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Kalsarikännit said:
The only answer is because urbanists just like some things and hate others, and we should create laws and act according to their feelings.
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That's probably right, they hate parking lots in downtown areas so they advocate that land value should be a flat tax without taxing improvements (buildings) on the land. But that would only drive the most profit-driven uses for land. So no mixed-use unless it's profitable, apartments must be priced as high as possible, and so on. The problem is that this basically creates dead zones that get landbanked and can never be used for anything or by anyone unless they're super-rich, or gets bounced around in auction.

Kalsarikännit said:
Note how all the existing lines are mostly a parabola or, well, line shape. What he created was a multi branched root system, the scale of which has no precedent in DC. It’s just complete fantasy.
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Despite drawing not one, but two lines, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that "maybe he means that the split teal line is 'alternative 1' and 'alternative 2' like real plans are", but no, he wants all of them. So instead of "just one (more) line (bro)" it's actually closer to 5.

I would assume that the Washington METRO users actually like their system (even now, it's probably nicer than New York's subway) and that it is just the "Orange Line" instead of the "H Line" (or whatever), and by "H Line" they mean "H Line with the circle around it, not the triangle because the triangle means you skip half the stops and end up in Stabbytown and only a fool would mistake the H Line Express for the H Line", plus the whole thing was a compromise for freeways. Pretty sure that @quaawaa pointed out once that the system was always designed for commuters and (to a lesser extent) tourists, not the rest of the city, which is rather crummy even by big city standards.

The teal line is basically a completely redundant version of the blue line east of the Beltway (on the west side it's a redundant version of the orange line) but instead of going to anywhere useful, goes straight into the ghetto. Due to the usual arrogance of the urbanists I doubt that he'd even accept being told that such a line is not exactly to be a game-changer.
 
Kyria the Great said:
I associate Urbanism with Leftist loons because of people like these. Even if they can make some valid points, they package it with so much complete nonsense I don't care what they want.
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What makes urbanism a nonstarter for me is their zero sum mindset where cars and drivers have to lose or be inconvenienced in some way in order to have 'better' public transit. Then you throw in the intersectional nonsense and I'm happy to oppose them out of sheer NIMBY spite.
 
Gurney Halleck said:
What makes urbanism a nonstarter for me is their zero sum mindset where cars and drivers have to lose or be inconvenienced in some way in order to have 'better' public transit. Then you throw in the intersectional nonsense and I'm happy to oppose them out of sheer NIMBY spite.
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Yeah, absolutely on point. If they would have a realistic way to make the value proposition for public transportation to compete with cars, then they might be able to actually get public support.
 
Gurney Halleck said:
What makes urbanism a nonstarter for me is their zero sum mindset where cars and drivers have to lose or be inconvenienced in some way in order to have 'better' public transit. Then you throw in the intersectional nonsense and I'm happy to oppose them out of sheer NIMBY spite.
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Indeed. I see that often when there discussions about expanding the metro systems in Berlin, for example. There were talks about a test line with the new Transportsystem Bögel maglev metro, which would have been an elevated line. Of course, maglev is a no-go because people still have the Transrapid disaster in their mind, but people also hated the idea of new elevated railways literally because it wouldn't take away space from cars. They want trams with dedicated lanes because of that, even though trams don't fulfill the same purpose as a heavy rail line. It doesn't matter that an elevated railway might also reduce car traffic, as long as it doesn't explicitly take away car space they don't want it. They always claim it's about having options, but they don't want one of those options to be cars.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Euros are just generally kinda stupid tbh.
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I used to (as an increasingly political teenager) wonder why we didn't just copy all of Europe's policies because they're so enlightened and obviously have everything figured out. Learning they die by the tens of thousands every Summer because they don't have air conditioning and, what's worse, they're actually smug about this completely preventable situation made me realize they're actually retards with little brother syndrome.

The second realization was a lot of the nice things about Europe were only nice because they didn't have niggers yet.
 
AFAIK, European statistics have a loose definition of a "heatwave death." It is enough that the heat was a contributing factor. Meanwhile in USA, heatstroke has to be the cause of death to be recorded as a death caused by hot weather.
 
Bong rage video, pretty based guy tho


Funnily enough the netherlands actually has a law like he suggests. It's illegal for a cyclist to use the road when there's a cycle path and you can get fined for it. Sadly if you accidentally hit a cyclist, no matter how much the cyclist is in the wrong, you're the one getting fucked. My brother once had a woman on a fatbike crash into HIM and yet he had to pay the fees because he was legally in the wrong despite the fucking woman crashing INTO HIS DOOR WHILE HE WAS STATIONARY. Though it also depends on how much the cyclist pushes, I have had 2 collisions with slow moving cars and didn't push for legal action on either because I felt it'd be a faggot thing to do as i didn't break any limbs nor required any medical attention afterwards.
 
Kyria the Great said:
I associate Urbanism with Leftist loons because of people like these. Even if they can make some valid points, they package it with so much complete nonsense I don't care what they want.
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It also sucks because it has basically invaded anything that remotely talks about bicycles or trains. I'll sometimes have a random mood to watch a video about either and then get insta-disappointed when 90% of the videos are just talking about them in relation to cars. Like there was this one video about velomobiles where the guy was trying to use one to go "car free", it's like nigga you don't need to stop using your car altogether to find velomobiles neat.
 
FPTMIU said:
It also sucks because it has basically invaded anything that remotely talks about bicycles or trains. I'll sometimes have a random mood to watch a video about either and then get insta-disappointed when 90% of the videos are just talking about them in relation to cars. Like there was this one video about velomobiles where the guy was trying to use one to go "car free", it's like nigga you don't need to stop using your car altogether to find velomobiles neat.
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I actually like trains as machines as their production history really fascinates me as I never see any of these people talking about trains in the matter of a foamer. It honestly feels like they hate cars more than they like transit which is never a good position to be in.
 
Kyria the Great said:
I actually like trains as machines as their production history really fascinates me as I never see any of these people talking about trains in the matter of a foamer. It honestly feels like they hate cars more than they like transit which is never a good position to be in.
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I like trains on paper both as a way to transport people across distances and that they're pretty comfy when they're well maintained from the inside and outside, but they tend to suck due to timetables, speed and price. Ideally they should have a new train every few minutes like a metro to have any ability to compete with cars without intentionally sabotaging them through legal means and faggot road design. Though even then, cities with great metro systems like Moscow tend to still be heavily congested with car traffic, but at least those that ride the metro do it because they actually think it's a good service (At least, that's why my friends from there say ).
 
FPTMIU said:
Making urbanism partisan has been the worst choice in the history of politics
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Some of their points about infrastructure and urban planning do make sense, but they have to shoehorn gay race communism into it all. And anything that involves gay race communism is doomed to fail and spiral into a crime ridden shithole.
 
Can't wait for /r/fuckcars to decide that they hate Kei cars now:
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ToroidalBoat said:
Dunno if this vid was already posted in the last 763 pages, but some guy says he doesn't wanna go back to the USA for a number of reasons. No mention seems to be made of the endless waves of military-aged men from underdeveloped nations flooding in, nor a possibility of getting arrested for making "offensive" posts online though. And he's in UK.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=M1QvVnjiegEHow I View the US After 13 Years Living in Europe

- Evan Edinger


(thread tax emphasis by me)
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Update on this guy. He turns out to have been addicted to gas station drugs for the past five years:

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Imagine taking advice on which countries are better to live in from a literal drug addict.
 
quaawaa said:
Can't wait for /r/fuckcars to decide that they hate Kei cars now:
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Oh SHIT this might be cool, I love any tiny and cutesy vehicle. Hope that the "small" in question is at least the size of a lupo or twingo.
Baraka Obama said:
  • a child drawing on it with crayon (how would you even get this off brick?
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Truly the sign of a niggerfied society when vandalism is so common that it's part of the decision making process of building materials.
Bitchy Babylonian Barber said:
Oh I mean of course they don't. They're visual aestheticists at their core. All Urbanist philosophy, ideology, all the '15-minutes of walking' bullshit is visually pleasing. Not visually pleasing in the same way a painting or an actually good house looks (though they will toot their fucking horns to fellate old European houses) What I mean is it looks good in simulations, both actual proper ones made by real urban planners and gamey ones like Cities Skylines, or SimCity. Where everyone has the same needs, the same wants, everyone's just a bunch of 1's and 0's, and so long as you can string a poop chute to every house, you win. It's why they're bug-men in my opinion. They're not so much about the outwards aesthetics as they are efficency-maxxing everything to an absurd degree.
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I disagree with it being exclusively about being visually pleasing. A 15 minute city at least in concept should not be a bughive any more than a city is by default. If you're going to force me and a bunch of people to live in dense clusters, I'd at least want to be able to get everything I need quickly by my own feet. My main issue is that urbanists want to do this while completely fucking over anyone in the suburbs and rural areas who drive. I think there are good ways to balance it, but most of these people just hate cars more than they give a shit about making cities good.
 
Ravier Xavenblood said:
Some of their points about infrastructure and urban planning do make sense
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The issue is that it's easy to point out something's flaws but exponentially more difficult to propose a workable solution. Urbanists will occasionally succeed in the first point and then will always immediately faceplant through a plate glass window when it comes to the second.
 
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