There was a lot of physicality in the Tiger Valley matches if you can find video of it, Karl once suggested getting inspiration from it to a lesser degree but it seems that went out the window in exchange for more a traditional CASS-like gallery shoot with some shuffling and kettlebells from what can be seen today.
I vaguely remember that but I recall that they didn't do too well, mid pack.
The funniest thing about it is that he uses "gamer guns" a fuck ton. Yes, people use roland specials, but not with 33 round stick mags in a holster. The WWSD rifle is a gamer gun through and through. The jp silent capture buffer is from the quintessential gamer rifle company. Using your lowers with flared magwells in a retro division is the most rules lawyering thing you can do, just like his white light shoot. He is what he claims to detest.
Didn't he take that from the Soldier of Fortune Magazine and their Hard As Hell articles?
The difference is that JP actually makes good competition guns and not PSA junk on a plastic lower.
Three gun competitions can be traced back to the shooting competitions Soldier of Fortune had during their conventions back in the 80s and they also reported on some two gun comps in the early 80s where everyone used M-14s and M1911s except for the weirdos who were using HK91s and Hi-Powers. Karl would never admit this because it'd mean he read SoF, which is problematic.
I think people were fucking up their shoulders by throwing it single handed, it was back when Ian was still involved so quite a while ago.
They used to allow you to throw the kettlebell in any way you wanted and so some guys would do a one handed torso twist cross body throw. Which was fast and effective, but some guy tore a rotator cuff doing it. That was when they required the two handed between the legs throw and increased the weight of the kettlebell.
People were either throwing it one armed and messing up their shoulders or using their back to build momentum instead of their hips and fucking up their back in the process. Karl has added more rules in regards to it, so if you throw with more or dangerous technique you can get DQ'ed.
Which is kinda wild since a 64lb kettlebell isn't that heavy.
Yeah but people doing it on the clock or when fatigued is when injuries happened. Will refrain from PLing too much but I used to compete in 3-gun a lot and have done a lot of stage design and RO duty. An obstacle or prop that is easily manageable without time pressure or fatigue can become dangerous when people start rushing.
Fair.
I have no source at hand but my own autism and being a former fan, but I'm ninety-nine percent sure he's cited them as the originators at least once, in an old Q&A. If I recall correctly, he highlighted dropping the shotgun, since their battlefield role had largely been supplanted by SMGs, then by carbines in the intervening decades. He also mentioned trying to keep most of the physicality in it while trying to appease the range's insurance company, which tracks, given that I think they used to be more physically demanding, before he went full retard.
its double funny when you remember that way back years ago he used to shit on CASS (which he used to compete in) for being to gamified. he wanted 2GACM to be "realistic"
Might be correct, I remember something very similar.
I think it's hilarious the Karl designed a big crown jewel Brutality match in such a way that he could, with a lever action rifle from the 19th century, not only complete the courses but also place well overall. Still don't know whether to take that as a testament to his skill as a competitor or a damnation of the course design.