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It's fucking annoying when fujos try to justify their consumption of yaoi with some SJW bullshit of "protecting gay men's rights", "fighting against fetishization" or whatever. They try to put jorking it over anime boys as some moral thing and it's really fucking weird to me. Most of them try to disguise as gay men to get their point across but it just seems very desperate to me. I wish these people would grow some and stop being afraid of being cancelled so much. :roll: anyway I love mpreg yaoi
 
Jayviks behaving badly, Round Infinitum: a user named Nemoentropy who's so disabled she can't clean the mould from her room, loves bragging about how Jayvik outnumbers Meljay 20:1.
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Yes, wow. They'd rather have that character be a pedophile than be in a relationship with a black woman. In any case, Nemo there has EDS and begged for Venmo money back in July to get a new AC because her mould situation puts JKR to shame.
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She needs housekeeping because she's too disabled to lift up a finger and clean, yet spends every waking moment praising her genocide yaoi. If you can spend all day typing on Twitter, you can clean. Buy a scrub daddy with those begging bux instead of writing about how black women do poorly in fandom ships.

But that hasn't stopped her from sounding like a Klansman. True to form, this white queer uses her disability as much as she can for pity points. That won't change they fact you live in a room filled with black mould YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO CLEAN.

So follow along and wheeze with this proshipper who spends hours typing up tweet essays on how black women do poorly in fandom when she could spend it cleaning her AC instead.
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"Touch grass" - well you can't, because you live in a filthy house.
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Oh it gets better. This white, disabled mould queen decided to make a slave catcher joke to black shippers.
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Babe, I use "nigger" on a daily basis and I can tell you that's racist. I'm open with my racism. You're a progshit hiding yours.
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She's infamous for this. That's on top of saying queer history is pedophilic, which is a real mask off moment.
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Figured I might repost these classics:
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"It's worse than you think" hmmm I wonder why white fujos who infamously dislike blacks in their yaoi don't like a heterosexual, black-Hispanic ship.
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That is the screenshot Nemo is using. It led to Jayviks acting very, very smug:
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Can't forget Agent Orange up there who doesn't like the smell of nignogs, let alone blacks in her yaoi. I #WelcomeAsianHate for that one.

Ru_b_is right there had a mental breakdown upon discovering that her posts and those of Jayviks ended up here. You're a male-centric Brazilian with a craving for white cock. NONE of your ships have darker skinned men.
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A03 ship stats had only three blacks, and six Hispanics, all of them light skinned. Fujos hate blacks and don't even read actual black gay content. Why is it a surprise the white male led ship dominates?

"Maybe they should write more fic!" And won't read it, Chink bitch.
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Nemo is wheezing because of her dirty ass house and the need for a black housekeeper thrumming in her veins.

Same Chink as above:
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Fact check: true

"DIRE"
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But some fought back.
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K'Sante also has only 100 fics. Fujos do not like blacks.
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Strongandindp, a Russian Youtuber who goes by the exact same name and pfp on Twitter, wanted Bylers - the most popular ship right now thanks to Stranger Things' final season - to teach Jayviks to be more aggressive as Jayviks are in their "Stockholm Syndrome" phase.
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Related:
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Similar to Jayvik, Bylers love cucking Eleven, too:
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A white Cuban pulls a masterclass in "Ow, the Edge":
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"You pester companies!" Says the fandom that has pestered a company to make their ship canon for an ENTIRE YEAR.
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My response to that:
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A valid quote:
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Take heed, Nemo.

You might have heard of "Heated Rivalry", the hockey yaoi that's the It thing in the shipping sphere this year. It just got renewed for a second season. It is yet another white-centric yaoi that cucks two women - one black, one white. White dudes rock.
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Meanwhile, lesbian shows get cancelled.
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Most of the top gay shows had white men in them.
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This black honey watched all of them. She wants that swirl.
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You've heard of Confederate Jayviks. How about slavery yaoi?
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Top/bottom discourse:
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And who started that trend, I wonder?
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In which OP finds out that fujos are not, in fact, pro gay:
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I agree with this take:
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anyway I love mpreg yaoi
Right, who is siring the butt baby?
 
"Why do they always write the bottom as submissive and feminine?!??!" Because they're straight girls who project on that one and they're writing it as how they would imagine being treated in such a situation.

Fujoshit discourse is so retarded because they lie about what their motivations are and pretend to make arguments about it. Flinging proggie style shit at each other over what is quite literally just wank material.

This stuff is basically just weird women's (schlick)fiction. It has nothing to do with IRL "queers". And I still hold the somewhat unpopular opinion that many of them obsess over it because it's a way to project and romanticize without comparing themselves with an ideal feminine. A similar situation to why a lot of main characters in trashy romance tend to be such bland doormats. If the main was actually charismatic and super hot it just reminds them they'd never be like her. You'd think it would be easy to just imagine otherwise, it's fantasy right? But NLOG-ery is a helluva drug, I guess. I think it's the same idea behind pooners who want to be "femboys".
 
The feminine bottom/"heteronormative" whatever discourse is so retarded. Why are people trying to moralize fictional gay porn? Why does it matter so much how people like their drawn asian fags? I'm doubling down on liking ultra feminine bottoms just out of spite. I may be a retard but at least I'm not pretending to be this subversive fujo just for le twitter SJW points.

Right, who is siring the butt baby?

Always the smaller one. 8)
 
There's yet another Brazilian vs Black yaoi race war. This time it's over GDT liking a Jayvik- themed Frankenstein fanart. Brazilian users who participated in an e-lynch campaign are happy their token evil black enemy is getting their lashings. Ru_b_ia, who provides much of the content here, is overjoyed that black fans are getting humbled. This is the same user who wanted her Latino fave getting called racial slurs to "own" her ethnic rivals.
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I can't imagine why such obsession and paranoia exists when the official Youtooz account had Mel getting run over to promote their Jayvik doll. Ru_b_ia is now a shoulder of sorts for these people to cry on, bemoaning their treatment while simultaneously bragging about how huge their ship is.

Take, for example, fellow Brazilian gabu_moon, who participated in said e-lynch mob back in July-August. "All tongues that rise against Jayvik shall fall."
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Hmm, wonder what this Brazilian bitch did to make those Negras mad at her - oh.
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Here was the original tweet. Shippers are now defending Roman Polanski now.
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"I mean that's objectively bad to free a pedophile but I'm sure he didn't know what he was signing" 🆗
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"They're not actually father and son it's a homoerotic metaphor and wasn't written by a woman grieving the death of her child let me center white men instead"

The EDS slave catcher, Nemoentropy, who is WHEEZING in black mould she can't clean from POTS, spends a lot of time sparring with black women. She might be laughing at black ships doing poorly, but she finds more joy in flexing over black people in general.
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Can't be talking like that, white girl.
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OOF
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She also defended Angela Vondra, that invader Zim porn artist who faked her death and homelessness. It was big in the discourse thread here as many big discourse accounts promoted the lie.
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None of that was true. She's very much alive, healthy, and drawing porn where her alters talk to aliens.

She talks a big game when disability is concerned, but has no love for the blacks she shits on.
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She gets panic attacks from her hereditary heart conditions. She starts calming down when she can wield the rhetorical whip against darkies.
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She wrote a huge thread on how relatable Viktor is to her, including making up things the character never said. Disabled people aren't unworthy of affection - you just argue it was better he, a white man, was picked because you empathize more with same-race characters.
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She then praises the end speech while complaining it reduces people to their illness.
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Guess saying stupid shit is okay when it's your fave ship doing it 🙄
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It gets even better. White girl huffed too much mould and got rowdy:
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More race wars:
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Ma'am, you are also white and want a housekeeper cleaning after your broke ass.
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Jayviks playing the victim:
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She's right, though. He wasn't disabled at the end.
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Nemo's theme song:

She might actually be from Texas so this makes it funnier.

Another fandom called The Pitt also has a mediocre white ship called Hucklerobbie. Best part is they took out the black female love interest.
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I'm sensing a trend here and it's white dudes' cocks rock, even if you look like you suffer from an iodine deficiency and are seconds away from developing a goiter.

Fujoshit discourse is so retarded because they lie about what their motivations are and pretend to make arguments about it. Flinging proggie style shit at each other over what is quite literally just wank material.
The race wars are my favorite. It's the one time progshit whites have to peek over the hierarchy of privilege. It reminds me of this interaction:
Always the smaller one
Yeah, that fits.
 
Yeah, and? Fujos love playing number games when most of the fanfic for their ship is out of character porn slop. It's like bragging about owning a huge pile of shit.
I can confirm that there are at least 800 fics that are readable, and that's of every persuasion and gender identity. There are some cute ones, excellently juicy ones, and tear jerkers. The rest are forgettable.

That said, every time Nemo and the rest want to cough up that stat of Meljay 'only' being 250 fics - Melvika, a lesbian ship between Mel and Sevika, only has 533 fics. So much for celebrating a lesbian ship instead; they don't even follow their own advice in creating content for a ship they want to see. They just hate any character darker than a brown paper bag. The one fujo I saw admit this got jumped, but at least she was honest. The second point is that the number of Underage - read: pedophilic - fics are the same amount:
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They might have accumulated another 10k fics from January, but they are not the top M/M ship anymore. Byler from Stranger Things is the current top dog and we can include the hockey yaoi as a new player - no pun intended - to the game. I've noticed that many fans have moved on to Dispatch that has bisexual/gay characters in it. I'd also add that K'sante is a canonical gay black man in League of Legends. There are only 106 fics of him and Yone.

Another official gay couple are Olrox and Mizrak from Castlevania: Nocturne. Guess how many fics they have:
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Olrox is a Mesoamerican/Aztec/Mexica man, straight black hair and all. Not a drop of white blood in him. Mizrak, IIRC, is Maltese, but is considered a 'brown' man. That is how much attention they get. Mizrak is not that much darker than Jayce is, yet he is paid dirt.

I figured I'd add this screenshot from 4chan of all places, back when the Arcane threads were huge and new ones were created every three hours - yes, that's how big the hype was. Most of them are all gone now as people seethe (rightfully) over how bad it was.
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One must wonder what he's smoking, because 'gay' media, intentional are not, is almost always more popular with men than women. Look at 'Heated Rivalry' and how fast that got renewed compared to lesbian shows. Homosociality and male centrism pays off. I don't know where he got the idea that fujos and queers are a 'small minority' in fandom; they are in fact the majority depending on the fandom you are discussing. Arcane, for example, is a female-led show, yet you would never know based on how male-centric the fandom is. Alien Stage is another: the main show is about lesbians, but you know what everyone focuses on? Ivan/Till, the same-sex male pairing. Dudes rock - specially white dudes, because for all that shit about how white men are evil, it's them that they fantasize about the most.

Even in Asian BL spheres, how many swarthy Asians do you see? There are Indonesian and Vietnamese BLs, but guess at the racial makeup of them.
 
Cosmopolitan published an article about the appeal of Heated Rivalry:

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Did the Tomarry lady from a few pages back get interviewed by them? 😭

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There are so many tv shows that depict male characters struggling with control and being vulnerable, I don’t think that it can be found exclusively with shows like this and heartstopper which they are insinuating.

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It irks me that these kinds of women choose to have their “trauma healing journey” through an effing show about gay fictional hockey players and not through therapy or a typical hetero show that has female characters that deal with the same trauma they do.

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Fair I guess

Here’s the article in text form. I highlighted the stuff that annoys me:

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a69733298/why-women-love-heated-rivalry/

“I haven’t felt this alive since I was a One Direction fangirl in middle school,” my roommate told me over drinks last week. She was talking, of course, about the only thing literally anyone wants to talk about right now: the Horny Gay Hockey Show also known as Heated Rivalry.

It could not be less of a secret that the steamy Canadian series has taken over everything from TikTok to the minds, hearts, and fantasies of seemingly every woman alive since making its way to HBO Maxlate last month. But while the sexy streaming hit—an adaptation of the 2019 romance novelby Rachel Reid—certainly isn’t the first to dominate the discourse and attract a loyal and horny fanbase, something about the whirlwind, overnight fanfare surrounding Heated Rivalry just feels…different.

From TikTok to group chats to brunch tables and beyond, Heated Rivalry fans—many of them straight women—are gushing over the show with a frenetic enthusiasm that makes you wonder if it’s laced with something other than hot gay sex. When I put a call out on my Instagram Story last week in search of viewers who’d be willing to chat for this article, the immediate response from fans flocking to my inbox declaring they’d take any excuse to talk about their new obsession was so overwhelming to my sensitive introvert’s system I ended up removing the app from my homescreen and fully avoiding it for two days. (If you reached out, thank you and sorry if I didn’t get back to you—it’s not you, it’s me.)

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So what is it about this gay romance between two closeted male hockey players that seems to have every woman and her mother reaching uncharted levels of feral, frothing-at-the-mouth horniness?

For one thing, “Heated Rivalry thrives on suspense, longing, and the verboten,” Zachary Zane, Grindr’s sex and relationships expert, tells Cosmopolitan. These themes are common fixtures of the romance genre for a reason and tend to be arousing regardless of the gender or sexual identities of either the characters or the audience. “The enemies-to-lovers trope is a classic one that many people find appealing,” says Zane, adding that turning anger or competition into lust “can be, simply put, really hot” to people of all genders and orientations.

Watching sex between two men is a welcome reprieve from the internalized pressure, anxiety, and even trauma many women have come to associate with sex.

Still, while the show’s sex appeal may be less about gay or straight than the simple principle of hot is hot, sex therapist Casey Tanner, a sex expert for LELO, says there are some specific reasons the gay male dynamic at the heart of Heated Rivalry may be so attractive to women—especially those of us who have sex with men.

“For many straight women, the pull of Heated Rivalry is getting to watch men do something they crave more of in real life: be wildly, visibly vulnerable,” Tanner tells Cosmopolitan. “The chemistry between Shane and Ilya isn’t subtle—they pine, they spiral, they rearrange their lives around each other.” Thanks to gender norms that promote a rigid, emotionally avoidant and restrained version of straight masculinity as the societal “ideal,” the level of emotional intensity playing out on screen between Shane and Ilya is both foreign and therefore alluring—something many women aren’t used to seeing from a male love interest and may wish for more of in their own relationships.

This level of passion and yearning between two straight-presenting jocks “disrupts a lot of what we’ve been taught about masculinity,” says Thea Wayne, host of the Seggs Talk Radio podcast. Wayne suspects that women’s collective love of Heated Rivalry reflects “a growing desire to see male vulnerability and intimacy”—both in general and perhaps, for some of the show’s female fans, in their own love lives.

Then, of course, there’s the gay sex itself. Specifically, the arguably somewhat depressing reality that for many women used to both onscreen depictions and lived realities of sex that objectifies, degrades, and/or represses female sexuality while centering male pleasure, watching sex between two men is a welcome reprieve from the internalized pressure, anxiety, and even trauma many of us have to come to associate with sex.

Women being turned on by gay sex that has nothing to do with us might seem counterintuitive, but the fact that it has nothing to do with us may be precisely the appeal.

“Two men together means two people who are both culturally allowed to want—to take and receive pleasure without hesitation,” says Tanner. “That can be incredibly compelling to watch, especially for women who are used to porn framed around one person’s pleasure and the other’s objectification.”

Essentially, while the idea of women being turned on by gay male sex that has nothing to do with us might seem counterintuitive, the fact that it has nothing to do with us may actually be precisely what makes it so appealing. In eliminating our own role in sex with men, gay sex allows straight women to enjoy the male sexuality we’re attracted to without all the fraught societal implications and triggers that tend to come with it.

“When women enjoy gay porn or erotica, it is often less about the specific gender configuration and more about the absence of certain pressures.” says Tanner. “Gay smut is a way to enjoy raw desire without stepping into the role of ‘performer’ or ‘object.’”

Basically, it takes the pressure off—and that alone can make it significantly easier for women to tap into arousal and desire.

Tanner adds that this trend of women responding to gay smut reflects broader insights from LELO’s recent Desire Survey, which finds that women are “claiming desire as something that can be curious, contradictory, and context-dependent,” she explains. “Even when content is framed as ‘for’ gay men or queer audiences, women are clearly finding their way to it and staying there—not because they’re confused, but because those stories give them access to a kind of intensity, tenderness, and emotional risk they don’t always see in straight media.”

Of course, none of this means that every woman who’s found herself full-on feral for Heated Rivalrylikes it because she secretly wants more from the men in her life or is exhausted by the pressures of performing for the male gaze under patriarchy. There are many reasons to love this Horny Gay Hockey Show. Below, 10 real women reveal theirs. (Although, to be fair, you may find many of these responses more or less reflect what the experts have explained above.)



10 Real Women on Why They Can’t Get Enough of Heated Rivalry

  • “I feel like gay media hits women like me so hard because it depicts a relationship where all parties involved are treated equally. Women in heterosexual relationships are so used to being devalued by their partner, and their sexual pleasure isn’t always prioritized. It’s just nice to watch smut where nobody is being degraded or devalued and the pleasure of both parties is the top priority.” —Annie, 21
  • “Besides all the classic elements that make this story enticing, I think seeing men be intimate, romantic, and vulnerable with other men just reminds us that they’re human.” —Niki, 24
  • “At a time when women’s sexuality, identities, and bodies are policed and surveilled to the utmost extreme, Heated Rivalry provides what we all yearn for: meaningful, exhilarating intimacy full of tenderness and desire. This show is hot and women are drawn to it because we finally see what we crave—sexy, messy, filthy, and complex love.” —Sarah, 25
  • “What I find hot about the show is the vulnerability and chemistry between the main characters. The sex scenes are intimate in a way that makes consent visible through the characters’ actions and body language, something rarely depicted in mainstream media.” —Alyssa, 26
  • “I think men, especially in media, are always shown as the aloof, in-control ones, and it’s really attractive to see them depicted as vulnerable and down bad for a change. I also think there is just something about rivals-to-lovers that is inherently really hot.” —Victoria, 27
  • “I love the way the show is shot. The darker lighting ramps up the yearning and makes everything feel moody and sensual. We get a lot without it being too much or too in your face. This show just makes you want to blush, giggle, and kick your damn feet. And honestly, women just don’t get to see men open up like this.” —Amanda, 37
  • “I think the show has a lot of appeal because it’s unconventional. We see typical guy/girl relationships, even girl/girl relationships, being normalized elsewhere in media. Guy/guy is fresh, it’s exciting, and we’re not used to it. I think people just want to see exciting relationships, with less emphasis on traditional gender norms.” —Lillian, 28
  • “Lesbians love it because it’s full of yearning and romance but also action! Also, I watched with friends and we all knew instinctively that the show had to have a lesbian cinematographer because of how sexy and romantic the camera work is. We looked it up, and there are indeed lesbians behind the camera!” —Audrey, 26
  • “The only thing better than having a boyfriend is having two boyfriends who are also boyfriends. Heated Rivalry has only exaggerated that fantasy for women,” —Alaska, 26
  • “In a way, Shane and Ilya both appeal to women’s desire for a more idealized man. They’re handsome, they invest in their physical fitness, they’re successful. They’re also sensitive and vulnerable. In order to confront their feelings for each other, they’re forced to confront the constructs of masculinity (and realize how confining they are) in a way straight men don’t have to. Seeing that onscreen fulfills some sort of dream for women who want more emotional depth and maturity from the men in their lives.” —Phoebe, 22

I hate this because it’s like they’re saying a lesbian show targeted towards male audiences is somehow empowering to lesbians and “curing” men of the toxic experiences they had with women…but in reverse.

It puts on a fantasy of a gay relationship for the female gaze that has nothing to do with actual gay men and their lives. And yet it’s depicted as “revolutionary” and “uplifting queer voices” and all that bs. But so many of the gay shows are written by women authors who say that it’s for “queer people” yet what they really target is their own sexuality and women with some strand of bisexuality. And fag hag lesbians. Gay men don’t even touch stuff like it so it’s not revolutionary , it’s stereotypical and ordinary.

And maybe the show is good and has a good romance but still the emphasis on it being ‘not like other romances’ is repetitive.
 
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I can confirm that there are at least 800 fics that are readable, and that's of every persuasion and gender identity. There are some cute ones, excellently juicy ones, and tear jerkers. The rest are forgettable.
To be fair, that's a universal experience with fics. I can't even say fujos are the only ones to make it a dick measuring contest for having the most ship content, but they sure are annoying about it.

It irks me that these kinds of women choose to have their “trauma healing journey” through an effing show about gay fictional hockey players and not through therapy or a typical hetero show that has female characters that deal with the same trauma they do.
But don't you know all female characters are badly written and don't have the complexity of male characters? What I want to know from this show is how many of the female characters are unnecessarily bitchy and get in the way of the two men being together.
 
There are so many tv shows that depict male characters struggling with control and being vulnerable, I don’t think that it can be found exclusively with shows like this and heartstopper which they are insinuating.

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This is fujo cope because they say this shit IN EVERY medium that centers males. They are male- centric women. Of note is that not a single one of these women mention Moonlight, a film about two gay black men. They like their "emotionally deep" men white, and hockey is overwhelmingly white. Here's Alaska, editor of Paper Magazine, posing with her two boyfriends:
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Ma'am, they'd rather fuck each other and not you because fucking that pussy must feel like playing a xylophone:
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You like your yaoi girls with Zac Efron chins? There's your girl. Make gay men reconsider with a chin that can tank Francis Ngannou.

Her original tweet:
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"As a gay man I approve"
"You're a Jew"
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Jayvik regular Ma262 showed up:
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Other responses were calling it out, as these takes are all over the place in yaoi fandom. That YouTube video on the history of yaoi was filled with it.
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"They're making us look bad"
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They're fujoshing out over two hot white men and trying to spin it as feminism. "Oh we like seeing men emotionally vulnerable" but with OTHER MEN. They don't see women as being equal or worthy of love.

Look at the reaction to this tweet. "Lesbians" obsessed with cock and nothing but cock:
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Proving the OP's point:
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"Let people enjoy things!" And it's women obsessed with white men who wouldn't spare a single glance at them fucking each other instead.
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A classic male-centric lesbian who loves reading and watching white men fuck. Sounds like you're actually straight, babe. Your entire feed doesn't feature a single woman.
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Same Gold Star Lesbian:
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It irks me that these kinds of women choose to have their “trauma healing journey” through an effing show about gay fictional hockey players and not through therapy or a typical hetero show that has female characters that deal with the same trauma they do.
It has nothing to do with feelings or anything. It's just them being coy about the fact they're deranged goonettes. That's all it's ever been.

Also, aloof and stoic men are rarely seen in a positive light. They're either cast as villains, shown to be repressed and bothered by it, or are just the typical cucks. This idea that it's partly because they like seeing "vulnerable" male characters and it's shown properly in fag shit is retarded and a cope.

(It's also an admission the only time they're interested is in media where they can ship them. It's not just that they're "male centered" generally. They have a obsession with this shit specifically.)
 
It's fucking annoying when fujos try to justify their consumption of yaoi with some SJW bullshit of "protecting gay men's rights", "fighting against fetishization" or whatever. They try to put jorking it over anime boys as some moral thing and it's really fucking weird to me. Most of them try to disguise as gay men to get their point across but it just seems very desperate to me. I wish these people would grow some and stop being afraid of being cancelled so much. :roll: anyway I love mpreg yaoi
Just found this thread but this is one reason I get annoyed by fujos and an argument I actual herd. "We promote gay ships (yaoi specifically) because there isn't a lot of gay rep in media". No, they don't. Even in shows where there's a decent amount of gay rep, they still focus on the straight boys and insist that they be in a gay relationship. It has nothing to do with "lack of rep" but them justifying their fetish by wanting the ship to be canon.
 
No no no. it’s all perfectly innocent.
You see I am demisexual fat woman and this hentai manga about a questionably aged gay couple having copious amounts of abusive, eye watering anal sex is actually a healing mechanism allowing me to experience a level of emotional maturity real men simply cannot provide.

Also, as a slavish consumer of lowest common denominator, thirst bait, soft core slop I demand they deal with serious issues such as race and feminism.


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As a side story I know a girl, now a serious artist, who drew yaoi all through her 20's to make a living. She did pleasant, painterly, Alphonse Mucha inspired pictures and I still see her art shared around bsky.
After a decade of living that shit, no one is more blackpilled then her.

She once told me that the reason these people consume so much porn is because they wouldn't know how to feel about love or sex (or anything for that matter) unless they read about it first. The reason this subculture attracts fat, lonely, middle age women is that these are some of the most developmentally stunted people on the planet who need pornography to have easy redemptive sufferings because real redemption is a thing they know nothing about.

If normal people can look at a postcard of a sunset, or a picture of a pin-up girl and recognize it for the cheap thrill that it is, these creatures see all art as nothing but a reflection of themselves. Hence the fan fiction crap, hence the strange ownership of other people's work, hence how vacuous it all is.
 
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But don't you know all female characters are badly written and don't have the complexity of male characters?
This shtick irks me to no end. Jane Austen and her entire body of work does exist. Its out there, for free, and they could read it, but I imagine they'd make up some excuses instead of admitting that it's too dense for them. In the same breath, there's Ripley from Alien, Uma Thurman from Kill Bill, Elizabeth Swan from the Pirates franchise, etc.
If we are taking a fanfiction specific lenses, then the Fujos are right (sort of), but that is primarily because fanfiction authors are either incompetent, writing a self insert, or both. Beyond those exceptions however, fujos just won't admit that its their own gross fetish.
As an aside, I wonder how the average man would feel about both the straight and yaoi love interests in these fics...........
 
This shtick irks me to no end. Jane Austen and her entire body of work does exist. Its out there, for free, and they could read it, but I imagine they'd make up some excuses instead of admitting that it's too dense for them. In the same breath, there's Ripley from Alien, Uma Thurman from Kill Bill, Elizabeth Swan from the Pirates franchise, etc.
If we are taking a fanfiction specific lenses, then the Fujos are right (sort of), but that is primarily because fanfiction authors are either incompetent, writing a self insert, or both. Beyond those exceptions however, fujos just won't admit that its their own gross fetish.
As an aside, I wonder how the average man would feel about both the straight and yaoi love interests in these fics...........
People in fandom think being a minor/background character or even side character is what equals being written poorly. It's why you hear these criticisms lobbed at a lot of popular shounen they liked making goon content from. Because shounen is aimed at boy's tastes and therefor many of the main characters are boys doing main character things. It's really just another obvious excuse but also yet again another admission they do not like media that's more for women or focuses more on them as main characters. The actual complaint from some is that female characters aren't the focus in the majority of media though they try to make it sound less self-serving, fujos just repeat the same because they think it makes it sound less retarded that they're obsessed with the male characters for their schlick fantasies.
 
I have to agree with everyone saying that yaoi is leading an increasingly higher proportion of teenage girls and young women to coom brainrot and in extreme cases, pooning out after getting social contagion dysphoria from their fandom friend groups.

The worst examples of yaoi fans I’ve seen were all post-COVID female troons who didn’t go back outside to touch grass, and now unironically view rape cuntboy domestic abuse omegaverse as tame because they now consume vore and feederism erotica that radiate internet-induced autism. I grew up reading blowfly girl and still never thought I’d see a 21-year old woman proudly post “its” fetish fic where a woman climbs into a dinosaur’s mouth to masturbate, let alone advertise that her fanworks are all a schizophrenic array of extreme niche fetish content. Some older fujocoomers enable this by being their fandom aunts/“brothers” by 1) saying vore and feederism are extremely tame and “practically vanilla,” or 2) never say anything because they’ve made fandom and fanworks as a pillar of their mental health. They never turn away anyone, or any work featuring their OTP because they just want more and more and more content. I’ve been in a discord server where the owner made multiple channels to contain beastiality and shota/loli so “other members don’t have to see it,” so those internet black holes continue to draw more sickos into them and fester. Inevitably, those people aren’t limiting themselves to just one server - they join other ones and start lowballing the nsfw channels with their least corrosive works. I wonder if that one “it” woman has shown her fanart of a kitten getting fingered to her new fandom friend circle yet to keep the contagion going. It was jarring to see such a high concentration of female extreme paraphiliacs in one place.

I still like BL, but on average less so than I like GL, HL, and zero-romance works. Getting back into touching grass and reading long books feels great. Yaoi is total junk food for the brain, and it’s wild and scary seeing so many women become cognitive deathfats over poorly written cookie cutter cutouts.
 
A sticker react isn't enough, I have to say that's absolutely vile. But depressingly not surprising. The first time I was introduced to "guro" and stuff like that was on Tumblr through fandom blogs run by girls like that. Which is why I also find it funny when I saw someone say it was guys making stuff like that. A shit load of the fujo types are the ones into stuff like that.

It's also darkly hilarious that someone going vore is vanilla uwu are almost certainly turbo virgins.
 
A sticker react isn't enough, I have to say that's absolutely vile. But depressingly not surprising. The first time I was introduced to "guro" and stuff like that was on Tumblr through fandom blogs run by girls like that. Which is why I also find it funny when I saw someone say it was guys making stuff like that. A shit load of the fujo types are the ones into stuff like that.

It's also darkly hilarious that someone going vore is vanilla uwu are almost certainly turbo virgins.
None of these broads have ever had sex with real men (or women, in the case of the "lesbians"). Similiar to how TiFs make terrible pseduomen due to their notorious habit of having either zero interaction with men and/or nonexistent understanding of any normal male (or, hell, masculine) social behavior, fujoshis write gay sex like someone who's never actually had sex. Footlong+ dongs, unbearably stretched out assholes (or vaginas), eyebleeding orgasm faces, and absolutely shite anatomy. Anyone who's ever had a penis inside of them knows this is some straight bs (ex. A lot of [gay/straight] porn stars are drugged to oblivion in order to not scream in unimaginable pain & fake moan for the magnum schlong hits, but even with all the lube in the world, they can still get horrible injuries to their rectum, vaginas, and destroyed sphincters). All porn artists who make things involving cock (so, most porn artists) do this but is especially funny knowing that behind the screen (& pronouns, paraphilias, and mental illness) is a grown woman too scared of actual men/too deep in the NLOGs to actually have sex (but still itching for some [white] cock). For all my talk on writing what you don't know being equal to writing what you do (in terms of importance), there are some things you have to experience to actually write them well. Drawing, too. If you've never been kissed, let alone fucked, how can you actually portray proper intimacy? Sidenote: there's nothing wrong with virginity, but it's always hilarious seeing them write/draw violent sex fantasies because it's always from either seeing it in porn or from their fellow critically-online, gooner, yaoislop peddlers.

Now for my soapbox:
It's (in my belief) why so many young men & women have such weird interactions with the opposite sex. Not only is the "everything cool is queer! you are boring if your straight and monogamous! it's perfectly normal to have extreme fetishes like trannies/scat/inflation/loli etc. in your late teens to early 20s!" crowd a big issue, but a lack of elder/community foresight is becoming ever-present. Nobody takes advice from anybody over 40 who's actually in a stable relationship because most don't even want to talk to people their own age. We're more and more isolated, the news pushes more and more doom n' gloom for our ever-dying attention spans, and consumerism makes us feel like we don't need other people to truly function well (the rise of people being proud of being antisocial, unproductive, unlikable NEETs). We all contribute somewhat to this, but I feel like online spaces showcases the worst of this. People get lost in these fantasy realms & struggle with the dopamine drop of normal, real-life pleasures. What started off (for fandom) as a way for people all over the world to connect & discuss their favorite shows/tropes/media, has devolved into the next "new thing" to consume & discard. Now, hordes of slopfiends puruse through:

A) starting unnecessary, time-consuming fights over dumb shit like shipping (which is supposed to be just a small part of any media, if there at all)
B) promote/produce ugly/gross/annoying porn everywhere & go on schizophrenic rants on censorship, purity culture, and queer representation on anyone who says they don't want to create/don't care to interact with that
C) harass companies & private artists into capitualating to their psychotic wants

It's no longer just a fun pasttime. These people live, breathe, and die for this shit, essentially abandoning their personhood for nothing. Or, at least their younger years. Like, some of them are pretty decent to actually good artists--yet, this all they make? It's just sad.

(they also groom kids by exposing them to garbage like the above & taking media mostly meant for them & warping it into trash, but that is more of a broad internet fandom issue than yaoi)

Tldr: It really is that damn phone. Go outside.
 
It's also darkly hilarious that someone going vore is vanilla uwu are almost certainly turbo virgins.
Surprisingly enough, the one who said that is not a turbo virgin, courtesy of various childhood sexual abuses and also her minimum wage autistic-tourettes-adhd-etc husband who finances her life and gets called a gay little femboy for it. I think in her case, she's genuinely witnessed and experienced so much degeneracy IRL that most everything else is just deranged words and pixels on screens to her. She does still fit @Taxes profiling of a mega shut-in though, so she skims fandom spaces because she can't go outside often with her 39281 un/diagnosed conditions. Funnily enough and unfortunately for her, she keeps meeting terrible men via her husband's friends and has piped down on her #notAllMen 'he's just little guy, he's a funky scrunkly birthday boy' schtick after one of them took the cake on a whopping domestic abuser/sexual assaulter/general sex pest/liar/alcoholic/psychopath/thief/opportunistic rapist/chronically underemployed/rich kid failson/cult leader wannabe combo.

In my experience, the older fujos of now are mostly non-virgin handmaidens, enablers, and cheerleaders with slightly more unique problems (compared to the young virgin ones) that keep them emotionally arrested: BPD or other severe mental unwellness, having a kid at a young age, having a shit job so they use it as a crutch, etc. But all those reasons mess up a lot of people in any sphere of life, theirs just manifested as hardcore fujoism because they already liked fandom and BL.
 
It's also darkly hilarious that someone going vore is vanilla uwu are almost certainly turbo virgins

None of these broads have ever had sex with real men (or women, in the case of the "lesbians").
It’s either they’re turbo virgin neets or a friend group ‘polycule’ that includes a token toxic gay man, 1 troon, 2 fat queers that always talk about gay sex , 1 skinny short pasty goth poon, and a normal presenting nerd that leaves the group before it heads south. Then a few months in, the group disbands because the troon that was a cis guy starts transitioning and advancing on the lesbians, the toxic gay man spreads word around, and the group takes sides.



“Mom found the yaoi”
it’s not the original but the animated version is cute, anyways, girl that appears to be a high schooler crashes out because her mom was cleaning her room and found her hidden stash. She then is breaking down but…what do you expect girl? Since you said yaoi and yuri that you’ve hidden I assume that it’s all just gay porn and not the typical wholesome stuff. If I found that I would throw it out too because I don’t want my child’s brain to rot and have porn addiction down the line. Based mom!
 
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