🗑️ Trashfire StyxHexenhammer666 / Tarl Warwick - Oddball Occultist Neckbeard (who can make some interesting content) + his many scorned exes

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It’s actually not treatable just like with NPD. It’s not like with bipolar where you can just load them up with anti-psychotics to control their erratic and often violent outbursts. Not even cognitive behavioral therapy works on these fuckers. They can have all the information and have gone through years of CBT and 9/10 still never change. NPDs remain a slave to their insatiable need for dominance and the destruction of those who love them. They don’t change. They get better at hiding it and that generally doesn’t last either.

BPDs remain a slave to their emotions and impulses. They genuinely believe that they are victims and that their suffering is unique. You can’t rationalize with them about it either. If you point out that others have faced far greater hardships in life and managed to overcome, they’ll simply respond with “yeah, but that’s them. I’m not living their life. I’m living my life.” And go on believing that they are uniquely traumatized by life somehow. Fortunately for BPDs they can and often do age out of it, but many have already destroyed their lives beyond repair by that point. Sucks to suck I guess.
Genuine question, from someone who’s interested but not properly educated: isn’t CBT uniquely bad at dealing with personality disorders? Isn’t your pessimistic prognosis perhaps colored by an overreliance on CBT?

With NPD, I get what you’re talking about — most of them just don’t want to do the work (because it would imply they’re flawed, and they have a hard time accepting that). But BPD in particular? Isn’t it called “borderline” because you’re not completely batshit gone like with NPD or ASPD? (BS and untrue)

I know there are degrees to everything, but what you’re saying goes against what I’ve gathered from other sources. I was told once that DBT was developed because CBT just couldn't adress PDs.
 
Time to ring the bell

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This one is funny, our boy Styx is delusional again. This reminds me of the time Styx made an entire youtube video demanding his sponsors contact him because he doesnt have their emails and cant find them in the twitter inbox in order to "renegotiate". Its the same delusions of grandeur. Here he is demanding the Netherlands Police twitter account DM him their email so he can report a "non emergency" (Hello police I was put into a headlock by my brother in law when fleeing your nation after threatening to beat my wife, I'd like to report him now).
One euro guy wanders into his comments and says hey, here is their website you can use the contact form theres probably a version in english. Its not even the local police. Its the police of the country. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING STYX what kind of police department do you think has a twitter officer responding to @police requests?? Obviously they have a website contact form or a phone number so stuff can get logged and sorted.
 
I'm no expert. That being said, CBT is cognitive behavioral training, DBT is dialect behavioral training. Both are derived from the same source. I believe that that AA is based on the same model.

*Therapy, but same basically, the goal of both is to calibrate you to better response, it's just pozzed AF.

Is is not psychiatry or psychology, it is a separate thing that has grown alongside them. It gets all the state funding tho.
 
In case Johnny boy sees your true colors and dumps your ass?

My true colors? I'm the whole rainbow. You get what you give and perceive.

We aren't dating; this is my friend. I've revealed my nature of nurture many times. Spoiled bitch boys will always complain about mothers who uphold boundaries and rules and use proper discipline, like the ex husband of mine who stalks me and my exes and posts screenshots of times he neglected to care for me to the point I lost my fucking mind on him. Who the fuck marries and has THREE children with a person they hate? A loser, perhaps even a LYING loser.

Ok. See you in two days don't b8 me I've got work to do.
 
I'm no expert. That being said, CBT is cognitive behavioral training, DBT is dialect behavioral training. Both are derived from the same source. I believe that that AA is based on the same model.

*Therapy, but same basically, the goal of both is to calibrate you to better response, it's just pozzed AF.

Is is not psychiatry or psychology, it is a separate thing that has grown alongside them. It gets all the state funding tho.
A friend told me that one of the reasons DBT was created was to address the inadequacy of CBT in dealing with personality disorders. She was pursuing a PhD in psychology (with a focus on CBT, nonetheless), so I assumed she was right. She may have oversimplified things for my sake, though vOv.

ChatGPT even tells me DBT was developed precisely to deal with BPD.
 
Just imagine stating you have a $50k passive income, putting next to zero effort lives streams, being almost 40 and living at home with cheap rent but not being kind enough to pay for a cleaner for a couple of hours a week to help burdened parents out who are stuck with a high functioning, alcoholic autistic.
 
It’s actually not treatable just like with NPD.
It is treatable, but not with pharma, and they have to have enough insight to know that their shit does stink.
It’s not like with bipolar where you can just load them up with anti-psychotics to control their erratic and often violent outbursts. Not even cognitive behavioral therapy works on these fuckers. They can have all the information and have gone through years of CBT
CBT is just another game. DBT works better, but they often get enmeshed with and start stalking their DBT therapists and require harsh sanctions for violating boundaries. Not for low-functioning BPDs.
BPDs remain a slave to their emotions and impulses.
True. They have amygdalas the size of fucking grapefruits.
Fortunately for BPDs they can and often do age out of it, but many have already destroyed their lives beyond repair by that point. Sucks to suck I guess.
"Aging out" of BPD often means becoming a discouraged, depressed, isolated BPD who may or may not have realized she just can't maintain relationships. Losing youthful attractiveness makes it much harder to dazzle the next poor sucker and cannibalize him. Discouraged BPDs are your cat moms, wine mavens, and bag ladies. I knew of one who squatted in people's barns with her collection of diseased and neglected animals under the pretense that she was a veterinarian.

A friend told me that one of the reasons DBT was created was to address the inadequacy of CBT in dealing with personality disorders. She was pursuing a PhD in psychology (with a focus on CBT, nonetheless), so I assumed she was right. She may have oversimplified things for my sake, though vOv.

ChatGPT even tells me DBT was developed precisely to deal with BPD.
Your friend and the AI are correct. It was developed by a BPD fo r BPDs and is very regimented. The object is to desensitize these unfortunate people to the huge tides of shame and other emotions within themselves.
 
I was told once that DBT was developed because CBT just couldn't adress PDs.
DBT was developed specifically for BPD for that reason, not PDs in general, although there have been some attempts at utilizing it for other forms of PD. It's not particularly helpful with them, but does show significant effectiveness in treating BPD specifically.

As for their other claims, what "treating" means is a relevant question in this context. DBT treats external symptoms of BPD, not the internal symptoms of emotional dysregulation, lacking a sense of identity, etc. Medication can help, to a certain extent, with emotional dysregulation, but not to the degree it does in state disorders like Bipolar or Schizoaffective Disorder. The whole idea is actually to no longer be enslaved to rapidly shifting emotions, rather than to get rid of them entirely. Whether it's effective for that also depends on the individual but, broadly speaking, it's the only PD where some form of effective treatment does exist. A Borderline patient will usually still be considered to have some sort of mental illness, often PD-NOS, even after external symptoms become too limited to fit diagnostic criteria, so they're not totally wrong. It also requires that the person recognize the need for treatment and stick to it, even though it's difficult and time-consuming. @Nig Nog Neanderthal is pretty much correct that it requires kind of densensitizing yourself and learning how to experience extreme emotions without being a total piece of shit or self-destructing. Most treatments for mental illness require a willingness to change that may or may not be present in any given person, though, and personal responsibility doesn't cease to exist just because someone's unwell.

Some more recent studies show that CBT may still be effective for some cases where DBT isn't. It varies based on the individual. Older studies, though, do tend to show CBT as being unusually ineffective.
 
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Genuine question, from someone who’s interested but not properly educated: isn’t CBT uniquely bad at dealing with personality disorders? Isn’t your pessimistic prognosis perhaps colored by an overreliance on CBT?

With NPD, I get what you’re talking about — most of them just don’t want to do the work (because it would imply they’re flawed, and they have a hard time accepting that). But BPD in particular? Isn’t it called “borderline” because you’re not completely batshit gone like with NPD or ASPD? (BS and untrue)

I know there are degrees to everything, but what you’re saying goes against what I’ve gathered from other sources. I was told once that DBT was developed because CBT just couldn't adress PDs.
DBT is reorganized CBT. I’ve watched neither have any effect on these people for a long time. But I am genuinely interested in your thoughts regarding DBT and how it differs in any significant way for those with BPD (borderline personality disorder). I sincerely want these people to get help because I see potential for it, but so far I haven’t seen much in the way of progress with talk therapy of any kind with this particular set of disorders. I’m not saying therapy is bad or useless. I think it’s better than nothing. I have not observed that it cures anything although it can help some cope with their disorder.
 
DBT is reorganized CBT. I’ve watched neither have any effect on these people for a long time. But I am genuinely interested in your thoughts regarding DBT and how it differs in any significant way for those with BPD (borderline personality disorder). I sincerely want these people to get help because I see potential for it, but so far I haven’t seen much in the way of progress with talk therapy of any kind with this particular set of disorders. I’m not saying therapy is bad or useless. I think it’s better than nothing. I have not observed that it cures anything although it can help some cope with their disorder.
It's just a hobby of mine to watch/read stuff about psychology the same way I do about politics. It's just interesting so I like to ask stuff when I see something that contradicts my knowledge (wikipedia level at best). I'm not qualified to have a real opinion. I'd much rather "diagnose" Tarl. It's just another way of saying "retard! retard! hahahaha - retard!" and anyone can do that vOv
 
Do you make six figures? I do. My literature sells well and is passive income, which is great, but the bulk comes from sponsors and chats.
>I make six figures in passive income
If this were true it's even more embarrassing when we've all seen how you dress and live. You can't even hire a cleaner to sort out your parent's dump of a house? I think it's clear where all this "income" is going and it rhymes with snooze.
 
A friend told me that one of the reasons DBT was created was to address the inadequacy of CBT in dealing with personality disorders. She was pursuing a PhD in psychology (with a focus on CBT, nonetheless), so I assumed she was right. She may have oversimplified things for my sake, though vOv.

ChatGPT even tells me DBT was developed precisely to deal with BPD.
Neither was created by anyone who knew what they were doing Dr. Beck invented it. He was a surgeon, not a psychiatrist. It's just pavlovian, it's the same thing you get with AA. DBT is a derivative, neither are the same thing that was developed 60 years ago that might have worked at the time, therapy is pozzed AF.
 
I have not observed that it cures anything although it can help some cope with their disorder.
Anybody who says they've been cured is either delusional or trying to sell you something (usually shitty ebooks and "life coaching", which is essentially unlicensed therapy). Some people attain remission, which is having 4 or fewer symptoms, but that's not the same thing.

@Leylon Sneed DBT is derived from CBT but, at least as it's supposed to be taught, has some dramatic differences. DBT is focused more on accepting and tolerating negative emotions, while CBT is more about changing unrealistic thought patterns and requires a much higher level of self-awareness than someone with BPD is likely to have, especially starting treatment. I only really have any familiarity with the former in practice, though, so I don't know much about what CBT actually looks like in reality.
 
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>I make six figures in passive income
If this were true it's even more embarrassing when we've all seen how you dress and live. You can't even hire a cleaner to sort out your parent's dump of a house? I think it's clear where all this "income" is going and it rhymes with snooze.
X to doubt on the 6 figure income AFTER taxes. Before taxes, sure, maybe. Generating wealth isn't the hard part, it's turning it into more wealth.
As everyone here knows, even with his "6 figure income", he is broke and strapped for cash, unable to even bail himself out of jail or pay his whore her monthly tithe of rent/bills/food. He's one of those people that never learned to budget or restrain his spending. The second that chequing account moves from red to black, his mind goes "Oh! I can buy junk food and booze again!" and immediately sends it back into the red.
He gets to do that, that's fine, millions upon millions of people live like that, he isn't special or unique in that behavior. He 'worked' for it, it's his money. The real self own is trying to flex on people saying 'do YOU make 6 figures a year?' it's semantic and retarded, because the reality is that people who work part time at McDonald's likely have more money in their account than him and have healthier finances.
The full retarded sentence is "I make 6 figures a year, but I am always broke". Every time he tries to tell you he makes the big boy bucks, he's hoping you don't poke at the very obvious holes in the narrative that everyone with functional eyes in their skulls have seen.
He fled back to America because he couldn't conform to social norms, like say....not threatening his wife and kid, and a big meanie put him in a headlock.
He could have got himself a nice little place in literally anywhere with the money he was making, instead, he chose to go home to mommy (I am willing to bet he chafes under dad's sarcastic remarks. I know a mama's boy when I see one.)
He inflicts his high needs lifestyle on his parents, while contributing little to the household, if anything. (a 6 figure income even after taxes could have fixed up that hovel he lives in by now).
He inflicts his choice of women on his parents; as we've seen here, his women are all mentally unstable, abusive, histrionic psychopaths. He fixates the most on Sam because he sees her chaotic illness as 'fun, and real', it keeps him on his toes. Every sane person that has ever encountered a BPD person in meltdown mode knows to just vacate the area. As the video of his arrest showed, his dad hates Sam and never wants to encounter her again. A feeling echoed by most people who have tangled with Sam. Even as the breadwinner of the house, Tarl isn't allowed to do what he really wants to which fuels:
ADDICTION! Tarl has a few overlapping addictions: attention, weed, alcohol, other drugs. We've seen it all a billion times, another retard circling the drain, Tarl is happy to stay broke if it means minimizing experiencing the world sober.

So the TL DR is when he says "I make 6 figures a year", the full sentence is "I make 6 figures a year and have nothing to show for it"
It's a warning to others, not a flex.

But hey, that Temu pirate getup is a nice consolation prize.
 
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