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Besides, the point is Europeans still do it with prebagged salad, so if the concern was "muh superior health rules" how do you answer that?
I don't know why you're expecting me to defend this instance of a stupid thing when I've already criticised a different instance of a stupid thing.

Besides, bagged salad is the ultimate lazy convenience "solution" to getting greens. Anyone who buys it can suck down their chlorine-soaked, half-rotted bag of leaves and beg for more tomorrow for all I care.
 
This is part of the reason the NA makers discontinued sedans almost simultaneously (the other part is that the only interesting sedan any of them had made for years was the Charger Hellcat).
Sedans are a shape, not a size. An S-Class or 7-series is larger than most "SUVs" on the market. Sedans died out because they're less practical (lower ground clearance, lower ceilings, less storage space) with the only benefit for the average person (better fuel economy) being marginal thanks to modern engine/tire design and wind tunnel testing.
The Germans and Japanese still make sedans because they have large overseas markets where big vehicles don't sell as well, but they also have not problem selling in NA so it's not a lack of demand.
“SUVs”/hatchbacks are popular in Europe and pretty much every Kei car is a literal cube. Sedans just aren’t popular outside of the ultra-luxury segment.
A large part of that is also because CAFE regulations penalize MPG standards on sedans more than they do on trucks and SUVs. Even the Japanese, Korean and German automakers that still sell them had to step up hybridization in order to keep their sedans viable.
Most SUVs are not “light trucks” and are subject to the same fuel economy rules as cars.
 
Null's half shitposting poses a good point—Europeans don't understand American roadtripping. Now I've never been to Europe but traveling in a tiny Euro car on squiggly pre-WWII roads with nary a QuikTrip or Buc-ee's in sight doesn't sound fun.

My mother recently was in France and has told of some of the rather...inadequate...restroom facilities out there.
 
Sedans are a shape, not a size. An S-Class or 7-series is larger than most "SUVs" on the market. Sedans died out because they're less practical (lower ground clearance, lower ceilings, less storage space) with the only benefit for the average person (better fuel economy) being marginal thanks to modern engine/tire design and wind tunnel testing.

“SUVs”/hatchbacks are popular in Europe and pretty much every Kei car is a literal cube. Sedans just aren’t popular outside of the ultra-luxury segment.
I consider hatchbacks and wagons to be 'sedans' given that they're almost always based off an existing sedan platform. CUVs are basically lifted sedans (I agree with you about ground clearance). SUVs are tricky because some are based on a truck platform (4Runner) and some are an entirely independent thing (RAV4)
 
@FPTMIU, I bring horrible news. Jason has voted in your country's elections:
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The alt-text on the image is funny:
Photo of the large voting list (stembiljet) for a Dutch election, taken inside of a voting booth. This is not my photo, because I don't want some internet weirdo to analyse the reflections in the pixels to find out what neighbourhood I live in.

I wonder why he doesn't want his fans finding out what neighborhood he lives in...
 
Null's half shitposting poses a good point—Europeans don't understand American roadtripping. Now I've never been to Europe but traveling in a tiny Euro car on squiggly pre-WWII roads with nary a QuikTrip or Buc-ee's in sight doesn't sound fun.

My mother recently was in France and has told of some of the rather...inadequate...restroom facilities out there.
You'd be surprised, we have a pretty good highway system and the rest stops aren't bad at all.
Not to mention that at least some sections of highway in Germany have no speed limits. It's fun to go 125 mph and still get flashed when you dare to move to the left lane. People regularly go 160 mph in some sections, they paid for the speedometer, they're gonna use all of it.
 
You'd be surprised, we have a pretty good highway system and the rest stops aren't bad at all.
Not to mention that at least some sections of highway in Germany have no speed limits. It's fun to go 125 mph and still get flashed when you dare to move to the left lane. People regularly go 160 mph in some sections, they paid for the speedometer, they're gonna use all of it.
Okay but we can drive forever and stay in the same country. We can drive across the country and see endless beauty, manmade and God given. History unfolds before our eyes when we go from state to state.
 
Okay but we can drive forever and stay in the same country. We can drive across the country and see endless beauty, manmade and God given. History unfolds before our eyes when we go from state to state.
Same here, except that you cross borders every once in a while. I get your point though, a road trip across American is also on my bucket list.
 
@FPTMIU, I bring horrible news. Jason has voted in your country's elections:
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The alt-text on the image is funny:


I wonder why he doesn't want his fans finding out what neighborhood he lives in...
Ah fuck me, probably is one of the fucking gay nigger retards who voted for D66.

All I can be glad for this election is that FvD doubled their seats this time around. Hopefully that pattern will continue, they're the only party I actually like.
 
Okay but we can drive forever and stay in the same country. We can drive across the country and see endless beauty, manmade and God given. History unfolds before our eyes when we go from state to state.
Preach brother, Preach! One thing I hear Urbanists squawk about natural beauty yet never really see posts about them engaging with the countryside, wilderness or even state or national parks. Id say if you love the outdoors America is one of the best places on earth with sheer biodiversity and people that seem to vaguely give a shit about it.
 
You'd be surprised, we have a pretty good highway system and the rest stops aren't bad at all.
Not to mention that at least some sections of highway in Germany have no speed limits. It's fun to go 125 mph and still get flashed when you dare to move to the left lane. People regularly go 160 mph in some sections, they paid for the speedometer, they're gonna use all of it.
Not saying that they don't exist, the MAXI Autoholf GieBen looks pretty solid and has a real restaurant with real schnitzel (truck stop restaurants back in the day in the United States had chicken fried steak as a major option, which is a similar product). The question is, is the rest of Europe as consistent?
 
Not saying that they don't exist, the MAXI Autoholf GieBen looks pretty solid and has a real restaurant with real schnitzel (truck stop restaurants back in the day in the United States had chicken fried steak as a major option, which is a similar product). The question is, is the rest of Europe as consistent?
There are differences everywhere. Italy for example usually has the best coffee at rest stops, also since their fast highways have a toll you don't pay for the toilets. There are often restaurants on the bigger rest stops regardless of country. If not something independent, you can often find a chain like McDonalds or something like that. There is a whole TV show on Italian TV about truck rest stops and their restaurants, which are often amazing.
 
I consider hatchbacks and wagons to be 'sedans' given that they're almost always based off an existing sedan platform. CUVs are basically lifted sedans (I agree with you about ground clearance). SUVs are tricky because some are based on a truck platform (4Runner) and some are an entirely independent thing (RAV4)
I have to imagine people like Jason still think of "SUVs" as what they were 20-30 years ago, as basically the station wagon version of pickup trucks. That's really not an accurate view anymore. You still have a select few proper truck-based legacy SUVs like the Suburban, Expedition, and 4Runner, but the vast, vast majority of modern SUVs sold are just taller versions of sedans and hatchbacks. When I was growing up, and my hippie leftist aunt was criticizing SUVs as a concept, you just knew she was mentally inserting, like, a Hummer H2 or a GMC Yukon. That's just what people understood an SUV to be twenty years ago.

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A typical "SUV" nowadays is, more often than not, the one on the right, not the one on the left. When urbanist soycucks whinge about "increasing SUV sales", that's the shit they're unknowingly referring to. Obviously even a smaller crossover SUV is larger than the equivalent sedan, but the fuel economy and size differences are nowhere near as pronounced as they were twenty years ago. It's just the perception amongst leftists of every single SUV being a hulking, truck-based monolith that has lingered since the 2000s, even though the category is mostly dominated by smaller unibody crossover vehicles in Current Year.
 
I have to imagine people like Jason still think of "SUVs" as what they were 20-30 years ago, as basically the station wagon version of pickup trucks. That's really not an accurate view anymore. You still have a select few proper truck-based legacy SUVs like the Suburban, Expedition, and 4Runner, but the vast, vast majority of modern SUVs sold are just taller versions of sedans and hatchbacks. When I was growing up, and my hippie leftist aunt was criticizing SUVs as a concept, you just knew she was mentally inserting, like, a Hummer H2 or a GMC Yukon. That's just what people understood an SUV to be twenty years ago.

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A typical "SUV" nowadays is, more often than not, the one on the right, not the one on the left. When urbanist soycucks whinge about "increasing SUV sales", that's the shit they're unknowingly referring to. Obviously even a smaller crossover SUV is larger than the equivalent sedan, but the fuel economy and size differences are nowhere near as pronounced as they were twenty years ago. It's just the perception amongst leftists of every single SUV being a hulking, truck-based monolith that has lingered since the 2000s, even though the category is mostly dominated by smaller unibody crossover vehicles in Current Year.
I still hate those because they got the headlights so far up that they burn my eyes during the night.
 
Crossovers are ugly as sin and generally hate them with every fiber of my being given the trend towards them, but I can't deny how complete of a package you get compared to other types of vehicles.

Can people who advocate for public transportation why should people use it instead of all the options even the most "pavement princess" crossover doesn't have?

(On that note I've come to despise that term pavement princess as it's used to even for people who aren't using their trucks max capacity 24/7 and aren't dirty and beat to hell. Who honestly cares what others do with their vehicles aside from thinking it's stupid?)
 
(On that note I've come to despise that term pavement princess as it's used to even for people who aren't using their trucks max capacity 24/7 and aren't dirty and beat to hell. Who honestly cares what others do with their vehicles aside from thinking it's stupid?)
It's the same attitude urbanite leftists have toward private property in general. You don't actually need that truck because it's not being used to do work. You don't actually need that detached home on an acre lot because you could be living in a much smaller and more efficient space. You don't actually need the savings hoarded in your bank account because that money could be used for things they want for society. It's all about efficiency to them, and then they get mad when normal people just want to enjoy stuff.
 
I have to imagine people like Jason still think of "SUVs" as what they were 20-30 years ago, as basically the station wagon version of pickup trucks. That's really not an accurate view anymore. You still have a select few proper truck-based legacy SUVs like the Suburban, Expedition, and 4Runner, but the vast, vast majority of modern SUVs sold are just taller versions of sedans and hatchbacks. When I was growing up, and my hippie leftist aunt was criticizing SUVs as a concept, you just knew she was mentally inserting, like, a Hummer H2 or a GMC Yukon. That's just what people understood an SUV to be twenty years ago.

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A typical "SUV" nowadays is, more often than not, the one on the right, not the one on the left. When urbanist soycucks whinge about "increasing SUV sales", that's the shit they're unknowingly referring to. Obviously even a smaller crossover SUV is larger than the equivalent sedan, but the fuel economy and size differences are nowhere near as pronounced as they were twenty years ago. It's just the perception amongst leftists of every single SUV being a hulking, truck-based monolith that has lingered since the 2000s, even though the category is mostly dominated by smaller unibody crossover vehicles in Current Year.
The funny thing is I feel like colloquially I've heard more regular people just call crossovers their "car" more than "my SUV". Occasionally I've heard people call their Suburban "my truck", but never something like a Rav4 or Santa Fe.
 
It's the same attitude urbanite leftists have toward private property in general. You don't actually need that truck because it's not being used to do work. You don't actually need that detached home on an acre lot because you could be living in a much smaller and more efficient space. You don't actually need the savings hoarded in your bank account because that money could be used for things they want for society. It's all about efficiency to them, and then they get mad when normal people just want to enjoy stuff.
The efficiency argument is only used when it's convenient. They won't argue for a large truck unloading directly into a loading dock, for instance. Most of their "walkable" paradises usually have barely functional logistics.

There are differences everywhere. Italy for example usually has the best coffee at rest stops, also since their fast highways have a toll you don't pay for the toilets. There are often restaurants on the bigger rest stops regardless of country. If not something independent, you can often find a chain like McDonalds or something like that. There is a whole TV show on Italian TV about truck rest stops and their restaurants, which are often amazing.
In the United States, gas station and rest station restrooms are almost universally free. I say "almost universally" in the odd backwoods gas station and high-crime urban areas.

Why does this community hate Houston so much? Maybe it’s designed poorly, but I don’t know how else it was to be designed.
Two reasons I can think of: the meme Katy Freeway picture (distorted picture) and the downtown parking lots (old picture). Also NJB made a video of it once.

If I gave them more credit, I would also assume that it causes seething because it disproves their theory that zoning is why American cities aren't like European ones (Houston famously doesn't have zoning), but I don't give them that much credit.
 
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