The India Menace - Street shitting, unsanitary practices, scams, Hindu extremism & other things

[Mister Fister]

Tragically it has historically shown itself to be a bit of a slow boil. Total Pajeet Death could have happened yesterday and it wouldn't have been fast enough.

I mean when it actually breaks. Still going from model minority to sub nigger in less than one year and dropping fast is unprecedented.

 

[mold]

Is it possible that systems similar to the Izzat system emerge wherever enlightenment values are suppressed?

no, and there are extensive translation of classical texts wherein you can check this for yourself. izzat shares elements of human nature that are much more prominent in premodern societies with those societies certainly, but Cicero for example could not have had his career if ancient Rome had been izzatastic. The patricians opposed to him did not feel their own status was harmed by his existence. that's one of the primary distinguishing features of izzat from cultures where the elite are proud and don't care if they step on the lower orders, the sense that you are harmed by the rise of another.

Izzat is also not face, I know less about pre-revolutionary China but the irrational collectivity element is missing in China imo.

 

[liam dees]

Honestly, Izzat and Face are very similar, but the biggest difference is how they react to such dishonor.

Chinese city is polluted -> Massive shame from west -> Massive cleanup effort followed by propaganda campaign -> City is slightly cleaner and people have better air

Indian city is polluted -> Massive shame from west -> AI generated Homer Simpson pornography insulting white people -> City is still polluted shithole.

Indian honor culture is much less constructive.

Hm. Ruminating on this matter as a Chinese, here are my thoughts.

The difference between Face (sometimes) and Izzat is that there are Chinese who do acknowledge the problems people see with their lying eyes. Once enough people acknowledge the issue there is a chance for reform or a solution (even if it is a band-aid) towards the problem. Of course I don't know how effective that is in China in our contemporary era as I don't live there.

But I do know Face is often weaponized on a personal level to push people into becoming overacheivers, which leads to impostor syndrome and all sorts of mental health issues. This is especially prevalent in the clusterfuck that is China, but where I live in Singapore it manifests as the concept of "kiasu" (being afraid to lose) where material wealth or higher qualification is equated to higher worth in an individual, except even when that value system was at its peak the Chinese in my country were actually encouraged to participate in the education system and make a good worker out of themselves. Today "kiasu" is less prevalent in our society due to the government shifting its media strategy, and kiasu is seen as a relic of the 80s and 90s.

But yeah I'd take my race's Face over India's Izzat. Holy shit, I never thought race politics could get this bad.

 

[DickMain]

I mean when it actually breaks. Still going from model minority to sub nigger in less than one year and dropping fast is unprecedented.

I hope someday that this globohomo we are the world kumbaya gay ass hand holding shit comes to an end with the most incompetent nations breaking the dam and kicking off WWIII. India, Somalia, and Haiti form the new Axis Super Powers 2030 or something retarded and the US gets an excuse to wipe them off the map. Too many backwards shithole turd worlds kept afloat by the countries worth keeping that must be thrown off like ballast. It's so tiring that nobody is allowed to fail and fade away in gay current year.

 

[kim foxx]

There’s a book I read a while back called While Europe Slept, about the situation with muslim immigrants in Western Europe. The author made a really good point that so many people think of culture as being just the superficial stuff like food and holidays and table manners, and assume that beyond that, everyone kind of thinks and feels the same way about life.

They have no fucking idea how a honor/shame or machismo culture works, how a culture of mass illiteracy and theft/scamming works, or a culture that practices FGM and child marriages actually works. They just vote and volunteer to import those people here.

I think for older Americans the overhang comes from the idea that the rest of the world are just temporarily embarrassed Americans who can't wait to come over here to wave the flag and drink Starbucks with all the other educated and liberal people. There was a brief window in time where their numbers were small enough and the immigrants themselves were ashamed of where they were coming from where they made a best attempt to fit in. For example, in the 90s I worked at Northrop where we had an Indian lady project manager who only cooked American food for her kids and refused to let them speak anything else other than English. That's the "success story" that the current elites were desperately trying to replicate generation after generation despite it being a miserable failure after the country already pumped out and emptied the top 1%.

 

[mold]

But yeah I'd take my race's Face over India's Izzat. Holy shit, I never thought race politics could get this bad.

there's a reason there's no jeet LKY

 

[tahans]

Very interesting. So what would be the best way to humiliate somebody under Izzat?

• Disgust - (@Indian streetfood, eating cown dung etc.)
• Shame - (ie: 3" is too small, you shit in the street)
• Demoralization - (India will never be a super power, You will never be white.)
• Disbelief/Pretend Ignorance- (ie: "Yeah, I don't believe you about tech / politics thing. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?" / Kitbooga),
• "turn the other cheek / go the extra mile" - (ie: "(Indian) Boss, you told me to hire exlusively H1B visas from India, so I made sure to get hard working Christians and Muslims who will actually do the job instead of Hindoos with fraudulent diplomas." )

I'm sure there's plenty of other ways, but what is most effective against IRL Indians I would encounter?

They all seem effective but for the last one "turn the other cheek / go the extra mile". There's high risk in that it gives them opportunity to turn it around on you, since they could accuse you of racism, take it to HR, and try to get you fired, all of which would improve their Izzat if successful.
In this way I think Izzat is distinct from "saving face", since it's also about getting one over on other people, rather than just keeping up an appearance.

 

[Popper Whiting]

You're racist if you don't let Indians scam and commit fraud

https://www.noticer.news/new-zealand-indian-truck-drivers-fraudulent-licences/

 

[liam dees]

there's a reason there's no jeet LKY

I used to think LKY was pompous and just propped up as "The Great Man of Singapore" because he was Prime Minister and kept himself at that position for way longer than I thought he should've. I even thought of him as a dictator.

But learning about the world around me today and how it was in the past I now truly have respect for him more than anyone else governing Singapore. I wonder how he would've reacted to Trump's tariffs. Perhaps he would have pushed for more collaboration with America, Australia and the West in general to help them with their situation whilst bolstering our position in geopolitics.

That's just my daydream, though. I'll leave you all with a fun fact, the most recent riot we had in Singapore was in 2013 and was led by Indians. Hm...

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Hm. Ruminating on this matter as a Chinese, here are my thoughts.

The difference between Face (sometimes) and Izzat is that there are Chinese who do acknowledge the problems people see with their lying eyes. Once enough people acknowledge the issue there is a chance for reform or a solution (even if it is a band-aid) towards the problem. Of course I don't know how effective that is in China in our contemporary era as I don't live there.

But I do know Face is often weaponized on a personal level to push people into becoming overacheivers, which leads to impostor syndrome and all sorts of mental health issues. This is especially prevalent in the clusterfuck that is China, but where I live in Singapore it manifests as the concept of "kiasu" (being afraid to lose) where material wealth or higher qualification is equated to higher worth in an individual, except even when that value system was at its peak the Chinese in my country were actually encouraged to participate in the education system and make a good worker out of themselves. Today "kiasu" is less prevalent in our society due to the government shifting its media strategy, and kiasu is seen as a relic of the 80s and 90s.

But yeah I'd take my race's Face over India's Izzat. Holy shit, I never thought race politics could get this bad.

Yeah, basically the whole Sinosphere (China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Vietnam. Don't know enough re: Mongolia EDIT: apparently Mongolia isn't Sinosphere) is like this to varying degrees. Japan is probably the mildest with face. But it's definitely still there. The most conspicuous example internationally in recent history would probably be TEPCO's handling of Fukushima as it unfolded.

 

[1999 prick]

Now, a counterargument an Indian might make is 'Izzat is a dated word' or 'We don't use that word.

I wanna say that there is truth to that “counterargument “.
Because having worked in a fully jeeted hospital for 2 years, read a book on jeet pharmaceuticals, watching videos, seeing jeet hate posts.
Basically a jeet hatred that cannot be quenched.
I have never ever heard of the word at all.

 

[Jose Beaner Luna]

Gotta love how almost every culture and race has this version of "honor" but Jeets and muslims still manage to have the most retarded, backwards and obnoxious system out of all of them, i feel less bad and even grateful that my group of people is still not on that level of stupid and evil.

 

[Fcret]

Josh quoted the Izzat wall on X and it broke containment. Now all of India knows we're here.

 

[mold]

I used to think LKY was pompous and just propped up as "The Great Man of Singapore" because he was Prime Minister and kept himself at that position for way longer than I thought he should've. I even thought of him as a dictator.

I think he's the greatest statesman of the twentieth century I wish him and Trump could form populist anticommie voltron

 

[1999 prick]

Josh quoted the Izzat wall on X and it broke containment. Now all of India knows we're here.

They are gonna start making accounts and shitting up the thread.

 

[Fcret]

They are gonna start making accounts and shitting up the thread.

Dear Leader better get his anti-CP golem up and running soon, because no one has more CP on their hard drives than Indians.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

Josh quoted the Izzat wall on X and it broke containment. Now all of India knows we're here.

Worry not, we have our own Izzat system! We can simply place mean stickers on all Indian posts. Negative sticker = -1 Izzat. Poo sticker = -100 Izzat.

Checkmate India. That's a bonus 20,000 Izzat for me and my family.

 

[Toxic BRAAAAP Mask]

x is not happening
ok x is happening but it's not bad
ok x might be bad but it won't affect you
ok x is happening but it's actually good for you​

Looking at it now, this feels like a Western form of lesser liberal media Izzat but without the raping.

 

[Star Classic]

Snip

It all makes so much sense now. The death threats, the defending to the death. The never ending barrage of hate without acknowledging the problem. All in favor of an non-existent honor, some alien concept. Truly the most vile and spiritually evil people to walk this earth.

Did you ever find the greentext?

 

[Mister Fister]

Hm. Ruminating on this matter as a Chinese, here are my thoughts.

The difference between Face (sometimes) and Izzat is that there are Chinese who do acknowledge the problems people see with their lying eyes. Once enough people acknowledge the issue there is a chance for reform or a solution (even if it is a band-aid) towards the problem. Of course I don't know how effective that is in China in our contemporary era as I don't live there.

But I do know Face is often weaponized on a personal level to push people into becoming overacheivers, which leads to impostor syndrome and all sorts of mental health issues. This is especially prevalent in the clusterfuck that is China, but where I live in Singapore it manifests as the concept of "kiasu" (being afraid to lose) where material wealth or higher qualification is equated to higher worth in an individual, except even when that value system was at its peak the Chinese in my country were actually encouraged to participate in the education system and make a good worker out of themselves. Today "kiasu" is less prevalent in our society due to the government shifting its media strategy, and kiasu is seen as a relic of the 80s and 90s.

But yeah I'd take my race's Face over India's Izzat. Holy shit, I never thought race politics could get this bad.

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I will say this, the issues for Chinese in the West come from the CCP for the most part. Not really inherent to East Asians in general. With Indians, it's inherent to the ethnicity, TPD.