Canada is a failed state

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DiscoRodeo said:
The real problem is when people stop voting as the American collective or the Canadian collective, and start trying to get their own. Thats fundamentally one of the reasons why I have a problem with most Indians in Canada. They dont care about the collective North American future, they support weaker immigration quotas, and they also support the destruction of housing and labour regulations. They wind up voting eventually, and its dangerous for democracy, unironically.
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Democracy only works in a homogeneous society.
 
Canada dies in 2026, from some pig MP crossing to give Commie Carney the majority, to USMCA destroyed for the frog dairy cartel to inflation to infinity more immigrants with the new chain migration citizenship bill C-3. Goodbye faggot Canada.

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HotPistachioLatte said:
Libtard medical industry retardation
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Nothing makes me want to fedpost harder than the utter insanity our political class preaches when it comes to doctors and nurses. There's an easy to way to overcome our shortage, simply increase the number of seats for prospective students and give them appropriate residencies. Won't happen though because the medical unions have too much sway and obviously we can just import our way to success to avoid upsetting the local nursing Karen with mentorship duties.

Used to once care but no longer: you buck break nurses and doctors both and casually tell them they will be working for the wage of the average engineer and if they don't like it they're free to switch industries - god knows enough capable (white) kids are rejected from their programs already who actually care about the work they do and are forced to pursue their degrees elsewhere as a result.
 
Scale Smerch said:
Nothing makes me want to fedpost harder than the utter insanity our political class preaches when it comes to doctors and nurses. There's an easy to way to overcome our shortage, simply increase the number of seats for prospective students and give them appropriate residencies. Won't happen though because the medical unions have too much sway and obviously we can just import our way to success to avoid upsetting the local nursing Karen with mentorship duties.

Used to once care but no longer: you buck break nurses and doctors both and casually tell them they will be working for the wage of the average engineer and if they don't like it they're free to switch industries - god knows enough capable (white) kids are rejected from their programs already who actually care about the work they do and are forced to pursue their degrees elsewhere as a result.
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We also sell our med school spots to the Saudis who train here and then return to work on Rich gulf Shiekhs
 
Scale Smerch said:
Nothing makes me want to fedpost harder than the utter insanity our political class preaches when it comes to doctors and nurses. There's an easy to way to overcome our shortage, simply increase the number of seats for prospective students and give them appropriate residencies. Won't happen though because the medical unions have too much sway and obviously we can just import our way to success to avoid upsetting the local nursing Karen with mentorship duties.
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Agree, absolutely infuriating, because I actually do not have any issue with socialized healthcare in principle and the plan is so obviously to continue pushing the whole system to the brink so they can throw their hands up and move to either privatizing it or using it as some morbid government run organ harvesting business.
Won't happen though because the medical unions have too much sway and obviously we can just import our way to success to avoid upsetting the local nursing Karen with mentorship duties.
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Is that the reason why they don't do that? The unions are worried their salaries will go down if the labour supply increases?

The medical system is scary. In the last couple of years I've had two family members come down with pancreatic cancer. One got an a waiting list for chemo and died painfully and slow; the other went rogue from her doctor's advice and took horse deworming medicine and amazingly has recovered. I guess while there is some research for this medicine demonstrating positive effects for cancer it hasn't gotten much attention because the profitability is low. Nothing short of medicine Hitler can fix the abomination that is the modern health care system.
 
paddy_wagon said:
Is that the reason why they don't do that? The unions are worried their salaries will go down if the labour supply increases?
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It's one of the reasons. Provinces have control over the number of medical/nursing seats for schools so there's a dual incentive for provincial governments to restrict intake for budgetary reasons and for the related unions to do the same in order to maximize salaries as their members are technically public employees. Increasing intake and normalizing salaries won't solve our problems, but it will be a good first step.

Another thing we can do too is making new programs that guarantee prospective doctors/nurses spots, but require them to work their entire career - i.e. 20+ years - in rural communities (e.g. through a specialized license). Such spots already exist, but they usually only mandate ~5 years rural work and no surprise the candidates quickly run back to cities after doing so.

Lobster Cult High Priest said:
We also sell our med school spots to the Saudis who train here and then return to work on Rich gulf Shiekhs
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Hilariously enough we don't do this that much. For MDs spots for international students are heavily restricted with ~5% max of annual cohorts being international. Hell medical schools are also restrictive for out of province students, at least from what I remember. It's one of the few things our system gets right IMO.
 
For healthcare its a bit complicated as with all things.

Its also dependent upon the amount of money you put into the system and the amount that you want to put into the system.

For Ontario, Id say that one of the key divergence points was the covid-19 pandemic (as with most things in Canada) and the provincial conservatives.

Before people freak, I want to say that its one of the key divergence points, not the only one.

For Ontario, the Doug Ford government may no pretences against the fact that it wanted to cut back on socialized healthcare prior to the pandemic. In the months leading up to it, they denied pay raises to reflect inflation, there were issues with hiring freezes with nurses, they cut back on funding towards healthcare overall-

which increased the burden on current nursing (most affected) and doctors afterwards.

This is sort of "okay" under normal circumstances, but then you had the covid-19 pandemic, and it was just very, very unlucky timing.

So you had a lot of nurses basically just saying, fuck it, retiring early, getting burnt out, etc. You also had a ton of medical students during this time being fast tracked into working in hospitals, temp workers (cousin was one) entering into the hospitals to help out, etc. Then add in that many temp workers (theyre pretty much all in nursing) also go to retirement homes (since multiple jobs, right), and you get the picture.

Overburdened healthcare system, getting further overburdened.

The other half of this is that Unions also work in conjunction with the conservatives, in particular for doctors who want to keep the profession more "elite".

This is sort of okay, sort of not. It would be okay if they were doing this to keep the standard up, and if we continued to have a declining population. Even for Ford's approach for healthcare, the cynic in me saw it as him wanting to further privatize healthcare and push people away from the socialized approach into private insurance and clinics,

but even for this approach, if you have a declining population overall- sure, you can afford to have less doctors and less nurses. I think the numbers were off, and that we were pushing out nurses too fast compared to our population, but whatever.

What you cannot have, however, is an increasing population, with declining health-care workers. Its one of the additional retarded things that Canada did.

"We need more Tim Hortons workers, quick, open the flood gates, let 9 million Jeets in"

>okay, but we already have a doctors shortage

"Let another million Indians in!!!"

And thats where you wind up with wait times over a year+ for cancer screenings.

The solutions so far, or lack of solutions, are- as someone pointed out, fast track more medical students; but whats the problem here?

Noone Canadian actually is going into university anymore, or simply not enough people are anyways. Its all pretty much foreign students going to university here. Chinese students studying to be doctors, Qatari students, Saudi students, Indian students. I dont want to stereotype like Vivek, and we are in no way lazier, but theres so many cards stacked against us, period.

Chinese students literally study from 7:00am to 10:00pm at night, theyre like ant people. Saudi students pay for the best tutors and stress free living experiences. Medical schools are super expensive, and most bursaries are going out to foreign students. We also have limited spots, and most of the universities wanted that sweet, sweet foreign capital (where they can massively upcharge for a spot). This winds up with us having some Canadian doctors, maybe some Indians stay because they dont want to go to the US,

but most Chinese, most Arabs (the students, if you look at Toronto graduating classes, this is the demographic you see now), they leave.

If you look at the Canadian doctors, before covid we had a brain drain problem with the US as well. As I highlighted earlier, you need to also add in the fact that throughout the pandemic and period leading up to it, we basically cut back on healthcare wage increases, etc.

So imagine this;

youre graduating with a medical degree, the healthcare system is collapsing, your wages arent going up, theres fewer and fewer doctors being trained, let alone nurses, you have massive student debt, theres not 9 million+ Indians being added to the system (oh before I forget in the rant, also if someone asks you have to euthanize perfectly healthy people or fast track them into troonery or you lose your license),

everything is fucked, society is collapsing, your hometown (let alone Toronto or other major city) no longer looks Canadian anymore, all the people you grew up with moved on or away if they could afford it

and then Uncle Sam and the US offers you a higher waged job south of the border where there are complicated things sure (economies not that grand either), but compared to Canada things are much better off, much more ordered, and you have insane QoL benefits.

You do the math here, our healthcare system is entirely fucked and its only going to get worse as the years go on due to that unaddressed competency crisis.

Im not saying that everything is completely horrible and there are heroic stories. Unironically, for immigrants, the Filipinas are pretty good nurses and doing well in the healthcare system (and retirement). Saying that, they often work around the clock, in multiple nursing homes as well, etc.

But its like, this is what a collapsed healthcare system looks like, and I dont see much of a solution for it other than private healthcare at this point (within Canada, or more likely in the US- both of which need insurance), or taking horse dewormer like someone's family did.

Stay healthy, eat healthy, and pray that you dont get some disease basically.
 
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A 44-year-old Canadian native from Edmonton, Prashant Saar Streekumaar, died in the emergency department at Grey Nuns Hospital after waiting more than eight hours to see a doctor despite complaining of severe chest pain.

His family says he repeatedly told hospital staff he couldn’t bear the pain, but he was kept in the waiting room with minimal treatment and ultimately suffered a fatal cardiac arrest before he was seen.
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I think my favourite Canadian would be Ken Iverson, the creator of APL. Amusingly, he grew up on a farm in Canada, but did most of his important work in an American university and at IBM after they refused to promote him. APL is what's known as an array language, where everything conceptually happens all at once sometimes, rather than element-at-a-time processing. Here's an APL program that generates an array with the first ten elements, starting from zero or one based on the value of the Index Origin variable, ⎕IO, and I'll start it from one:
Code: 
 ⍳10
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
This program adds five to each element in that array, effectively making it start five elements later:
Code: 
 5+⍳10
6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
This program then takes that array, and sums up all its elements into a single value:
Code: 
 +/5+⍳10
105
To get a look at the intermediate steps instead, this program works:
Code: 
 +\5+⍳10
6 13 21 30 40 51 63 76 90 105
 
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