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I’m on the fence with some diagnoses like that. Yeah, it definitely pathologizes normal behavior and growing pains. Definitely leaves a stigma, too.
There's a huge problem with people nowadays that they need excessive labeling of things, which leads to over-diagnosing and over-treating.

People treat their labels like cuddly blankets to wrap themselves in, rather than a name of something that is only a small part of their complete person. They want the label to fit themselves into, not grow themselves around it.
 
Aspies might technically be a thing but if they're able to grow up and be functioning, just quirky or a bit awkward then what is the point of a diagnosis? It just pathologizes something that can easily be handled by a slightly different approach to rearing.

Yeah when I say "pop psychology is cancer" that's pretty much what I mean. Pill-pushing retards and victimhood-fetishizing responsibility-avoiders playing off each other. At this point the DSM is like 5% neurological conditions and 95% moral failings

(it just occurred to me that if somebody trained an AI off my Kiwi Farms posting history, it'd probably be basically this post interspersed with a cat story :left:)
 
Aspies might technically be a thing but if they're able to grow up and be functioning, just quirky or a bit awkward then what is the point of a diagnosis? It just pathologizes something that can easily be handled by a slightly different approach to rearing. Which, even with completely normal kids you will have to change approaches for each individual anyway.
People should treat diagnoses like autism as a list of things to be mindful/careful of, as opposed to a blanket excuse for not being mindful of any of it.

You have Aspergers or "low support needs" autism? Be mindful of your volume and speech topics in social situations. Remember that not everyone will share your interests, but that doesn't mean they are less of a person than you are. Look for facial and body language cues that your behavior may be making others uncomfortable. Accept that other people's perspectives are just as real to them as yours is to you. Make sure that you are being empathetic towards friends and partners, even if their reactions don't make sense to you. Learn techniques that prevent you from having meltdowns and tantrums if you get too overstimulated or don't get your way. Take the initiative yourself to find ways to cope with situations that might be uncomfortable or unpleasant for you, or learn the best ways to politely avoid those situations.

Do not look at any of those things and say "well I can't help it because these things don't come innately to me, so you shouldn't expect me to do any of those things."
 
People should treat diagnoses like autism as a list of things to be mindful/careful of, as opposed to a blanket excuse for not being mindful of any of it.

You have Aspergers or "low support needs" autism? Be mindful of your volume and speech topics in social situations. Remember that not everyone will share your interests, but that doesn't mean they are less of a person than you are. Look for facial and body language cues that your behavior may be making others uncomfortable. Accept that other people's perspectives are just as real to them as yours is to you. Make sure that you are being empathetic towards friends and partners, even if their reactions don't make sense to you. Learn techniques that prevent you from having meltdowns and tantrums if you get too overstimulated or don't get your way. Take the initiative yourself to find ways to cope with situations that might be uncomfortable or unpleasant for you, or learn the best ways to politely avoid those situations.

Do not look at any of those things and say "well I can't help it because these things don't come innately to me, so you shouldn't expect me to do any of those things."
My entire point is that those sorts of things are stuff everyone has to be taught anyway. Yeah the minute details of facial expression and what not are probably picked up through natural trial and error easier if your a completely normal specimen and such but anyone with good manners and social graces is usually taught that by their parents and other good mentors. As for things like if you get overstimulated? Well, a lot of complete normies need to decompress and take breaks for things and have ways to deal with stress. Aspies issues with such may be a bit exaggerated (trait wise) but the biggest lie we've told awkward people is their problems are completely alien and special when they're not. They just need a bit more attention to paid to teaching them this stuff, that's all.

A lot that goes into social graces and politeness is working off a script, not natural charisma. I feel like a lot of the narrative around aspies is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If anything, they're such overly sensitive compared to the average person rather than less capable in a developmental sense.
 
At this point the DSM is like 5% neurological conditions and 95% moral failings
From the book "Cracked: Why psychiatry is doing more harm than good".

The first thing Spitzer did to reform the DSM was to assemble a team of fifteen psychiatrists to help him write the new manual. This team was called the DSM Taskforce, and Spitzer was its outright leader. So in the mid-1970s the Taskforce set about writing a kind of New Testament for psychiatry: a book that aspired to improve the uniformity and reliability of psychiatric diagnosis in the wake of all its previous failings. If this sounds all very intrepid, well, that’s pretty much what it was. Spitzer’s Taskforce promised a new deal for psychiatry, and there was a lot of pressure on them to deliver.

[...]

Finally, to help improve diagnostic reliability further, Spitzer’s team created criteria for each disorder that a patient had to meet in order to warrant the diagnosis. So while, for example, there are multiple symptoms associated with depression, it was somehow decided that a patient would need to have at least five of them for a period of at least two weeks to qualify for receiving the diagnosis of depression. The only problem was: on what grounds did Spitzer’s team decide that if you have five symptoms for two weeks you suffered from a depressive disorder? Why didn’t they choose six symptoms for three weeks or three symptoms for five weeks? What was the science that justified putting the line where Spitzer’s team chose to draw it? In an interview in 2010, the psychiatrist Daniel Carlat asked Spitzer this very question:

Carlat: How did you decide on five criteria as being your minimum threshold for depression?

Spitzer: It was just consensus. We would ask clinicians and researchers, ‘How many symptoms do you think patients ought to have before you would give them the diagnosis of depression?’, and we came up with the arbitrary number of five.

Carlat: But why did you choose five and not four? Or why didn’t you choose six?

Spitzer: Because four just seemed like not enough. And six seemed like too much [Spitzer smiles mischievously].

Carlat: But weren’t there any studies done to establish the threshold?

Spitzer: We did reviews of the literature, and in some cases we received funding from NIMH to do field trials … [However] when you do field trials in depression and other disorders, there is no sharp dividing line where you can confidently say, ‘This is the perfect number of symptoms needed to make a diagnosis’ … It would be nice if we had a biological gold standard, but that doesn’t exist, because we don’t understand the neurobiology of depression.


[...]

Once we had settled in our chairs, the first question I had for Spitzer concerned one of the other major changes he introduced into the DSM. What I didn’t mention in the last chapter is that while he created a new checklist system and sharpened the definitions for each disorder, he also introduced over 80 new disorders, effectively expanding the DSM from 182 disorders (DSM-II) to 265 (DSM-III). ‘So what’, I asked Spitzer, ‘was the rationale for this huge expansion?’

‘The disorders we included weren’t really new to the field’, answered Spitzer confidently. ‘They were mainly diagnoses that clinicians used in practice but which weren’t recognised by the DSM or the ICD. There were many examples: borderline personality disorder was one, and so was post-traumatic stress disorder. There were no categories for these disorders prior to DSM-III. So by including them we gave them professional recognition.’

‘So presumably’, I asked, ‘these disorders had been discovered in a biological sense? That’s why they were included, right?’

‘No – not at all’, Spitzer said matter-of-factly. ‘There are only a handful of mental disorders in the DSM known to have a clear biological cause. These are known as the organic disorders [things like epilepsy, Alzheimer’s and Huntington’s disease]. These are few and far between.’

‘So, let me get this clear’, I pressed, ‘there are no discovered biological causes for many of the remaining mental disorders in the DSM?’

‘It’s not for many, it’s for any! No biological markers have been identified.’

[...]

This verdict comes from one of the leading lights on Spitzer’s Taskforce, Dr Theodore Millon. Here’s what he said about the DSM’s construction:

There was very little systematic research, and much of the research that existed was really a hodgepodge – scattered, inconsistent, and ambiguous. I think the majority of us recognized that the amount of good, solid science upon which we were making our decisions was pretty modest.4

Once I’d read this quote to Spitzer, I asked him whether he agreed with Millon’s statement. After a short and somewhat uncomfortable silence, Spitzer responded in a way I didn’t expect:

‘Well, it’s true that for many of the disorders that were added, there wasn’t a tremendous amount of research, and certainly there wasn’t research on the particular way that we defined these disorders. In the case of Millon’s quote, I think he is mainly referring to the personality disorders … But again, it is certainly true that the amount of research validating data on most psychiatric disorders is very limited indeed.’

Trying not to look shocked, I continued: ‘So you’re saying that there was little research not only supporting your inclusion of new disorders, but also supporting how these disorders should be defined?’

‘There are very few disorders whose definition was a result of specific research data’, responded Spitzer. ‘For borderline personality disorder there was some research that looked at different ways of defining the disorder. And we chose the definition that seemed to be the most valid. But for the other categories rarely could you say that there was research literature supporting the definition’s validity.

[...]

Spitzer’s admission so surprised me that I decided to check it with other members of his Taskforce. So on a rainy English Monday I called Professor Donald Klein in his New York office to ask whether he agreed with Spitzer’s account of events. Klein had been a leader on the Taskforce, and so was at the heart of everything that went on.

‘Sure, we had very little in the way of data’, Klein confirmed through a crackling phone line, ‘so we were forced to rely on clinical consensus, which, admittedly, is a very poor way to do things. But it was better than anything else we had.’

‘So without data to guide you’, I nudged carefully, ‘how was this consensus reached?’

‘We thrashed it out, basically. We had a three-hour argument. There would be about twelve people sitting down at the table, usually there was a chairperson and there was somebody taking notes. And at the end of each meeting there would be a distribution of events. And at the next meeting some would agree with the inclusion, and the others would continue arguing. If people were still divided, the matter would be eventually decided by a vote.’

‘A vote, really?’ I asked, trying to conceal that I hardly felt reassured.

‘Sure, that is how it went.’

[...]

Garfinkel then gave me a concrete example of how far down the scale of intellectual respectability she felt those meetings could sometimes fall. ‘On one occasion I was sitting in on a Taskforce meeting, and there was a discussion about whether a particular behaviour should be classed as a symptom of a particular disorder. And as the conversation went on, to my great astonishment one Taskforce member suddenly piped up, “Oh no, no, we can’t include that behaviour as a symptom, because I do that!” And so it was decided that that behaviour would not be included because, presumably, if someone on the Taskforce does it, it must be perfectly normal.’

I don't think things have improved since then.
 
Not really. We had aspies. This is what bothers me a lot as of lately, merging Asperger's with ASD. Technically, yes, it's autism too, but I have a hunch that all the wrong people now benefit from that. Aspies are virtually weirdo normies who, despite having developmental disorders, grow up to be more or less functional.

Actual autistic individuals clearly need more support later in life. It just feels really dishonest to use "autistic" to refer to both a slightly weird, sometimes a little bit psychopathic/narcissitic kid who seems to hyperfocus on some stuff, and someone who literally shits themselves as an adult all the time because they can't properly process and recognize their bodily sensations or hyperfocus on some activity that they literally don't notice until it's too late.

Also, while data isn't conclusive, so take this with a grain of salt, aspies tend to be more intelligent that average population, while autists are usually below the average. All these "gifted kids" are usually aspies too, which might be a cause of that common "my child is special, they're not sick, just different" misconception. Aspies might be special and rather just different than disordered, to a degree. Autists are clearly suffering from a debilitating developmental disorder, however.

So again, I'm not sure if it was a good idea to merge all this into one broad "autistic spectrum".
My issue is then what about people inbetween? Who aren’t literally shitting themselves but also have genuine deep issues with integrating into society, and have only managed to cope via staying as far away from it as possible. The people who can take care of themselves, but barely. Who aren’t functional purely in the sense of “Haven’t killed themself or someone else yet”. What do we call them? I agree that the autism spectrum is a bit too broad, but I feel like “You’re practically neurotypical or you can’t even say your ABCs” is too narrow.

Aspies might technically be a thing but if they're able to grow up and be functioning, just quirky or a bit awkward then what is the point of a diagnosis? It just pathologizes something that can easily be handled by a slightly different approach to rearing. Which, even with completely normal kids you will have to change approaches for each individual anyway.
My entire point is that those sorts of things are stuff everyone has to be taught anyway. Yeah the minute details of facial expression and what not are probably picked up through natural trial and error easier if your a completely normal specimen and such but anyone with good manners and social graces is usually taught that by their parents and other good mentors. As for things like if you get overstimulated? Well, a lot of complete normies need to decompress and take breaks for things and have ways to deal with stress. Aspies issues with such may be a bit exaggerated (trait wise) but the biggest lie we've told awkward people is their problems are completely alien and special when they're not. They just need a bit more attention to paid to teaching them this stuff, that's all.
And there’s my issue, what about the aspies who are worse than that? What are they? Cause they’re too disordered to be aspies, but not disordered enough to be autistic. I’ve met aspies who just get freaked out when overstimulated, I’ve met some who will legit bang their heads against the wall when they’re overstimulated, some who will have complete meltdowns/panic attacks when overstimulated, some who will be unable to speak when overstimulated. I’ve met some who can learn these things, albeit be a bit awkward, and some who telling them to learn this is like teaching them a whole new language. So what’s that now?

Am I advocating for the spectrum? I dunno. I just disagree with this “aspie” theory cause it puts a wide range of symptoms into very restrictive boxes that can lead to BOTH victim blaming and lack of self-accountability. I agree that there’s plenty of people who don’t deserve the autism label, but there’s also plenty of people who don’t deserve the autism label OR the aspie label, cause they’re somewhere in between. I don’t know what to call that, “severe Aspergers” maybe?
 
My issue is then what about people inbetween? Who aren’t literally shitting themselves but also have genuine deep issues with integrating into society, and have only managed to cope via staying as far away from it as possible. The people who can take care of themselves, but barely. Who aren’t functional purely in the sense of “Haven’t killed themself or someone else yet”. What do we call them? I agree that the autism spectrum is a bit too broad, but I feel like “You’re practically neurotypical or you can’t even say your ABCs” is too narrow.
Yeah, I totally agree. Kind of reminds me that even when it comes to physical disorders, there's a problem of "borderline" conditions when you feel like absolute shit but you don't qualify for a disability or people treat you like a munchie. So you have to go on with your life instead of resting. And get complications that may put you into coffin, skipping the "disability" part straight to death.
 
Yeah, I totally agree. Kind of reminds me that even when it comes to physical disorders, there's a problem of "borderline" conditions when you feel like absolute shit but you don't qualify for a disability or people treat you like a munchie. So you have to go on with your life instead of resting. And get complications that may put you into coffin, skipping the "disability" part straight to death.
Thank you, took the words out of my mouth. My issue with these narrow boxes is now you have a whole subset of people who are legitimately disordered but they’re assumed to be “munchies” or “not trying hard enough” cause they’re not “bad enough” but also not good enough to fit into a much less extreme box. Fucking sucks, man. I feel like the spectrum mostly fixes this aside from munchies, but I feel like the solution is to crack down on munchies rather than crack down on the people who actually need help
 
I'm basically saying aspies shouldn't be a diagnoses anymore but clearly there is a spectrum. I mean if you ARE bashing your head against the wall or self-harming in any way due to a meltdown that's not quite high functioning enough to not get diagnosed though? The spectrum, such as it is, should be narrowed some. Just being a bit out of step doesn't get better by leaning into it though.

All that aside I don't even truly think a lot of trannies are even tistic of any sort it's just something to say because it sounds funny and their behavior outwardly does sometimes match up. I think a lot of them are just shut in malingerers and terminal gooners.
 
All that aside I don't even truly think a lot of trannies are even tistic of any sort it's just something to say because it sounds funny and their behavior outwardly does sometimes match up. I think a lot of them are just shut in malingerers and terminal gooners.
Perhaps we have a comparable schism on our hands. As fetishtroons are to people with lifelong mental issues that end up in hormone mad science (i.e., what we called transsexual people 30 years ago). There exists a cohort of people with sociopathic leanings, a sprinkle of megalomania, a dash of narcissism, and their antisocial rude cocktail comes off as Aspergers, but is in fact just garden variety being an asshole.
 
I'm basically saying aspies shouldn't be a diagnoses anymore but clearly there is a spectrum. I mean if you ARE bashing your head against the wall or self-harming in any way due to a meltdown that's not quite high functioning enough to not get diagnosed though? The spectrum, such as it is, should be narrowed some. Just being a bit out of step doesn't get better by leaning into it though.
I think your issue is you’re basing your definition of “Asperger’s” off of malingers you’ve seen. When truth be told, they just have neither. But that doesn’t mean we get to bring people who actually have these issues down with them. You say “If these traits can be managed to where they’re functional, just a bit awkward, then what’s the point of the diagnosis.”. I think malingers have tainted your definition of “functional”. Remember, functional just means “not a danger to one self”. It doesn’t mean thriving or even “doing good”, just “hasn’t run into traffic yet”. But malingers make Asperger’s functioning seem like it’s practically functioning like a normal human. The meltdowns I described are still considered “high functioning” cause high functioning dosent mean “doing good”, it means “not dead”.
 
I think your issue is you’re basing your definition of “Asperger’s” off of malingers you’ve seen. When truth be told, they just have neither. But that doesn’t mean we get to bring people who actually have these issues down with them. You say “If these traits can be managed to where they’re functional, just a bit awkward, then what’s the point of the diagnosis.”. I think malingers have tainted your definition of “functional”. Remember, functional just means “not a danger to one self”. It doesn’t mean thriving or even “doing good”, just “hasn’t run into traffic yet”. But malingers make Asperger’s functioning seem like it’s practically functioning like a normal human. The meltdowns I described are still considered “high functioning” cause high functioning dosent mean “doing good”, it means “not dead”.
I knew someone who was autistic that had to be institutionalized because he started to become violent with his parents and threatened his mother with a knife. Knew the people who worked with him in programs for tistics. Also know a lot of teachers who work special needs and paras. None of the aspies I ever came across or heard about through these programs displayed severe self-harming behavior during melt downs. Worst was minor scratching of themselves that didn't result in any bleeding, just redness.

You make it sound like aspies are all suicidal and that their issues do not have overlap with things that are a normal part of existing. I'm trying to get across that even though a lot of them have more trouble dealing with these things, just giving this cohort a bit of extra attention but not full blown turning it into some identity for them would help. Again, if they're really that bad, then they're not who I'm describing and would fit better into a classic autism diagnosis, just that the spectrum is too broad as it's used by a lot of people. I think that's probably why aspergers was collapsed into autism spectrum disorder but they are too lenient on shallow end.

Again, all this to say, most all trannies aren't legit autists just losers of their own accord.
 
You make it sound like aspies are all suicidal and that their issues do not have overlap with things that are a normal part of existing.
I’m not. My entire point is that they aren’t “all” this or “all” that. My point is you can’t fit people into neat tiny boxes.

I'm trying to get across that even though a lot of them have more trouble dealing with these things, just giving this cohort a bit of extra attention
That’s also what I’m trying to get at, not every aspie needs “ a bit” extra attention. Some need a lot but are still high functioning.

but not full blown turning it into some identity for them would help.
That helps everyone; autistic or aspie. Your problems aren’t your identity.

Again, if they're really that bad, then they're not who I'm describing and would fit better into a classic autism diagnosis
But they don’t because they’re not autistic. Again, you’re assuming that if they have any legitimate problems outside of “being weird” then they can’t be an aspie. Asperger’s isn’t just “being weird”. Some other aspie on this site describes it best, “I am NOT high functioning but I’m also no mute”.

just that the spectrum is too broad as it's used by a lot of people.
My problem with what you’re proposing is it’s significantly too narrow, like I said, it’s punishing the munchies by punishing the people who actually need help. It reminds me of when grade school teachers would go “Fine, since no one’s going to fess up who stole the marker, NO ONE gets recess”
 
This conversation prompted me to look up my graduating class's most notorious aspie to see if he had trooned out. Semi-surprisingly he has not. His Twitter bio mentions that he's Roman Catholic so that might have something to do with it, but it also mentions that he's a software engineer, so there's still a chance he could go the way of the chokers and striped knee-highs.

The notorious aspie of the graduating class before mine also has remained male, but he's Asian and his parents are immigrants and I don't think there's as much tolerance for that in those kinds of families.
 
I've never understood two transgender "women" being in a "lesbian" relationship together. I've actually seen this quite a bit.
Why do they do this? It seems to me these fellas are going pretty far out of their way to not say they're in a gay relationship.
 
I think your issue is you’re basing your definition of “Asperger’s” off of malingers you’ve seen. When truth be told, they just have neither. But that doesn’t mean we get to bring people who actually have these issues down with them. You say “If these traits can be managed to where they’re functional, just a bit awkward, then what’s the point of the diagnosis.”. I think malingers have tainted your definition of “functional”. Remember, functional just means “not a danger to one self”. It doesn’t mean thriving or even “doing good”, just “hasn’t run into traffic yet”. But malingers make Asperger’s functioning seem like it’s practically functioning like a normal human. The meltdowns I described are still considered “high functioning” cause high functioning dosent mean “doing good”, it means “not dead”.
No, many higher functional people with 'Asperger's diagnoses are not necessarily malingers and self-dxers. Many of them received the diagnosis as a child by being mildly inconvenient for their parents, and the diagnosis itself usually causes more problems than it helps (off worse socially because they would be warehoused with actual tards, identity confusion, etc.). I know of people who were diagnosed as kids because they were immigrants and had some language and adaptation issues, they acted out due to abusive home life, mild obsessive tendencies that eventually mellowed, etc. I genuinely think most contrarians want the Asperger's diagnosis to come back because while it's obvious that they are different from totally non-functional type of autists, they still want natural hierarchy, and they want these 'uncool' people to be untermensch. It's a bullshit label that doesn't help anyone most of the time but the psychiatrists, administrators, sped teachers and grifters to make more money.

You might argue that 'but they aren't really asperger's then!' - How do you even confirm that? the criteria is subjective and as long as they check the lists they'd be diagnosed. If you try really hard to fit minor odd things you do into the symptoms list you can be diagnosed
 
Have you ever seen a straight man into this type of music?
Somehow missed this when it was posted but in fact YES! I have! MANY SUCH CASES (especially lemon demon)
Granted all those cases were pre-2020 and it seems post 2020s we're int his fucked up timeline where people have really begun ramping up the interdimensional demons politics team homunculus skinsuiting people that used to have their own personality and memories of pre-2020 world" type behavior so milage may vary I guess!
 
Somehow missed this when it was posted but in fact YES! I have! MANY SUCH CASES (especially lemon demon)
Granted all those cases were pre-2020 and it seems post 2020s we're int his fucked up timeline where people have really begun ramping up the interdimensional demons politics team homunculus skinsuiting people that used to have their own personality and memories of pre-2020 world" type behavior so milage may vary I guess!
I hate 2020 and my every favourite thing I like trending on tik tok making annoying people be fan of it.

Especially if new fans are girls or pooners.
 
No, many higher functional people with 'Asperger's diagnoses are not necessarily malingers and self-dxers. Many of them received the diagnosis as a child by being mildly inconvenient for their parents, and the diagnosis itself usually causes more problems than it helps (off worse socially because they would be warehoused with actual tards, identity confusion, etc.). I know of people who were diagnosed as kids because they were immigrants and had some language and adaptation issues, they acted out due to abusive home life, mild obsessive tendencies that eventually mellowed, etc. I genuinely think most contrarians want the Asperger's diagnosis to come back because while it's obvious that they are different from totally non-functional type of autists, they still want natural hierarchy, and they want these 'uncool' people to be untermensch. It's a bullshit label that doesn't help anyone most of the time but the psychiatrists, administrators, sped teachers and grifters to make more money.
My mistake, I should’ve specified that plenty of people are diagnosed but aren’t really “faking”.

I should clarify, I’m not advocating for the Asperger’s label, but I’m also against the idea that Asperger’s “dosent exist” and its just “weird people”. My honest personal opinion is that the cleanest solution so far is the spectrum, and the solution to malingers is to work harder to call them out, rather than try to warp psychiatry around them.
I’m only finding out now I may be aspergic and I can say from personal account, my life was not helped by being told I’m “Just odd”. The isolation, confusion, and disdain from adults convinced I was purposefully being difficult really fucked me up. Being thrown in classes with people thinking on fundamentally different wavelengths than me and being mocked for being assumed to just be a dumbass really messed me up. Being told to just “use common sense” whenever genuinely confused really fucked with me. It’s only now as an adult I’m meeting people in a similar boat and feeling at home somewhere. I agree that the Asperger’s label is too much but I feel like acting like it dosent exist and can be unlearned is way too little. I went my entire childhood with people trying to “unlearn” it from me and promptly being screamed at for being unable to completely rewire my brain as if it’s just learning to not piss yourself. I’m personally down for just calling it “level one autism”. It’s on the spectrum but calling it “high functioning” is insulting imo cause it’s more so “barley functioning”.
You might argue that 'but they aren't really asperger's then!' - How do you even confirm that? the criteria is subjective and as long as they check the lists they'd be diagnosed. If you try really hard to fit minor odd things you do into the symptoms list you can be diagnosed
The way conditions are diagnosed are based on whether they significantly impact quality of life. Speaking from my experience in the psychiatry system, “odd traits” will rarely be diagnosed when you’re an adult and can advocate for yourself. It’s usually children who will have their parents come in and over exaggerate and they get slapped with a diagnosis. I’ve described symptoms to psychiatrists and never got a diagnosis because “Ya you fit the symptoms but they aren’t bothering you that much so”. Like I said, I think a lot of misdiagnosis are from parents projecting. Their kid may not be struggling, but they are, so when they describe the symptoms they present it as if the kid is struggling.
 
I was talking to my husband the other day about womanhood in general and we were discussing the different sorts of stages of a woman's life (girlhood, young adulthood, womanhood, matronhood, etc) and I realized that no matter how old a man is when he decides to troon out, he seems to only ever try to transition into a girl or a young woman. Overwhelmingly I see men who want to be little girls/early teens (the age when girls are considered precious and in need of coddling and protection) or late teens/20s women (the ages when women and girls are seen as most valuable/desirable). I can't think of any who have actually wanted to co-opt the sort of "matron" role that a woman in her 40s+ plays in a household or society.

Are there any trannies out there who actually try to troon into matrons in a way that isn't just in a fetishistic "mommy" sort of way?
 
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