm in charge, we are going completely balls to the wall, no breaks. civilian losses are a tragic but necessary requirement to fully eradicate the cartels and the infested mexican government.

it would also become american soil, and fuck any spic who disagrees. cartels start getting uppity again, we blast them with american military power since they're a known terrorist element, especially in post-annexation North America.
 
Things could get messy sure, but if we're not fighting the cartels, the war would be a foreign policy fuckup on the level of Afghanistan before it even started; which of course I would not put past us.
the Afghanis were religious extremists who had been fighting large foreign powers since the fucking 1800s

the Mexicans are rich drug lords that no one has ever fucked with before, they arent fundamentalists, no cartel is going to fight a guerilla war for 20 years from caves. You start making it impossible to make proifts without someone sending an a-10 to whatever your spending that money on and you will start seeing alot more people value hard work.
 
we did it with the japanese and were perfectly capable of putting them in camps. i don't see why we wouldn't march the mexicans to camps, and anyone who disagrees gets a triangle bayonet wound. that's right, we're bringing back triangle bayonets for troops to mount on their M7s. that's the purpose of the national guard, is it not? to guard the nation, internally?
Only in California, where there were only about 100,000 Japanese who were sufficiently isolated to wrangle efficiently. In Hawaii where they made up a third of the population they were more or less allowed to roam freely (Granted, Hawaii itself was under martial law anyway). There are proportionally way more Mexicans in the US now scattered all over the country before we even start counting 'Hispanics' in general.
well, to be honest, the Author has a baffling idea of how space works or the logistics/time constraints on such things.
If we say that this planet is about as far away as the nearest potentially habitable planet we know of, this shit would take thousands of years to have this hurled rock make it here, and if they sent it using bug tech to make it go really really really fast, it couldn't slow down in time not to hit the Earth at such speeds that it would blow up the entire planet and probably Mars too.
The whole thing runs on Hollywood logic, in the novel the bugs are an actual starfaring civilization with spaceships of their own and launch a raid on Buenos Aires. The false flag theory in the movie fits with it the idea of it being a satire but is basically headcanon because Verhoeven relied almost exclusively on aesthetics to sell it being a satire. It doesn't really show in the writing other than the Federation being retarded and throwing poorly armed meatwaves of infantry with no support at the bugs.
 
Late, but can anyone explain to me why Russia would have to sail past Spain to bring illicit cargo to North Korea?
@Mister Fister got it right

All their warm water ports are in the black sea, only way out of the black sea is straight of Gibraltar or Suez, Suez isent really any option if you have illicit cargo so you have to go by spain cause in the winter all of russias ports in the north and pacific literally freeze over
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Yes, the space travel in starship troopers isn't accurate to reality. It was sci-fi written in 1959. It's just a quirk of the setting you gotta accept.

Hell, the whole "the bugs couldn't have done it because that's not how space travel works" argument already falls apart when we're shown the humans can also fly to Klendathu. If it was impossible time-wise for one, it would apply to both.
I mean I factored in some sort of "warp drive" or FTL or w/e, but it was a damn rock, so if they used FTL on it, it would have been completely impossible to intercept and would have obliterated earth and likely caused a catastrophic physics event where a new blackhole was created on the spot the size of half our galaxy.
 
There are proportionally way more Mexicans in the US now scattered all over the country before we even start counting 'Hispanics' in general.
yup. and my plan remains. kill them. if they even so much as raise a hand in disagreement, shoot them in the head. decimate the population. make loyal hispanics do it. put the blood on their hands and force the camaraderie with white soldiers.

i am not concerned with other countries thinking my plan is evil. i am concerned with american lives being protected for now and the future.
Verhoeven relied almost exclusively on aesthetics to sell it being a satire.
verhoven's aesthetics are on point. i'd love the starship troopers uniform. the robocop police uniforms look great too. i love the idea of the future having extra armor.

I mean I factored in some sort of "warp drive" or FTL or w/e, but it was a damn rock
really, it's just because verhoven is style over substance, and heinlein wrote the book before humans were in space. it's just handwaved away in the book because neither author cared about the space travel aspect, only the satire for verhoven, and the message for heinlein.

AFAIK they never promised to fix it, they literally ran on "hugs for criminals instead of bullets"
they claimed those hugs WOULD fix it. mexicans who voted for shysterbaum got what they deserved, and will get several hundred degrees farenheit more if i have anything to say about it. i don't, but god i wish.

The only threat to cartels has been to "tell on them with their grannies"
hence my belief that they will turn out to be paper tigers against a real beast.

Mexico is what a successful libtard state looks like
correct in every way.
 
I mean I factored in some sort of "warp drive" or FTL or w/e, but it was a damn rock, so if they used FTL on it, it would have been completely impossible to intercept and would have obliterated earth and likely caused a catastrophic physics event where a new blackhole was created on the spot the size of half our galaxy.
I like the HALO world theory where humans "rip" a hole through space time for their warp but the Covenant found a way to "slip" through spacetime

Felt alot like an allegory for how man flys with loud and destructive engines while birds just flap their wings

Also IRL if you want to do that it requires a supermassive concentration of STABLE gravity, that or it starts to create matter, thats my conjecture.
 
it was also the humans who started the war. the mormons knew the world was inhabited (in the movie, this is shown in a blink and you'll miss it newspaper, because verhoven loves diegetic storytelling.) and still put down roots. they were slaughtered, which the government used as anti-bug unity propaganda, and then the bugs actually attacked earth.
The fucked up part is that the only way for the bugs to have known that Earth was the human capitol and exactly where it was was if they also brainsucked the mormons. Which also means the bugs would've known that the human government told the mormons not to come, but they don't care.

They just try to wipe us out anyway. "The bugs aren't evil" my asshole.
 
correct in every way.
Mexico is one of the best modern examples of Anarcho-Tyranny you can point to, its like the logical endpoint of how America is going in in like another 100 or so years, where criminals literally do whatever they want, and the citizens just get brutally mogged on by criminals and the Govt, endlessly squeezed harder by both.
 
i appreciate that people want to be concerned about casualties or whatever, but if i'm in charge, we are going completely balls to the wall, no breaks. civilian losses are a tragic but necessary requirement to fully eradicate the cartels and the infested mexican government.
Bro I would have dropped nukes on those spics already, Trump is barely putting his foot on the gas compared to what he could be doing. Go full Desert Storm. Let the commanders have all the options if they want them. Tear that place apart.
 
There is no way he is not complicit in the fraud if not actively involved.
What's funny about people pointing out that a diaspora like the Somali one in MN exists to cleanly deliver blocks of votes to one party in elections is that when it comes to local stuff they become their own minefield; Frey won over Omar Fateh partially because Fateh couldn't harness that political bloc from the inside since, as an actual member, he was subject to tribal divisions and had Somalis voting against him for being the wrong kind of Somalian. Honestly, I wonder how connected Frey even is, if he were actually important in delivering corrupt kickbacks you'd think they wouldn't make him eat the bean slop and humiliate him constantly.
 
Am I crazy for thinking teh shit going on in Iran feels like it's fake or being pushed by western media? I see endless retarded jews (not normal jews, i mean teh really unhinged ones) cheering it on.

Didn't this same shit happen a year or so ago as well?
 
@Mister Fister got it right

All their warm water ports are in the black sea, only way out of the black sea is straight of Gibraltar or Suez, Suez isent really any option if you have illicit cargo so you have to go by spain cause in the winter all of russias ports in the north and pacific literally freeze over
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It's also probable that the KGB, or whatever they're called now, would want to take the least sus route possible. Taking a fast freighter out of Vladivostok would be much more likely to be noticed as that's the main route for Russian cargo going to Asia but taking the long slow way around means much less scrutiny.
 
Am I crazy for thinking teh shit going on in Iran feels like it's fake or being pushed by western media? I see endless retarded jews (not normal jews, i mean teh really unhinged ones) cheering it on.

Didn't this same shit happen a year or so ago as well?
They used to pull this same shit about north korea during obama and even a little under trump term 1, news story about how their nuclear program was about to collapse or Kim was about to die (remember the same rumors about Putin)

Shit some of you might remeber around the middle of this year the headline that Tehran was almost out of water?

None of us are going to Iran to fact check this shit and even if we did who are you going to belive all the entire news media apparatus or one screaming retard?
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"Uh oh! We might have to sell out to China if we don't get a bailout set at our valuation before the crash!"
"We are going to be nationalizing the AI companies to keep them out of China's hands. It's going to be a great nationalization. A huge and beautiful nationalization"
It's also probable that the KGB, or whatever they're called now, would want to take the least sus route possible. Taking a fast freighter out of Vladivostok would be much more likely to be noticed as that's the main route for Russian cargo going to Asia but taking the long slow way around means much less scrutiny.
Might have been less sus to take the Suez canal.
 
all the the news media apparatus or one screaming retard?
genuinely if the screaming retard takes pictures i'll believe them over newsmedia every day of the week. i don't believe i'm immune to propaganda, i just require high-tier evidence for anything anyone wants me to believe that i can't personally verify.

"We are going to be nationalizing the AI companies to keep them out of China's hands. It's going to be a great nationalization. A huge and beautiful nationalization"
it's gonna be yuge. you've never seen nationalization on a scale like this before. we're gonna call it PRESIDENT TRUMP CHIP FABRICATION COMPLEX. it'll be the biggest nationalization. the best. no one nationalizes america's defenses like i do.
 
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