Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Bogliacci]

I think an underappreciated aspect of the current circus is how Greee only mentioned the restraining order as some sort of intimidation ploy, and then doubled down on how he'd be happy to provide it. I wonder if he was trying to intimidate null into rolling over or making Hardin think the case was unwinnable because of how bad a guy null is that there's mention of a restraining order.

 

[Tiresome]

sing it with me if you know the words, these judges need reminding of the facts. Le sigh.

I think it's manifestly clear by now that these judges don't give a shit about facts.

 

[Watching Rekieta]

I disagree. The beauty of this filing is that it shows Greer expressly acknowledging his duty and in no uncertain terms saying that he has chosen to abandon it.

In a weird way, all of Greer's responses sound like he thinks he gets to play judge and arbiter while ignoring the actual judge's rulings. He routinely makes determinations regarding relevance, discovery and rules. He ignores the judge when told what is relevant. Any judicial ruling that disagrees with his thought is inconceivable so when he does read it, he is surprised and late.

If he read this KF thread he'd have been timely aware of all filings as well as perspectives on strength of argument and clear errors. But he doesn't. Another factual opposition claiming he is injured by the farms comments but clearly doesn't read them.

I think an underappreciated aspect of the current circus is how Greee only mentioned the restraining order as some sort of intimidation ploy, and then doubled down on how he'd be happy to provide it. I wonder if he was trying to intimidate null into rolling over or making Hardin think the case was unwinnable because of hwo bad a guy null is that there's mention of a restraining order.

Restraining orders are served. Null would have it if he completed the process. I think it's clear that no restraining order exists and Greee lied to the court about it. There is no court record and he doesn't have a copy. Anyone with a restraining order would have a copy to show the cops. Greee wanted to say he's been dealing with this for years but is just lying and his lie is being exposed. His next lie will be to say the record is archived and is no longer available.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Shit on DEI all day long (I do), but over the last decade my observation is that the judges who best deal with chancers like Russ are black women. Shit like this just does not fly with them. They see through it and they’re not having it. I’ve even seen this reflected in the appellate court in NY (which famously seated its first all-woman, all-black panel last year).

Just my experience after being tangentially connected to a decade-long legal battle with one Greer-like pro se litigant who only started getting put in her place when the old guy judge retired and a black woman took his place.

I hope Null doesn’t get discouraged. It really is a marathon with legal situations like this.

 

[obsdj]

I think it's clear that no restraining order exists and Greee lied to the court about it. There is no court record

There is a court record of Greer attempting to get a restraining order on Josh at the stated time in Utah. We know this to be a fact. We even have the case number. But the case is private, so we can't just pull up the documents on our own. It's Greer's case, and he and he alone can access it.

 

[The Dude]

The judges must do the needful and make Russ do the sneedful. It must be done.

@obsdj but it's $80! How can you expect Russ to cough up such an extreme amount of money for an irrelevant thing like that? Never mind that it was Russhole himself who entered it's supposed existence into the record thinking it would help his case and implied that he already had a copy of it. Now it's irrelevant, because Russhole says so despite having been ordered by the court to supply it, and he doesn't want to pay to get it!

 

[DavidS877]

Shit on DEI all day long (I do), but over the last decade my observation is that the judges who best deal with chancers like Russ are black women. Shit like this just does not fly with them. They see through it and they’re not having it. I’ve even seen this reflected in the appellate court in NY (which famously seated its first all-woman, all-black panel last year).

You might be curious about the judge in N.D. California who declared Stabby(David Stebbins) a vexatious litigant.
The Honorable Trina L. Thompson.

Yea, she was having none of that.

 

[DHugo]

You might be curious about the judge in N.D. California who declared Stabby(David Stebbins) a vexatious litigant.
The Honorable Trina L. Thompson.
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Yea, she was having none of that.

Person stomping on Stabby -> Black
Person gently caressing Greer -> White
Racism is over, chuds.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

In defense of ChatGPT, if you use it well enough (and more importantly, if you are in the right) it can give you good legal information and evaluate documents
Managed to come out on top in a legal situation today, so I can vouch for it (if you are competent and the law is on your side)

 

[Greasy Goblin]

Person stomping on Stabby -> Black
Person gently caressing Greer -> White
Racism is over, chuds.

"I'm sick of America being full of dumb niggers"
"The law needs to crack down on these niggers"
"I'm the nigger of the Internet"
"Why are the courts treating me so poorly?"

You all aren't ready for the fact that this case is the end result of null wishing upon a monkey's paw for a nigger solution

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

It will never not amuse/entertain me to see giant quote pyramids in legal filings.

 

[AnOminous]

Each state has different rules on whether or not motion to proceed IFP is sealed (in whole or in part). Utah automatically seals them. Georgia, West Virginia, Cali, for example, do not.

It is not a constitutional violation. Null is allowed to see the important thing, mainly the complaint.

Sealed doesn't mean the parties can't see it. It just means it can't be revealed to the public. In the case of an IFP petition, it's often sealed because it includes sensitive financial information. Sealing just makes it an act of contempt of court (possibly criminal) to reveal it to the public. Even in the unusual case of even a party not being allowed to see a sealed filing (such as national security or trade secrets or things like that), generally counsel is allowed to see it when it is relevant, such as when a party is challenging the IFP status.

 

[Watching Rekieta]

There is a court record of Greer attempting to get a restraining order on Josh at the stated time in Utah. We know this to be a fact. We even have the case number. But the case is private, so we can't just pull up the documents on our own. It's Greer's case, and he and he alone can access it.

I'm not up to speed then. I thought Greer claimed he has a restraining order. Does he have an order or did he just petition the court? If he received an order would it remain private until it is served? It seems like the process was never completed as Greer would simply say it was served and Null has a copy if he completed it.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Restraining orders are served. Null would have it if he completed the process. I think it's clear that no restraining order exists and Greee lied to the court about it. There is no court record and he doesn't have a copy. Anyone with a restraining order would have a copy to show the cops. Greee wanted to say he's been dealing with this for years but is just lying and his lie is being exposed. His next lie will be to say the record is archived and is no longer available.

Greer applied for a restraining order Ex Parte. The Judge immediately tossed it as submitted. And indicated for what Greer wanted he would need to serve the other party. Ex Parte restraining order applications in Utah are default sealed, as they typically involve things such as Domestic Violence.

the result of this is only Greer can request the documents. Hardin has confirmed that yes there is a case file. But nobody except Greer can request it.

Keep in mind shitlips should already have a copy of it. Because he filed it. But he seemingly does not keep records of any of his ever so many vexatious court actions. If I remember correctly Greer could simply login to the Utah Court system and download the docs, but he lost his login and is too stupid to do whatever is needed to retrieve it. It is also possible that for a case with no action or activity it is not available online anymore.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

With Greer's recalcitrance to do anything ordered, and his declaration that no amount of monetary penalties will get him to behave himself, the only realistic option left open to the judge is to dismiss the case with prejudice and label Greeee as a vexatious litigant. He should also shift all of defendants costs regarding this litigation to the plaintiff as a punishment. Of course, while I'm at it I might as well ask for a pony and a blowjob (and not from the pony, or anyone involved in the case, you sick fucks!).

The fact that this case continues to shamble along only serves as proof of how incredibly broken the American judicial system really is.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I'm not up to speed then. I thought Greer claimed he has a restraining order. Does he have an order or did he just petition the court? If he received an order would it remain private until it is served? It seems like the process was never completed as Greer would simply say it was served and Null has a copy if he completed it.

There is no restraining order because his petition was denied.

 

[obsdj]

There is no restraining order because his petition was denied.

Yup. Nevertheless, Greer was ordered to produce what he filed against Null.


A long fucking time ago.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Yup. Nevertheless, Greer was ordered to produce what he filed against Null.
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A long fucking time ago.

Yes, but the Judge wasn't aware that the clerk wasn't Greer's slave, and also that it could cost up to $80, so it really is the Judge's fault

 

[ScooterL]

hire a proofreader dammit

I doubt that passes cost/benefit analysis. I'd say it's better to have a few typos the court will overlook than to jack up costs for the defendant by hiring a proofreader.

I thought Greer claimed he has a restraining order.

He claims a lot of things. He a habitual liar.

 

[Emanems]

Imagine back in 2020 when all of this started thinking Greer would have access to LLM derived technology capable of just plightsperging for him, that such technology would be in the hands of any other in forma pauperis bum as well as the average Joe.

Man does time fly.